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Title: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: Jonius7 on April 05, 2012, 08:22:44 pm
Fellow Omnimaga Members,

After a discussion with DJ_O, he and I (Jonius7) have come to the conclusion that something must be done about the general decrease in activity on Omnimaga.

For those of you that need a little background info (DJ_O may be able to provide some more), Omnimaga reached a peak of around 400-500 posts per day in October - November 2010. This was mainly due to a surge of interest in the TI-nspire with significant ndless and nDoom and other TI-nspire hacking tools releases, though at this time z80 projects were also thriving too. However over the course of 2011 interest in the TI-nspire began to die out in general, and also combined with DJ_O's retirement from manager, several active members leaving Omnimaga or becoming inactive have lead to this gradual decrease in posting activity. Even with the opening up of the Lua programming environment on the TI-nspire, projects and forum activity in Lua are not as widespread as they could be.

In February - March 2012, Omnimaga is barely attaining an average of around 150-200 posts a day.
The stats graph illustrates this trend: http://www.omnimaga.org/statsgraph.php

Even activity on OmnomIRC is enough to show a general decrease in activity. The time period between 3am and 9am (IIRC in UTC-5) is often quiet, and even sometimes in some peak hours activity is low.


So I guess we need to collectively form a plan to tackle this. The big problem is that while we have more members joining than ever before (the rate of registration is exponential like), many of these members have only posted minimially or not at all and have left, leaving the older members to hold up most of the website activity. And when even some of the older members have become inactive, including some staff, there doesn't leave that much left of who remains.

What could we do to bring these inactive members back? What incentive would work? And how would we entice new members to stay and bring some new young blood to omnimaga?
Programming contests are one thing, however DJ_O and I have both agreed more action is required.

I leave these questions with the Omnimaga community. If anything is incorrect, feel free to correct. :D

Regards,

Jonius7 and DJ_O

Spoiler For PS:
DJ_O also wanted to point out that in the Programming Contests last year in 2011, there was very little activity in the TI-nspire Lua contest, with many entrants remaining inactive on the forums until the submission date. From what I have heard, precautions will be taken this year to ensure that this does not happen again.

Spoiler For Log of Conversation with DJ_O:
For those who want a clearer picture of the situation, read the logs here:

[02:57:28] <+Jonius7> activity has decreased or something. It does seem quiet even at times when it's meant to be busy
[02:57:44] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> yeah D:
[02:58:00] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> especially during morning from 4 to 11 AM it used to be quite active
[02:58:40] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> I think the Nspire community started to die, as someone else mentionned recently to me, like if no more Nspire projects were being worked on except for a few
[02:58:49] <+Jonius7> true
[02:58:50] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> kinda like if everyone decided to abandon the fight against TI
[02:59:05] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> because if you notice, there are still a bunch of z80 projects in the works
[02:59:06] <+Jonius7> there are lots of Basic programs I could port to Lua
[02:59:16] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> but barely any Nspire ones, even Lua
[02:59:20] <+Jonius7> Yeah
[03:00:56] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> and Prizm... well... most of the development moved to Cemetech (dunno if it was another round of mass-invite via PM like 2 years ago or just most of our prizm coders having moved on like z80man), although there are some topics here too from time to time
[03:01:08] <+Jonius7> Hmm
[03:01:11] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> even there it's quiet regarding prizm
[03:01:20] <+Jonius7> wow
[03:01:27] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> it's Casio, after all
[03:01:42] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> since ti got the monopoly casio calcs usually have much less coders
[03:01:57] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> But the sucky thing is how the Nspire scene seems to be dying like the 68K one
[03:02:12] <+Jonius7> I hope not
[03:02:23] <+Jonius7> there were lots of those boot2 and other tools released a week ago
[03:02:26] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> that would pretty much leave us only 83+ expertise for the most part
[03:02:27] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> yeah
[03:02:34] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> well there was Ndless, nDoom, etc
[03:02:44] <+Jonius7> Those are big ones
[03:02:52] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> but then nobody made custom programs like RPGs or arcade games
[03:02:55] <+Jonius7> but it's true there hasn't been that much other games and dev stuff
[03:03:01] <+Jonius7> Yeah
[03:03:14] <+Jonius7> and the nspire has so much potential now
[03:03:19] <+Jonius7> hope it picks up
[03:03:20] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> ndless probably had a novelty effect that weared off over time as newcomers didnt see any new stuff
[03:03:29] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> what we need I think is another contest
[03:03:32] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> but this time
[03:03:34] <+Jonius7> yeah
[03:03:42] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> to avoid last year's activity drop
[03:03:54] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> force every contestant to post about their entry on the forums
[03:04:12] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> last year only like 2 contestant did, the others worked behind the scenes, leaving the site for months
[03:04:13] <+Jonius7> Good idea, but "force" isn't the best word :P
[03:04:23] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> well i mean like last year on cemetech
[03:04:36] <+Jonius7> Ah Ok
[03:04:38] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> if someone wants to submit an entry he had to create a topic announcing it there
[03:04:58] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> this was most likely to prevent lurkers from participating
[03:05:17] <+Jonius7> I thought most people did post something and there was that list of entrants
[03:05:42] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> not really for the nspire iirc
[03:06:19] <+Jonius7> o
[03:06:24] <+Jonius7> disappointing
[03:07:26] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> anyway i have to go to bed. What you or me could do if we have time is post a topic in site feedback regarding the dropping activity and what we could do to bring the people back, why has most people became quiet including some staff and what could attract
[03:07:28] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> more ppl back
[03:07:58] <+Jonius7> Yeah.
[03:08:03] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> but again if nobody bothers to reply then that would mean nobody cares if the site becomes inactive
[03:08:13] <+Jonius7> waaaaa lots of unreplied topics
[03:08:15] <+Jonius7> Yeah
[03:08:16] <+Jonius7> OK
[03:08:21] <+Jonius7> cya DJ_O
[03:08:27] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> i guess a title like "Why has Omni activity dropped so much"
[03:08:35] <+Jonius7> nobody cares if the site becomes inactive
[03:08:38] <+Jonius7> NOOOOOOO
[03:08:39] <+Jonius7> I care
[03:08:59] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> well i mean if such topic gets posted and nobody bothers replying
[03:09:34] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> we kinda need ideas on how to bring the ppl back, bring new ones back and stuff (not just contests)
[03:09:38] <+Jonius7> Hmm
[03:10:02] <+Jonius7> Admittedly I don't see the managers around that often. BUt that's my perspective
[03:10:35] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> I mean if the removal of negative rating is what made ppl leave silently, or if it's due to the projects section split into categories, the bunch of inactive staff, or me not being admin anymore (I hope not lol)
[03:10:53] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> and it's best the ppl speak their mind so we know what happened
[03:10:58] <+Jonius7> "or me not being admin anymore (I hope not lol)"
[03:10:59] <+Jonius7> I think that does make a difference
[03:11:06] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> that could maybe be the case
[03:11:06] <+Jonius7> Yeah
[03:11:12] <+Jonius7> sigh
[03:11:30] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> but would the managers (besides deep thought) be willing or be able to be more active?
[03:11:42] <+Jonius7> Deep Thought is alright I think
[03:11:46] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> yeah
[03:11:52] <+Jonius7> I don't see EEems much tho
[03:11:53] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> same for qwerty and to a lesser extent shmibs
[03:12:07] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> (shmibs has sudden periods of inactivity sometimes tho)
[03:12:21] <+Jonius7> I've seen Qwerty but not really shmibs, yes
[03:12:29] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> and in my case i doubt i would get hired back considering how unstable I am (and my uncertain stability in short terms)
[03:12:35] <+Jonius7> hmm
[03:12:57] <+Jonius7> I have a feeling that ARS should have some role somewhere
[03:13:00] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> and idk if i would want to take over the job again (although I guess if netham45 is the leader that could help)
[03:13:10] <+Jonius7> in between Managers and CoT
[03:13:14] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> maybe
[03:13:21] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> well they do but mostly moderating
[03:13:28] <+Jonius7> Yeah
[03:13:38] <+Jonius7> Though I do'nt know
[03:14:17] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> ARS technically only started to exist because of the nDoom troll invasion tho
[03:14:38] <+Jonius7> yes
[03:14:47] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> otherwise it would probably not even exist
[03:14:53] <+Jonius7> but they are the moderators level type thing
[03:14:56] <+Jonius7> So Hmm
[03:15:06] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> of course a bunch of our activity decrease was probably due to the many bans of active users tho
[03:15:22] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> Ashbad ans SirCmpwn had a quite high activity rate until their final months
[03:15:44] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> Also maybe the site got blocked at more schools so that won't help x.x
[03:15:46] <+Jonius7> sad to see those two go
[03:15:59] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> but staff had to enforce rules so...
[03:16:13] <+Jonius7> they're both on cemetech right?
[03:16:16] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> yeah
[03:16:19] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> er not sir
[03:16:25] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> he's banned there too
[03:16:27] <+Jonius7> o
[03:16:39] <+Jonius7> Yeah I've seen ashbad there.
[03:16:41] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> anyway if you want I guess you can create a topic about the 3 things I mentionned earlier or something
[03:17:01] <+Jonius7> Ok. I'll do that for Omnimaga :D
[03:17:23] <+Jonius7> I just hope it doesn't add to the list of topics where you and I are the active posters
[03:17:29] <+Jonius7> and Yeong a bit
[03:17:57] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> why the site activity dropped so much (like from 400 posts a day to barely 150), why the formerly active users and staff rarely post anymore, what could bring them back and what could help bringing more members again to get some young blood
[03:18:32] <+Jonius7> Ok
[03:18:45] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> there's the how to improve omni topic but it only emphasises on site suggestions, not the activity and stuff
[03:19:07] <+Jonius7> I agree a new topic has to be created for this
[03:19:19] <+Jonius7> Like those news topics with the change in activity and other things
[03:19:20] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> heck maybe it's because of Netbot always breaking
[03:20:17] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> the issue is not when people leave due to moving on after a year or two of calc programming, then new ones coming. It's more when a shitload of people, even younger users, leave, then barely anyone remains from the ones who arrived
[03:20:49] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> cya now
[03:20:50] <+Jonius7> Oh about the ARS I was trying to say. I don't really know half of them such as rcfreak0 and Tribal
[03:20:54] <+Jonius7> Yeah
[03:21:01] <+Jonius7> Sorry for holding you up on sleep
[03:21:06] <+Jonius7> Good night :D
[03:21:10] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> it's fine
[03:21:21] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> plus i wanted Omni to be independent from my lack of activity
[03:21:31] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> i mean i stayed around the community for 11 years
[03:21:41] <+Jonius7> Yes :)
[03:22:01] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> in 2006-07 as soon as I left Omni it would immediately drop by 60% activity
[03:22:14] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> then slowly die until i return
[03:22:46] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> now even when I left it still remained somewhat active at the same level as before, but afterward I discovered it kinda dropped slowly
[03:23:13] <+Jonius7> Wow tribal hasn't posted since October
[03:23:25] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> not sure if it's due to me not being as around or not but that would suck if I was "doomed" to stay active like I used to be to keep omni active
[03:24:09] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> especially considering at one point my health was preventing me to do so (and still does sometimes)
[03:25:12] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> I wonder if there's a way for admins to grant full admin privileges to a member except for anything involving moderation (except moving topics) and banning members
[03:25:17] <+Jonius7> tricky situation in general I guess
[03:25:32] <+Jonius7> so what rights would that leave?
[03:25:48] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> that would probably be the only safe way to let me back in the team, if that was ever needed to save the site or something
[03:26:01] <+Jonius7> Hmm
[03:26:16] <+Jonius7> You are the founder, I guess you deserve something like that
[03:26:26] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> rights to edit EzPortal blocks, the about page, adding new subforums, removing dead ones
[03:27:11] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> i gave away the site tho so the new owners have every right to do what they want with it, including not ever hiring me again (i guess they would have a point tho, considering I blew up often before)
[03:27:22] <+Jonius7> So the general site template and pages but not getting "dirty" in all the forum post management stuff.
[03:27:44] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> yeah, plus I got sick of the moderating. It'sjust not my task
[03:27:57] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> i mean it was not a task for me
[03:28:06] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> i rather leave that to others
[03:28:11] <+Jonius7> I know
[03:28:30] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> anyway gonna let you post the topic I guess unless i manage to have time tomorrow and you didnd
[03:28:42] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> i might have to go shop for food before working during evening tho
[03:28:51] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> good night
[03:29:23] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> and the site stats btw http://www.omnimaga.org/statsgraph.php (scroll right, if necessary, since the graph doesn't fit the page)
[03:29:51] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> the peak spike in the 700s was a month after you joined, I believe
[03:30:14] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> the last 500 post days were around oct 2011 (a year afterward)
[03:31:35] <+OmnomIRC> (O)<DJ_O> i really should post about that life topic one day (I was supposed to do so last may but it took too long to write), although part of the issues (IRL) were solved a year ago
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Yeong on April 05, 2012, 08:27:15 pm
Well, in my opinion, TI-nSpire's programming couldn't get much because they're not that simple to program with. (Lua needs computer, and so does C.)
If someone comes up with programming language on-calc for nspire, it could bring more people (Just like how Axe did)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Jonius7 on April 05, 2012, 08:29:23 pm
Well, in my opinion, TI-nSpire's programming couldn't get much because they're not that simple to program with. (Lua needs computer, and so does C.)
If someone comes up with programming language on-calc for nspire, it could bring more people (Just like how Axe did)
True, this may change with being able to edit the lua script inside the tns file in OS 3.2
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Yeong on April 05, 2012, 08:30:01 pm
OS 3.2 can do that? O.o
I never heard anything about that.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Juju on April 05, 2012, 08:30:07 pm
I totally agree with Yeong here. A Lua on-calc editor or something? Or even gcc? EDIT: ninja'd

Also we should come up with cool awesome prizes for the contest.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Jonius7 on April 05, 2012, 08:32:51 pm
I think so. Apparently it will come with the LuaSDK, but I may have got things completely wrong.
oclua can already edit on calc in an indirect way.
Also made minor edits to my post.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Yeong on April 05, 2012, 08:37:40 pm
I know this is kinda asking too much to certain people, but since both Prizm and nSpire uses C (Well, for nspire, with ndless), if somebody comes up with the new programming language that can be used in both prizm and nspire(well, kinda differentiating the screen size.), it'll be nice. (idk if it's possible though, lol)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Darl181 on April 05, 2012, 08:38:04 pm
If someone comes up with programming language on-calc for nspire, it could bring more people (Just like how Axe did)
Or the Prizm :D

But anyways, what seems to boost stuff the most IMHO are projects, that are often updated.  So keep 'em coming ;)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 05, 2012, 09:31:47 pm
There are a few ideas that I think that could help bringing back the site to its previous activity rate (or close):

-More active CoT staff and admins. The team activity often have big influence on member's activity and encouragement to sign up. I speak from experience, after seeing MaxCoderz and Void Productions die (barely any regular would bother visiting anymore), and Revsoft barely surviving over the years. That staff activity, if they are too busy to work on projects, can simply be encouraging other member's projects, by replying to their threads. That doesn't have to be extreme, such as Darl/Qwerty's insane post rate, but they should not just try to barely make it to the 10 post minimum every month, else members might think they just don't care enough.

-Focus more on the forums than OmnomIRC to ask help when it's not that urgent. Not only this provides more discussion to the hundreds of people that have OmnomIRC disabled/minimized, but also that discussion won't get lost in myriads of logs. We got help sections for a reason, after all.

-Don't worry bumping a 3-5 weeks old project topic if you want to comment on an update or release that you didn't have time to comment to. Heck, if the member was procastinating, maybe that could give him a small regain in interest to finish the game faster if he get extra encouragement?

-For next programming contest, do like Cemetech and force participants to make a topic about their entry when it reaches a presentable state (code done) in order to not be rejected. That will prevent people from just disappearing for 3 months while working on their entry. Last Summer, I think only 2 or 3 Nspire entries even had a topic and almost every Nspire coder on omnimaga vanished entirely during that time.

-An actual contest to begin with, but it might be best to wait for when Summer arrives, such as June, because there are too many contests lately and it prevents every other projects from progressing. I actually thought about taking over the entire contest management (except judging), if the staff do not mind. As for money issues, my entire TotKotM album sales are going for the contest, along with an extra personal contribution. However, until we know what happens with the Phoenix Coyotes NHL team, I do not know exactly how much I can contribute (it will be at least enough for 3 prizes, though).

-It seems many Nspire coders abandonned the fight against TI, and Ndless 3.1 did not create as much interest as 2.0 did. Don't give up! You know some people still code for 68K and AFX calcs, right? Also if you are really afraid of the Nspire being blocked permanently, maybe it would be a good idea to try doing what Reo did with his RPG: Make it for both the PRIZM and Nspire at once? Maybe Reo could share how he works on a C game on both the PRIZM and Nspire at once.

-The community has received fierce competition from smartphones, handhelds, Minecraft, other online games and such stuff since the past few years, which forced us and some other calc sites to branch out. If somehow you're on a calculator break at one point, remember we still got plenty of non-calc discussion areas, such as gaming, where you can also share your latest interests.

By the way what I noticed is that most of the activity decrease seems to have been in the Nspire scene. PRIZM saw a small regain in activity, but not that much. 83+ programming seems steady. Besides that, we have to take in account that two of our most active users got banned last Summer, so that possibly affected our activity a lot. Besides that our spam section is now limited to 500 post users so that's a lot less posts there (although that's a good thing I guess that people do not overuse it). I got less active too so that might have gotten an effect too. I just wonder what happened to some of the formerly active members and staff that are hardly around anymore (a bunch just vanished without saying why).

But yeah I agree something has to be done (by contributing to the forums like we used to, while not neglecting development/life either), because if we ever had another community-wide lull like in 2008, remember how hard it was to recover from it afterward: It took us 1.5 years to do so, and I pretty much had to reply to almost everything during that entire time to allow the site to grow again. Basically at the moment we still got a quite decent amount of activity, so it's a good opportunity to keep the site afloat in case of an inevitable lull. (From experience the community goes through up and downs every 6 year or so)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Juju on April 05, 2012, 09:46:42 pm
^^ This exactly.

Also I might contribute as well for the prizes, since I'm now 8x richer than usual.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Xeda112358 on April 05, 2012, 09:49:40 pm
I have lots of times throughout the year where I do not have internet (about 21 weeks per year, so about 5 months), so certain times I am not as active :/ Though when I am active, I try to maintain a 5.0 or better posting average :)

And DJ_O has good advice, I think, for keeping activity up. For example, right now I have tons of IRL stress, so I cannot really work on projects. However, I try to keep up a few posts every day and I check in here often. Plus, if there are answers that I can provide, it makes me feel good :)

In any event, Omni is still pretty active, right?

EDIT: @Juju: So you have an extra TI-8x to spare for a contest? :D/me runs
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 05, 2012, 09:54:43 pm
Not only he brags about his much higher salary to his mom and me IRL, but now he shoves it in our face on the forums too. <_<

But yeah I had plans to contribute. However to ensure this goes well and reduce risks of incidents like last Summer due to community drama, I might be leaving every other non-Omni calc site during the entire duration of the contest. And yeah for now I know I can contribute roughly for the equivalent of 3 prizes, but I have a shitload of money saved for hockey tickets just in case next Fall, so depending of how the Nordiques thing goes, that portion might not be useable for Omnimaga donations.
I have tons of IRL stress

Qwerty.55 is stalking you again?? O.O

Seriously I hope things are not going too tough x.x
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Juju on April 05, 2012, 09:58:29 pm
EDIT: @Juju: So you have an extra TI-8x to spare for a contest? :D/me runs
I didn't even thought of that pun lol.
Not only he brags about his much higher salary to his mom and me IRL, but now he shoves it in our face on the forums too. <_<
hehehe >:D

Also go Nordiques \o/
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 05, 2012, 10:02:04 pm
On a side note maybe that would be a good occasion to revive the "What have you been up to" thread, for the more busy people. Hopefully they tell where they have been and stuff.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: shmibs on April 05, 2012, 10:03:49 pm
-encouraging more staff activity is always a good thing =)

-both irc and the forums have uses when it comes to helping people. irc is useful for both little questions and communication between developers, and the forum is good for complex questions, community-wide pole type things, or just general showcases.

-we can encourage people to post, sure (and i, for one, would like to hear more from people talking about their entries), but enforcing it seems a bit silly for contests. anyways, entrants announced/winners announced posts will provide places for discussing them at the very least. also, making people post before they've finished encourages them getting help from others.

-plans for the next contest are already being talked about =)

-i don't know much about nspire stuff, so can't really comment here, but some sort of guide to writing cross-platform C would be awesome =D

-we can't really force people to post. seeing more activity in other subforums would be nice, though.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 05, 2012, 10:09:09 pm
Well for the contest, I was just refering to last year's Nspire portion of Omni contest. Almost nobody even bothered to announce their entry, not even when it got finished. It sucked because it seemed like nobody was participating and the Nspire community was almost dead. Enforcing it would at least encourage activity instead of leeching/lurking. As for help usually it was allowed, as long as the author doesn't post a single line of code, right?

On a side note I really hope LuaFX will have some similarities with Nspire Lua, so that porting Nspire games to the PRIZM or vice-versa is easier.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: cyanophycean314 on April 05, 2012, 10:09:50 pm
-More contests. I want another Lua Contest! That will probably get inspiration/motivation going. I haven't really developed any new projects. But waiting until summer sounds good.

-Recruiting. There are some interesting coders out there who are posting programs for the Nspire Lua. Karl Noss has created Snake, a paint program, and pong. Recently Doodle Jump was also released. It is 12th most downloaded file in past 7 days! Maybe we could invite them to join Omnimaga and we would both benefit.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Juju on April 05, 2012, 10:11:57 pm
Hm, ironically this thread became pretty active. We need more of those threads!
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 05, 2012, 10:12:02 pm
Yeah I agree the team could use some renewal. Probably not ARS because that group was mostly created during the heat of the nDoom /i/nvasion, but the last coder of tomorrow that got added was back in Feb 2011 (Shmibs) and there used to be new ones replacing inactive staff every 6 month or so.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Xeda112358 on April 05, 2012, 10:13:33 pm
Qwerty.55 is stalking you again?? O.O

Seriously I hope things are not going too tough x.x
I have to locate housing and allocate money for that, I have finals, a math conference, competition, grades (I did very poorly last year so I am trying to get my scholarships/grants back), applying for jobs and internships and doing interviews x.x
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 05, 2012, 10:15:54 pm
Oh right, that stuff. X.x. I hope your grades are going better atm too. Btw any luck finding a decent appartment at a decent price? Your profile says "NY" which scares me, because I heard about appartment prices there and...
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Juju on April 05, 2012, 10:17:15 pm
Well, I got demoted to CoT, dunno if that counts...
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 05, 2012, 10:19:33 pm
wait, there hasn't been another COT hiring since me?

and good luck with school stuff, xeda!/me is doing all those things as well, aside from a conference, because he's not a math djinn
Well to be honest site management has been going much slower-paced since I retired X.x. And Juju I meant the addition of new CoT's. Actually the last hiring run was supposed to be around July 2011 and included computer coders, but then it never happened.

At least the admin team seems pretty well setup for now though. Just needs some extra work on abandonned site sections such as the front page navigation <_< (eg: Elmgon is still listed as staff project, even if Ztrumpet retired months ago)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Geekboy1011 on April 05, 2012, 10:20:28 pm
Well for the contest, I was just refering to last year's Nspire portion of Omni contest. Almost nobody even bothered to announce their entry, not even when it got finished. It sucked because it seemed like nobody was participating and the Nspire community was almost dead. Enforcing it would at least encourage activity instead of leeching/lurking. As for help usually it was allowed, as long as the author doesn't post a single line of code, right?

On a side note I really hope LuaFX will have some similarities with Nspire Lua, so that porting Nspire games to the PRIZM or vice-versa is easier.

actually posting code in general was allowed and will be as long as what you get help on adds up to less than a large portion of your topic (not like we are gonna hound you but be fair if your whole entry is done via help then who is really coding?)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Xeda112358 on April 05, 2012, 10:21:47 pm
XD
Oh right, that stuff. X.x. I hope your grades are going better atm too. Btw any luck finding a decent appartment at a decent price? Your profile says "NY" which scares me, because I heard about appartment prices there and...
I am in western New York (far from NYC XD). I live where there are trees and stuff everywhere and you can see the stars in the night sky :3 Um, but yeah, we have an apartment that we are going to settle for for $585 a month (we would have preferred if they had $450, though :/)  That is just barely in our budget realm, so now we need jobs and I am hoping I get the Google Summer of Code thing x.x That will help a lot.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 05, 2012, 10:33:41 pm
Well for the contest, I was just refering to last year's Nspire portion of Omni contest. Almost nobody even bothered to announce their entry, not even when it got finished. It sucked because it seemed like nobody was participating and the Nspire community was almost dead. Enforcing it would at least encourage activity instead of leeching/lurking. As for help usually it was allowed, as long as the author doesn't post a single line of code, right?

On a side note I really hope LuaFX will have some similarities with Nspire Lua, so that porting Nspire games to the PRIZM or vice-versa is easier.

actually posting code in general was allowed and will be as long as what you get help on adds up to less than a large portion of your topic (not like we are gonna hound you but be fair if your whole entry is done via help then who is really coding?)
I assume you still lose points on originality, though, right?

And I see Xeda. Btw is it $585 a month together or x2? If it's together, then that's surpringsly cheap considering I heard a lot of apts in NYC are like $3000 a month.. Good luck with the Google Summer of Code by the way!
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Xeda112358 on April 05, 2012, 10:39:54 pm
Yeah, it is $585 a month for the two of us, but I need to make a security deposit of the same, too. So I need to pay $1170 the first month x.x But yeah, NYC apartment prices would be terrifying D: And if I get the GSoC thing, I can be a programmer over the summer and it will look good on a resume when I apply for other jobs :)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 05, 2012, 11:06:53 pm
Ah I see. Well good luck whatever happens. X.x

back on-topic, another idea would be that when people decide to take a break or are gonna be unable to reach Omni for a while that they let us know in advance, so we don't get worried about them being gone or something wrong having happened.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Hayleia on April 06, 2012, 01:04:41 am
back on-topic, another idea would be that when people decide to take a break or are gonna be unable to reach Omni for a while that they let us know in advance, so we don't get worried about them being gone or something wrong having happened.
That's what I did but finally, my marks are not that bad, so I stayed.
Sorry for those who wanted me to get away :P
But yeah, I made it so that people don't try to bump the Pokemon Topaze topic if I can't reach it (but I can reach it so keep bumping it :P)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 06, 2012, 01:29:56 am
Lol I doubt anyone wanted you to go away. In fact I think whenever that happens it's because a member has reached the point where he's on the verge of banning, and even then a lot of people miss him.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Stefan Bauwens on April 06, 2012, 07:21:55 am
Yeah, I know is sad that there is a decrease in activity. I'm probably part of it, but I guess it's kinda normal that sometimes real life 'things' take over(school, work, etc..). We just have to create another 'invasion' :P :P
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: saintrunner on April 06, 2012, 11:51:16 am
Well here is an idea that I know would help me stay on here longer and perhaps contribute more (I myself have been less active lately). How about adding a chatting system? Like on facebook almost. I know sometimes the IRC gets hecktic with two dualing conversations and sometimes pms are too slow. I have noticed an increase in 'group' projects and I am sure direct quick connection to a single member would help them communicate easier and also keep members on the site for longer periods of time resulting in possibly more activity!

Let me know if I didnt word the above correctly, but would this work? Its just an idea.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: ruler501 on April 06, 2012, 01:57:25 pm
I'd add onto saintrunners idea that maybe it should have a possibility for both group conversations and single user.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Darl181 on April 06, 2012, 03:35:16 pm
You can kind of do this in Omnom by using /pm (or is it /msg ?  I can never remember :P)
It's not saved anywhere, tho.

Edit: or http://ourl.ca/15601/292737
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: saintrunner on April 06, 2012, 03:48:00 pm
But being able to open a message box on the bottom right corner like facebook, that stays open till closed, would allow conversations to flow as the member explores the site :)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Darl181 on April 06, 2012, 03:57:28 pm
Idk, maybe OmnomIRC full view in a separate tab?  Or just use a real Irc client :P

To do what you're saying there would probably have to be some sort of heavy-duty SMF mod, and one that doesn't slow stuff down too much.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Juju on April 06, 2012, 04:08:35 pm
You could setup the OmnomIRC block to be position: absolute.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: saintrunner on April 06, 2012, 04:27:08 pm
Ummm....not sure what you are saying.....a chat box won't slow anything down....facebook does it fine. All it is PM's go straight there, so instead of having to check your inbox, while you are logged on, it just pops up in a bar on the bottom of the screen that says 'soandso sent you a message'. then you click on it and it pops up a bit so you can read an reply to it quickly. like Facebook.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Sorunome on April 06, 2012, 05:09:06 pm
You could invent something innovative.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 06, 2012, 05:10:19 pm
Well here is an idea that I know would help me stay on here longer and perhaps contribute more (I myself have been less active lately). How about adding a chatting system? Like on facebook almost. I know sometimes the IRC gets hecktic with two dualing conversations and sometimes pms are too slow. I have noticed an increase in 'group' projects and I am sure direct quick connection to a single member would help them communicate easier and also keep members on the site for longer periods of time resulting in possibly more activity!

Let me know if I didnt word the above correctly, but would this work? Its just an idea.
This feature has been available in OmnomIRC for over a year actually. You type /query Nickname, which opens a new channel tab, where you can talk to the person in question.

It just used to be buggy. Now it has been fixed recently. I guess it would be a good idea if Netham45 eventually added extra notifications so you know you got a message, though (although usually the tab will turn red).

Of course a small box like facebook at the bottom of the screen could be nice, though, or an option to set OmnomIRC to be located there (although that might look weird with many channels ).
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 07, 2012, 10:36:34 pm
(Btw the future of TI-Nspire debate has been split to http://ourl.ca/15791 it seems, so I guess it should be discussed there now while keeping this thread about activity.)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Jonius7 on April 08, 2012, 02:38:18 am
Hm, ironically this thread became pretty active. We need more of those threads!
(Btw the future of TI-Nspire debate has been split to http://ourl.ca/15791 it seems, so I guess it should be discussed there now while keeping this thread about activity.)

Hmm yes though the mass activity was due to such long and constructive posts. Never knew of such a topic that started such involved discussion!
Hopefully this'll help in the overall increase in website activity.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 08, 2012, 03:24:19 pm
Of course eventually that activity also needs to be transfered towards Nspire dev and maybe more PRIZM stuff. So far 83+ dev seems fine, though, although more of it would not hurt. :)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: ruler501 on April 08, 2012, 04:45:38 pm
I know I've suggested this before but maybe some more computer dev. I know this is primarily a calc site but computers would reach lots of people and could generate lots of activity
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 09, 2012, 03:38:53 am
We have a computer section actually ???  (even split by language and even a projects section) ???

But yeah before quitting I thought about adding some computer coders in the CoT team, but I don't know the plans for managers about that. I guess anyone who is willing to join the team is free to apply on their own, though. (they just gotta share what they're working on and ensure they can maintain a small minimum activity level). I often see some cool PC projects in that section. http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?board=81.0
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Jonius7 on April 13, 2012, 02:45:33 am
It seem interesting but seems like development for TI-nspire has started a bit up since this topic. Not to get too far ahead of myself though.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: ruler501 on April 13, 2012, 04:08:50 am
We have a computer section actually ???  (even split by language and even a projects section) ???

But yeah before quitting I thought about adding some computer coders in the CoT team, but I don't know the plans for managers about that. I guess anyone who is willing to join the team is free to apply on their own, though. (they just gotta share what they're working on and ensure they can maintain a small minimum activity level). I often see some cool PC projects in that section. http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?board=81.0
What I meant was more encouragement of do some comp stuff instead of the semi-complete focus on calcs.

Also stopping DDoS attacks would probably help to
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 13, 2012, 04:23:08 am

Also stopping DDoS attacks would probably help to
It was not me! O.O

Seriously though if we didn,t know it was DDoS and was just downtime, that could have caused people to come online even less. Now they know someone's attacking the site and that it's not our fault, although it still hurts our traffic. Also yeah I encourage people to stay around even if they do computer stuff, since a lot of us check out computer stuff too.

I'm not gonna be active much this weekend, though, and this Summer I will most likely be only active on Omni until Fall. (assuming things goes well enough to let me post at least here in the first place)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: ruler501 on April 13, 2012, 04:28:28 am
I will be inactive this summer also...
I have a couple camputs with boy scouts in june then (almost)all of july I am taking a precalc course at a program at UNT called SMI. They dont allow laptops :(

I hope we can get this DDoD thing solved soon as it seems to be a rather serious problem. How much downtime have we had over the past 72 hours?
And maybe get the forum times fixed
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Hayleia on April 13, 2012, 08:38:37 pm
Tomorrow, I am going on holidays and don't know if there will be access to the internet.
(just so you don't wonder where I am :))
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 13, 2012, 10:43:39 pm
How long will you be in vacations by the way? Is it for the rest of the Spring/Summer or just this weekend?
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Hayleia on April 14, 2012, 06:27:54 am
How long will you be in vacations by the way? Is it for the rest of the Spring/Summer or just this weekend?
Yeah, I forgot to say that :P
I am just leaving for one week :)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 14, 2012, 07:19:54 am
Aaah ok. Have fun :)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Yeong on April 14, 2012, 03:48:31 pm
Have fun, heyleia. :D
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Hayleia on April 15, 2012, 04:40:24 am
Yeah, I will. Moreover, it seems that I have access to the internet here :D
But it is a lot less comfortable than at home (no mouse, slower,...), so I will not be as active as at home.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 16, 2012, 03:22:22 am
No mouse? O.O

EDIT: Unless you mean you're on a laptop, stuck with the touchpad, or mobile?
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: critor on April 16, 2012, 05:05:14 am
Would it be possible to have some dynamic activity stats on Omnimaga?

It would be nice to have updated information in order to check if things are going better or worse whenever we want.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Adriweb on April 16, 2012, 06:06:16 am
Like Google Analytics... then you canuse their APi to display stats you chose
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 16, 2012, 11:51:17 am
Critor there have been dynamically generated stats since about 4 years :P

http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?action=stats

For actual forum page views and posting stats, look in the middle.

As for Google analytics I don't think Netham45 has any plan to get an account. As for Alexa I remember we were ranked around 250000th, but the last time I checked we went down to around 850000...
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: critor on April 16, 2012, 11:53:43 am
Thanks, great! :)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 16, 2012, 11:54:48 am
Yeah I like how SMF has the stats public (or can be made public) like this. On Invisionfree you needed admin panel access to view them and on PHPBB, I heard there are no stats at all.

EDIT: Keep in mind the new member registrations count is wrong, though, because this winter about 3500 spambots per month signed up.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Spyro543 on April 16, 2012, 03:20:42 pm
But yeah before quitting I thought about adding some computer coders in the CoT team, but I don't know the plans for managers about that. I guess anyone who is willing to join the team is free to apply on their own, though. (they just gotta share what they're working on and ensure they can maintain a small minimum activity level). I often see some cool PC projects in that section. http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?board=81.0
I would really, really like this. I'm not really into calculator programming at all (only computer stuff) and I was a bit upset that only calculator programmers could become CoT and have their own sub-forums.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 16, 2012, 04:12:23 pm
Well back then we only added calc ones because there were just too many people applying and the team barely had any spot left (one which was taken by Shmibs and the other was reserved for SirCmpwn). Now there are like 5 spots left. I think you should send a PM to Eeems or another admin to apply, though, because sometimes they may not perform an hiring run, but maybe they still accept new CoT.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: epic7 on April 16, 2012, 07:56:39 pm
My Omni activity has decreased... a lot.

I'm probably going to make a new game for nspire cx soon and get back into the community more. (If I can figure out an object-drawing technique that doesnt make the screen flicker like crazy <_<)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 16, 2012, 10:58:45 pm
/me hopes epic7 returns, along with saintrunner, although he understand parser padwan can be scary O.O
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: alberthrocks on April 16, 2012, 11:05:46 pm
I'm really hoping for a hiring spree. We've seen what happens with communities whose admins aren't active (case in point: UTI), and I think it would force (or coerce :P) those who become mods/admins to be more active, leading to more activity. :D

(I would be happy, if this exists, to join CoT for PC stuffs. Lots of experience with that! ;) I'll admit that my activity kinda sucks (especially with my laptop broken), but one can probably find me on IRC.)

And as always, advertise advertise advertise! :D Cemetech had existing members refer new ones, which may have contributed to their increased activity.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 17, 2012, 12:39:46 am
Yeah as I said to Spyro, if you are interested I think you should PM an admin, so he can redirect your PM to the rest of the team. Activity-wise I guess you would just need to ensure you have 5 posts in the last 30 days minimum consistently during Summer and 10 during school year, or whatever are the new rules now. And yeah from time to time I think some people on Cemetech invite Omni members there, especially Casio guys, and I myself did it with some people who asked DCS/SC questions.

I think eventually I'll start linking to omni again on other sites, instead of my Bandcamp store, because I hardly get traffic there anyway and it might help Google ranking. Of course it helps if other staff and mods put Omni in their sig or a link to their forum profile on other sites, even if not necessarily calc-related, as long as it's allowed and not intrusive. I do not think anyone should advertise literally, as in just plain posting topics to join a site or another, since it's not good netiquette.

I'm planning to apply for musician CoT if I get back inspiration to make new music, but only as long as no moderator work is required.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Hayleia on April 18, 2012, 03:44:10 am
No mouse? O.O

EDIT: Unless you mean you're on a laptop, stuck with the touchpad, or mobile?
Sorry for the delay before answering but the connexion is very limited here.
I am using a laptop so I have a touchpad but I am used to using a mouse so I am very slow with this.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 18, 2012, 04:45:04 am
I hate those touchpads. Everytime I always click stuff by mistake because it's too sensitive. I wish we had to press it to click stuff, like on a TI-Nspire, but without the choppiness of the TI-Nspire touchpad.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Hayleia on April 18, 2012, 02:13:55 pm
I hate those touchpads. Everytime I always click stuff by mistake because it's too sensitive. I wish we had to press it to click stuff, like on a TI-Nspire, but without the choppiness of the TI-Nspire touchpad.
Have you ever tried to drag and drop a file to the right place using a touchpad ? I always land in the wrong folder :P (at least, I have a lot of backups of my contest program now :P)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 18, 2012, 02:18:43 pm
That must be as hard as winning The Game! O.O
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Spyro543 on April 18, 2012, 03:05:48 pm
So, DJ_O, (or any other admin who knows the rules) what are the requirements for becoming a CoT?
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: shmibs on April 18, 2012, 03:31:23 pm
in previous CoT hiring sessions, some requirements were laid out for potential applicants, like these:
-Have 100 posts
-Have been active posting for at least one month
-Have a good forum/IRC behaviour during that period
-Be involved in at least one of the following:
 *TI or Casio game programming
 *TI or Casio game development tools (on calc or on the computer)
-Have a project under development (screenshots or topic needed).
-The language used to program games and tools doesn't matter.

this is a good list to look at, but whether or not you are made a part of the team is still up to the team itself. if you think you qualify, just send a PM explaining why to anyone on this list:
Managers
-Qwerty.55
-Shmibs
-Deep Thought
-Eeems*
-Netham45*

we'll talk it over with everybody and then get back to you =)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 18, 2012, 03:35:56 pm
Assuming the rules are still the same, it should be like this, if I remember correctly:

-Program for calcs or computer (can be one or both).
-Have a project in the works (in your case, the Minecraft clone)
-An consistent moving average of 10 posts in 30 days (5/30 during Summer). Of course you can be more active if you can.
-Following rules (I don't think this should be a problem really, lol)

When you PM managers, it's best that you link to your project thread  or info so they can find it easily. Also I don't think new CoT gets moderator powers right off the start anymore.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: saintrunner on April 18, 2012, 08:58:47 pm
Let it be known, I have not left omnimaga :) and I do and will continue to check in here often, although I haven't had enough time to comment as much as usually :P I have been a tad busy with something a bit special ;)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: nxtboy III on April 18, 2012, 09:03:50 pm
Lemme guess. Minecraft? :P
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Scipi on April 18, 2012, 09:13:44 pm
I like the idea of branching out to computer programming. It gives the site wider appeal. :D

I also think a lot of members overlook some of the projects going on there.

I'm with saintrunner, in that I have not left. I just lurk a lot. :P
Most of the reason I'm not that active though, is because I'm not too invested in calc programming and I usually don't have much to say in calc based threads. Although I usually post in computer development based threads, like C++ questions and such. So for that reason I'd also like to see increased emphasis on computer programming. ;D
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: saintrunner on April 18, 2012, 09:15:48 pm
Lemme guess. Minecraft? :P

close but at the same time, not even near it. but it won't be complete for a LONG while. lol very long ;)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 18, 2012, 11:05:00 pm
I like the idea of branching out to computer programming. It gives the site wider appeal. :D

I also think a lot of members overlook some of the projects going on there.

I'm with saintrunner, in that I have not left. I just lurk a lot. :P
Most of the reason I'm not that active though, is because I'm not too invested in calc programming and I usually don't have much to say in calc based threads. Although I usually post in computer development based threads, like C++ questions and such. So for that reason I'd also like to see increased emphasis on computer programming. ;D
Yeah sadly it seems lately the computer section is often missed. :P Also if you notice interesting calc projects you could always still comment on the design or features if it's a game. I used to do so even when it was for a calc that I do not own and even if now I hardly code anymore. :)

And Saint i think you should definitively make a topic when it reaches a presentable status (as in not just a title screen done), since people might be interested and it might spark more activity and interest. The last thing we want is every project being secret like in 2007, since then it seems nobody is coding anymore. D:
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: saintrunner on April 19, 2012, 03:09:11 pm
Very true, althought what I am working isn't so much as secretive as it is not near, or going to be near finished/presentable, for a while. Minecraft for example, I believe, is somewhere over several billion lines of code; the game I am working on along with the rest of my 'developement team' will most likely be similar in length. And know it isn't a minecraft clone. Something new.

Also I agree, and I plan on, commenting on threads with idea help and general code help while working on my own projects. Perhaps come up with a way to spark interests on topics :)

I <3 Omnimaga!

-saint
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: epic7 on April 21, 2012, 12:00:59 pm
I'm now starting a project myself to get more active here

Spoiler For Spoiler:
Dig Dug!

Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 21, 2012, 08:17:06 pm
Good to hear Saint. Also nice to hear epic7 too. :)

Also this weekend I'm kinda busy so that is why my activity isn't very high and a bit tired due to busy work days in the past 3 days (the $1.44 sale x.x)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: ruler501 on April 24, 2012, 11:29:00 pm
I'd love to start a new project just I'm not sure what to make.

I had one idea of making a graphical utility for downloading projects and auto building them(cross platform). with a customizable configuration. I've started on it and and will start a thread once I have a better made version.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Yeong on April 24, 2012, 11:39:43 pm
I should really post the project that I'm working on with aeTIos.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: aeTIos on April 25, 2012, 03:51:55 am
Hum yeah. Also do you want to help with the computron project I pmed you about?
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 25, 2012, 12:17:46 pm
I am curious what is it, so it would be nice if you made a topic at one point. Just make sure to not kill your other projects or start too many though, yeong. :P *cough*ROL3*cough*
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Scipi on April 25, 2012, 01:31:08 pm
I had an idea earlier. So I might as well propose it.

What if, instead of one large contest every year, we had three smaller contests running so that there is always one going. We could set up like so:

1. Ti 83/84 Contest
2. Casio/Ti Nspire/64K (I think it's 64k, right? :s)
3. Computer

None necessarily need have physical prizes. I think it would contribute towards some really nice programs and games being developed though. :D

Although it might be a bit of work to set it up <.<
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 25, 2012, 01:42:56 pm
HOMER-16 have you PMed a manager (Qwerty.55, Netham45, Deep Thought, Geekboy1011, Eeems and/or shmibs) to apply for CoT by the way? You said you wanted to join the team recently.

As for smaller contests the issue is that way too many are running lately. It might not be as popular because of that. Also it will be incredibly hard for a 68K program to compete against a TI-Nspire program:

TI-89: 16 MHz, 184 MB RAM, 2.7 MB archive, [email protected] shades of gray
Nspire CX: 150 MHz, 100000 KB RAM, 64 MB archive, [email protected] colors
PRIZM: 94.3 MHz, 64 KB RAM, 16 MB archive, [email protected] colors

There could always be some mini contests, though, like the cage matches a few years ago. Just not all year long, since after a while interest slowly fades away. No pixel art contest, since some people cheated in the past (by stealing art and simply reducing the color palette).
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Scipi on April 25, 2012, 08:13:01 pm
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Also it will be incredibly hard for a 68K program to compete against a TI-Nspire program:

That's true. I threw it in there when I realized I forgot about 89 developers.

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HOMER-16 have you PMed a manager (Qwerty.55, Netham45, Deep Thought, Geekboy1011, Eeems and/or shmibs) to apply for CoT by the way? You said you wanted to join the team recently.

I haven't yet, actually. Paranoid that I haven't been active enough recently to join. :P Though I lurk around plenty... <.< Doesn't hurt to try though. :P
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: guy6020665 on April 25, 2012, 08:39:36 pm
I'm still around. Kind of, It's my senior year of high school and I've been really busy with school, and I have exams coming up. Hopefully after exams I will have more time. Also, I now have my own computer so I don't have to constantly sit there and ask my parents to use theirs for whatever I want to do, which should help too.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: KermMartian on April 25, 2012, 10:12:48 pm
Yeah, it is $585 a month for the two of us, but I need to make a security deposit of the same, too. So I need to pay $1170 the first month x.x But yeah, NYC apartment prices would be terrifying D: And if I get the GSoC thing, I can be a programmer over the summer and it will look good on a resume when I apply for other jobs :)
$585 a month for two people? Aaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahaha.
Haha.
Ha.
:(
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 25, 2012, 10:42:38 pm
THat makes me happy I do not live in a very big city. As much as I like the crowded Old Quebec City area during Summer, I much prefer paying $614 per month ($70 for electricity) split in half with my bro in an area with decent city bus service and no car license plates/gas/repair spendings and close to everything so that I do not have to use the bus everytime.

In Quebec City proper, there are some appartments with similar prices as where I live, but you're either far from downtown or you end up living in a 100 years old building that falls apart.

@HOMER-16 the requirement from the days I was still admin were to always keep your 30 day posting average equal or higher to 10 (or 5 during Summer), outside the spam/humor/intro sections, but seeing how Michael_Lee, Yunhua98 and z80man got away with it for months now, maybe it changed. Also you need to have a project upon joining (it can be computer, calcs or music, although one of the first two is recommended).

Seeing your recent activity you would be far above the requirements, unless you planned to get less active for the next few months.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Yeong on April 25, 2012, 11:09:00 pm
I am curious what is it, so it would be nice if you made a topic at one point. Just make sure to not kill your other projects or start too many though, yeong. :P *cough*ROL3*cough*
I don't think I have too much projects going on. Let me see. ROL3, ASCII world (contest), secret project...
Well, that's 3 already. D:

BTW, I haven't had any progress on any because I had to study my butt out for the AP Stat exam. D:
If some matter keep gets onto me, I might just drop the TI-Concours.

Well, for ROL3 (since DJ_O tends to troll(?) me with that topic much :P), I'm getting the map data down. And for the storyline, I'll have to replay the original soon. O.O  on real calc.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 25, 2012, 11:14:46 pm
On a real calc... that will be hectic X.x. As for your activity and projhects you would be more than fine, although the issue might be July and August, when you typically become inactive for a while. You would have to warn in advance everytime you plan to leave for Korea or something.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Yeong on April 25, 2012, 11:20:13 pm
On a real calc... that will be hectic X.x. As for your activity and projhects you would be more than fine, although the issue might be July and August, when you typically become inactive for a while.
Well, I've already done it once. :P
Also, for the same reason, I might miss the omni contest again. D:
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Scipi on April 26, 2012, 12:10:59 am
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@HOMER-16 the requirement from the days I was still admin were to always keep your 30 day posting average equal or higher to 10 (or 5 during Summer), outside the spam/humor/intro sections, but seeing how Michael_Lee, Yunhua98 and z80man got away with it for months now, maybe it changed. Also you need to have a project upon joining (it can be computer, calcs or music, although one of the first two is recommended).

Seeing your recent activity you would be far above the requirements, unless you planned to get less active for the next few months.

I'll only become more active during the summer or at least remain at the same level of lurking. ;) I think if we do start to branch out towards computer development more, I'll definitely be very active there.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 26, 2012, 12:22:43 am
Well we already branched out more. :P We can't really go further than an entire computer sub-section, because then if 50% of the entire Omnimaga board is computer-related or if we start posting lots of computer news, Omni would lose its calc gaming focus too much (kinda like Cemetech in 2005-09 when about 90% of their discussions and news were not calc-related). Not that having non-calc stuff is bad, but there are just too few active calc sites anymore nowadays, so having at least one or two that focuses mainly on calcs with a bit of other stuff too is good.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Scipi on April 26, 2012, 12:32:31 am
Ah, that's true. Didn't of it like that, lol.

I just want to see the computer sections become more active really. Most of my posts beyond Spam, Humor/Jokes, and Misc are in Computer Projects and Ideas :P

And my most popular board by activity is Computer C and C++ Help <.<
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 26, 2012, 12:46:58 am
This is why I encourage people who need help on programming to also ask here, in  case someone can help them. Same for announcing projects. Also comment on other people projects to encourage them. :D

Also just so people keep in mind, Spam has been hidden to members under a certain post count for ages. I'm betting the members that liked it a lot and mainly used that board probably reduced their activity a lot too, although the good thing I guess is that it increased our Quality>Quantity ratio, which was rather bad on the old board. :P

Also don't use spam now since it takes a long while to load anyway (unless you just click topics from the new posts section)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Jonius7 on April 26, 2012, 09:35:34 am
This is why I encourage people who need help on programming to also ask here, in  case someone can help them. Same for announcing projects. Also comment on other people projects to encourage them. :D

Also just so people keep in mind, Spam has been hidden to members under a certain post count for ages. I'm betting the members that liked it a lot and mainly used that board probably reduced their activity a lot too, although the good thing I guess is that it increased our Quality>Quantity ratio, which was rather bad on the old board. :P

Also don't use spam now since it takes a long while to load anyway (unless you just click topics from the new posts section)
Actually, I don't think you can access the spam board currently at all. Maybe it has exceeded the 10% total post limit (O.O), no posts are in latest posts and "Spam" didn't come up in the Most Popular Boards By Posts in statPanel.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Scipi on April 26, 2012, 09:44:33 am
Spam was disabled since it had loading issues, I think.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 26, 2012, 09:46:49 am
Nah, it was disabled because for some reasons, its first page of topic has the same effect as if you would run Crysis maxed out on the server.

Also according to Qwerty last night on IRC, if people apply for staff they end up on a list. However, there doesn't seem to be any plan for hiring for the time being since there's other stuff to do before. I hope this is not another Void P or TI French Team scenario where they decided to stick with the current group of staff until the very end, until the entire staff is depleted, though, because it has been over a year since the last CoT hiring run occured and they used to occur every 6 month or so...

Also the closing of TIMGUL might possible bring some new musicians in, although it is not guaranteed. For that to happen Netham45 would need to send his db backup to juju anyway (or if that fails, I can send one, although it's much older)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: alberthrocks on April 26, 2012, 09:51:32 am
Nah, it was disabled because for some reasons, its first page of topic has the same effect as if you would run Crysis maxed out on the server.

Also according to Qwerty last night on IRC, if people apply for staff they end up on a list. However, there doesn't seem to be any plan for hiring for the time being since there's other stuff to do before. I hope this is not another Void P or TI French Team scenario where they decided to stick with the current group of staff until the very end, until the entire staff is depleted, though, because it has been over a year since the last CoT hiring run occured and they used to occur every 6 month or so...

Also the closing of TIMGUL might possible bring some new musicians in, although it is not guaranteed. For that to happen Netham45 would need to send his db backup to juju anyway (or if that fails, I can send one, although it's much older)
I think the staff are just focused on fixing the server, since half the site broke with the move. Once all of this is fixed (and maybe even optimized), I think they'll have enough time to begin a hiring session. ;)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Jonius7 on April 26, 2012, 09:51:49 am
Nah, it was disabled because for some reasons, its first page of topic has the same effect as if you would run Crysis maxed out on the server.

Also according to Qwerty last night on IRC, if people apply for staff they end up on a list. However, there doesn't seem to be any plan for hiring for the time being since there's other stuff to do before. I hope this is not another Void P or TI French Team scenario where they decided to stick with the current group of staff until the very end, until the entire staff is depleted, though, because it has been over a year since the last CoT hiring run occured and they used to occur every 6 month or so...

Also the closing of TIMGUL might possible bring some new musicians in, although it is not guaranteed. For that to happen Netham45 would need to send his db backup to juju anyway (or if that fails, I can send one, although it's much older)

I wonder if the staff hiring/changing needs to go to the Anti-Riot Squad too, since half of them are currently inactive when I last checked?

And is it confirmed that TIMGUL is definitely closing down? ;(
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Juju on April 26, 2012, 09:58:36 am
Nah, it was disabled because for some reasons, its first page of topic has the same effect as if you would run Crysis maxed out on the server.

Also according to Qwerty last night on IRC, if people apply for staff they end up on a list. However, there doesn't seem to be any plan for hiring for the time being since there's other stuff to do before. I hope this is not another Void P or TI French Team scenario where they decided to stick with the current group of staff until the very end, until the entire staff is depleted, though, because it has been over a year since the last CoT hiring run occured and they used to occur every 6 month or so...

Also the closing of TIMGUL might possible bring some new musicians in, although it is not guaranteed. For that to happen Netham45 would need to send his db backup to juju anyway (or if that fails, I can send one, although it's much older)

I wonder if the staff hiring/changing needs to go to the Anti-Riot Squad too, since half of them are currently inactive when I last checked?

And is it confirmed that TIMGUL is definitely closing down? ;(
The old forums did. The domain name http://mtv-music-generator.com now currently redirects to Omnimaga's music section.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Jonius7 on April 26, 2012, 10:01:59 am
I'm confused, where are all the timgul posts then? Are they all just vanished for the time being?
Edit I was going to go to TIMGUL to get some posts DJ_O had made about his releases of music songs, which I did about 30 of them.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 26, 2012, 04:16:45 pm
TIMGUL was closed a few days ago and became a read only archive containing every post and songs. It was meant to remain open, but no more post were possible.

That was until of course Netham45 accidentally deleted everything. As of now, he got the database and Juju has been in contact with him to get it, but he hasn't replied to him yet.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Juju on April 26, 2012, 04:43:34 pm
Actually I got the database.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 26, 2012, 05:27:11 pm
Oh ok nice. I thought he didn't send it yet. Now of course, however, you might have to make sure the site even works properly at all :P (since your server might not be configured for SMF)

First of all, make sure e-mail notifications works.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: imo_inx on April 26, 2012, 08:14:14 pm
My dad switched back to a USB modem. Unless anybody knows how to hack into the internet waves in it, I'm screwed.
I may not be on Omnimaga as much, but I am going back into programming, so cheers!
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 26, 2012, 10:22:10 pm
Hopefully you can visit from time to time. I noticed you were gone for a while actually.

Maybe spyro can help you find ways around :P
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Yeong on April 30, 2012, 11:05:16 pm
Now that lot of TIMGUL members are joining here ( I think ), we can soon have a music contest, right? :D
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: ::CMG (UTOPIA):: on April 30, 2012, 11:11:25 pm
we can soon have a music contest, right? :D

Hope so... it'll give me more of a push to keep making more stuff, lol :P
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 30, 2012, 11:31:24 pm
Well, for the time being I didn't think about contests, but I thought about maybe eventually having some song of the month or summer topics. Unfortunately I would not have much time to work on such thing, though, plus I am not sure about which rate of news posting could be done regarding music stuff (since front page is mostly site/calculator stuff)

One cool thing maybe would be if I eventually made some sort of TIMGUL Memories mix like the TIMGUL Rave mixes, using songs from the TIMGUL days.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Juju on April 30, 2012, 11:33:22 pm
Yeah, we could include music releases in front page news, I don't have anything against that.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: blue_bear_94 on May 12, 2012, 08:40:14 pm
As a sidenote, there was a 2-hour gap between two posts today: 17:30 to 19:50 local.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 12, 2012, 11:08:25 pm
Do you mean the timezone got messed up again (like when the site jumped straight from 3 PM to 9 or something) or do you mean nobody posted for that time period? I noticed that tends to happen early in the morning and at that time, although there was a time where there was at least one new post every 15 minute or so.

On another hand, however, I noticed that we got a few more 200-ish post days recently (although the site has a different timezone now, but it still gives a rough idea of how active it is). I was surprised of this considering Xeda is inactive for the Summer and how two of our Casio guys went less active.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: blue_bear_94 on May 12, 2012, 11:12:06 pm
I meant that nobody posted for over 2 hours, and 200-ish post days ARE surprising.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 12, 2012, 11:17:08 pm
Aaah ok thanks for the clarification. :) At least it's better than when I left for work during morning after replying to every active thread, then when returning from work 8 hours later, there were like one or two new posts. But of course it isn't as great as when we consistently had 400 post days ;) (about 40% of what SMF support got in a day)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: blue_bear_94 on May 12, 2012, 11:19:19 pm
Imagine that. I would be clicking the refresh button every 2 minutes and no new posts for up to 8 hours.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 12, 2012, 11:23:33 pm
That was basically the entire TI community in 2008. Actually United-TI had some periods of higher activity, but often I checked the active topics list and there were no post for several hours, and that says a lot considering UTI led the entire TI community in forum activity at the time. That said, the worst, however, is if people asks help on programming or showcase a very great new program or a project that needs feedback, but nobody reply.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: blue_bear_94 on May 12, 2012, 11:25:02 pm
Title it "Recovery from the Nspire's Attack." Do you think something else might have caused this inactivity?
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 12, 2012, 11:29:16 pm
I'm pretty sure TI's actions against Ndless are enough to demotivate many from programming for the TI-Nspire or to expect many future releases, and since Omnimaga got a lot of TI-Nspire stuff, it got affected a lot. 83+ stuff still seems to be going strong and Casio, while not as present here as other forums, did not see much of an activity decrease compared to a year ago.

And of course maybe we just had a huge rush of new members a few years ago and less now, so that can cause activity to fluctuate as well. And I used to be much more active before as well.

EDIT: Also blame Minecraft.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Hayleia on May 13, 2012, 04:45:42 am
EDIT: Also blame Minecraft.
And the Spam section :P

But you can also thank Minecraft: remember how many Minecraft clones are in the work ? ;)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Michael_Lee on May 13, 2012, 10:13:25 am
@HOMER-16 the requirement from the days I was still admin were to always keep your 30 day posting average equal or higher to 10 (or 5 during Summer), outside the spam/humor/intro sections, but seeing how Michael_Lee, Yunhua98 and z80man got away with it for months now, maybe it changed. Also you need to have a project upon joining (it can be computer, calcs or music, although one of the first two is recommended).

*Michael_Lee is shamed into posting

I don't know if somebody brought this idea up yet, but one idea apart from internal events such as contests and whatnot would be to try to raise awareness of calculator coding outside of places like Omnimaga.  For example, the main reason I joined Omnimaga was because of a video of Axe I saw on youtube -- perhaps more youtube videos might attract people who are willing to stick around?
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Scipi on May 13, 2012, 10:25:06 am
If we are on other programming sites we could put links in our sigs there. Dunno if that would violate any rules or be underhanded though.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 15, 2012, 01:53:33 am
It depends. On some sites, they disallow advertising in posts and PMs, but signatures are generally fine. Another place to advertise is readmes of programs you release.

Also I probably won't be very active for the next two weeks, since I will be quite busy. D:

@HOMER-16 the requirement from the days I was still admin were to always keep your 30 day posting average equal or higher to 10 (or 5 during Summer), outside the spam/humor/intro sections, but seeing how Michael_Lee, Yunhua98 and z80man got away with it for months now, maybe it changed. Also you need to have a project upon joining (it can be computer, calcs or music, although one of the first two is recommended).

*Michael_Lee is shamed into posting

I don't know if somebody brought this idea up yet, but one idea apart from internal events such as contests and whatnot would be to try to raise awareness of calculator coding outside of places like Omnimaga.  For example, the main reason I joined Omnimaga was because of a video of Axe I saw on youtube -- perhaps more youtube videos might attract people who are willing to stick around?
Yeah it would be nice. Be careful where, though, because for example on sites like RPG Toolkit Zone, there seems to be a bunch of people who find calculator game programming stupid and don't realize it can be fun to get around its limitations. (remember with Ashbad there?)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Jonius7 on May 15, 2012, 06:55:00 am
Well lots of replies since I last checked...

One cool thing maybe would be if I eventually made some sort of TIMGUL Memories mix like the TIMGUL Rave mixes, using songs from the TIMGUL days.
I like the name TIMGUL Legacy but that's my opinion.
At least it's better than when I left for work during morning after replying to every active thread, then when returning from work 8 hours later, there were like one or two new posts.
Those one or two new posts used to be my posts, but I can't really be that active now. :D
EDIT: Also blame Minecraft.
Lol yes I think there's a big craze been going on for at least the past few months.

IYeah it would be nice. Be careful where, though, because for example on sites like RPG Toolkit Zone, there seems to be a bunch of people who find calculator game programming stupid and don't realize it can be fun to get around its limitations. (remember with Ashbad there?)
Ah ok... I see. Was always wondering about Ashbad

Ooops quotes all from DJ_O
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 27, 2012, 02:39:25 am
Well, if a new TIMGUL mix was made, it would mostly reflect the 2nd generation of TIMGUL users, kinda (the ones that joined or stayed after the drama from which the site never really recovered from).

And yeah Minecraft started draining activity from many members since Jan 2011 I think. I guess once the craze dies down it might help, or if we added minecraft discussion on Omni to keep those people around more (although so far we do have the general minecraft thread that some use).

Also since someone on TI-Story was asking people if the community is dying (see http://tistory.wikidot.com/forum/t-470961/history ), I decided to go around and update my 2010 activity by forum stats the best I could, to prove that the communityt did see a resurgence in 2010-11 and that even if a new lull occurs, there are huge chances that activity rebounds again a few years later:

(http://djomni.57o9.org/random/postactivity.png)

Basically, this graph is 147 days into 2012 (also those stats are not super accurate, due to possible missed spambots, deleted posts and hidden threads). If we bring the overall back to 366 days, those sites get something slightly over 100000 overall. (which means this year is very 2007, aside from the activity migration from a forum to another). If the trend continues, then I guess Omnimaga will probably have something between 50000 and 70000 this year and 20000 the year after. I'm thinking Omnimaga might remain above any level seen on Invisionfree, though.

Also TI-BD seems to be on a roll. O.O

EDIT: Also notice how activity migrates from a site to another over the years. This is why if one day most Omni staff got inactive that to ensure Omnimaga's survival (posting-wise) the team would need fresh new blood that is active on the forums and coding.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Sorunome on May 27, 2012, 05:27:59 pm
ticalc.org is dying? NOOOOOOOO :(
But the good message: Omnimaga is growing! :D
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 27, 2012, 05:44:18 pm
Well it seems like Ticalc is still alive, but stuff kinda caused its community to be driven away to other sites. Now people go there to download games rather than discussing. I think it's partly due to lack of (or suspected lack of) impartiality from certain news editors a few years ago towards specific languages (most notably TI-BASIC), programs, authors or groups. Combined with very belated news in 2007, 2008 and late 2010 (although with the staff being busy and not many to help, that can't be helped sometimes), this eventually led to ticalc.org audience changing from people visiting to discuss and download to one that only downloads. It still gets a lot of traffic, just not a lot of news comments compared to a few years ago.

Also Omnimaga traffic seems to be down but maybe that's due to the anti spam mods?
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Sorunome on May 27, 2012, 05:46:14 pm
Ha, but isn't spam in some way a good sign? That means that the website is popular enough to be target of a spam bot :D
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 28, 2012, 12:10:53 am
True, although it's annoying for admins. :P

Also I thought Ticalc.org comment design hindered their activity due to ancient design and people being more used to linear discussion boards, but if that was the case, then TI-BASIC Developer would be dead by now. (since they have the same system as Ticalc)

EDIT: Good news: After an April lower than our 2010 levels, May is now back above 2010 levels! Keep in mind, however, that in April there were a lot of downtimes and about 100 posts lost, so maybe that explains why May is more active than April. On the other hand, in 2009 May was more active than April.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: stevon8ter on May 28, 2012, 03:55:35 am
It's because i'm back online ;)
Haha, joking :P
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 28, 2012, 04:00:28 am
Hopefully we get some of the older members who left for college back too, along with some others who got very busy. i hope to get less busy this Summer too (along with hoping my neck issues will get less worse than they have been recently)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Sorunome on May 28, 2012, 05:45:41 am
according to alexa omnimaga is 575,032th Website worldwide! :D

Well, maybe there'll be a decrease of activity as soon as texas instruments releases a new calc :P
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 29, 2012, 02:21:31 pm
It used to be 275,000th ish, though. :P That said, it's much better than 6 months ago, where it dropped to 975,000th for a while. And whenever a new calc comes out or is announced, since Omni posts news about them, it generally gets an upsurge in traffic for a while.

That said, regarding posting activity, the good thing is that we did not have to resort to desperate solutions I had in mind around 2008 before restarting Omni, though. It was assuming that activity would be even worse on the future board than it did on the Zetaboards site. I don't remember every detail, but it involved rewarding a certain amount of members (I think 5 or 10) with money (Paypal) prizes, if they stayed at a certain level of activity during all Summer (I think I had planned 100 posts per month outside off-topic/spam sections), along with releasing a good enough calculator game project during that period. Since that would be hard to apply fairly to programmers (since someone could release a big game, but riddled with bugs and flaws or consider , a 3D guessing game as worthy), I obviously scrapped the idea. In 2009 we decided to go with traditional programming contests. Besides, it would have been weird and extreme if forum admins had to pay calculator forum members to convince them to stay around.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: stevon8ter on May 29, 2012, 02:29:27 pm
Haha, indeed , that would be weird, i think you'dd har 1.000.000 active members i you'dd pay them, so you'dd lose much money

Can't we do like this: in every calc-platform, teams are going to be appointed, and then every team gets a project-idea where they have to work on, we can get help if we want to on this forum, omnimage members can choose if they participate or not, just an idea :P silly, i know
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: ruler501 on May 31, 2012, 10:32:06 pm
I like stevon8ter's idea kind of a team game/utility/program making contest with small prizes once a month for the best release that month might be able to hold people to active pretty well. and maybe set an activity quota each member of a team has to meet to compete?
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on June 01, 2012, 01:21:19 am
I guess that could do. Actually an idea for the current contest was to force people to create a topic about their contest project, but I think that rule was scrapped. I know the Omni CoT group already has some activity rules, although not as high as they were while I was still admin.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Jonius7 on October 11, 2012, 11:27:07 pm
I've only been back a bit more active (not heaps active like in March and April), and am shocked at just the drop in activity.
Technically we have many members but it looks like fewer and fewer are contributing some posts. Post increases in the more 'dedicated' members are not enough (i.e. it's better usually to have 50 members posting some each day rather than 5 mega posting spree members).
For me (I'm looking at the stats page much), just 7 post is enough for 2nd in the top 10 daily posters, 20 posts is enough for me to be 'securely' in the weekly top 10, and 29 for the month (1 1/2 weeks of October).

These comparisions might be weird, but they indicate a lot when you compare to even earlier in the year.

I like this post by DJ_O with many good suggestions on what to do.
http://ourl.ca/15770/295568
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 11, 2012, 11:58:25 pm
Yeah I noticed we still have a whole lot of members and a very decent amount of traffic (still pulling 20000+- hits everyday compared to 10000 in 2010) and the school rush still had over 100+ guests at a time like last year. I think what happens is that over the years, more people had internet for a while at home and got used to the fact that Google is their friend, along with forum search engines. Since Axe and the Nspire were both new, a lot of people needed to ask new question everytime. Today, most of those questions have been answered many times already so most new members can find everything they need without asking. There's also the whole novelty effect that the Nspire hacking, Lua and Axe Parser had which weared off over time, like xLIB and the 84+ back in the days. That means less posting.

On a good note: The July drop in activity happened at the same time as the Spam section was shut down, at a time where activity there was very high. If a forum admin ran a SQL query to calculate the monthly post count for 2012 but excluding spam, I wouldn't be surprised if Jan-June were pretty close to July-September.

Also I notice some days there are still a lot of active topics, which is good. There just seems to be fewer instances where one or two topic get about 40-50 replies in a day.

Just hoping it won't drop even more, though >.< (at least right now it's over the old board in general, where half of the month there were like 20-30 posts per day including spam)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Dingus on October 12, 2012, 12:17:04 am
I wonder if what we are seeing is like:
The ball game ended and all the fans left and went about their business doing other things.  Meanwhile there are a few guys still sitting in the stands asking hey where is every one?
 Is it game over?  Sure seems like it. 

Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: willrandship on October 12, 2012, 12:31:41 am
Hmm...on that topic of the teams idea....

We should have randomly chosen teams, but each would contain a certain amount from different pools. As in, there would be a pool of users good at graphics, a pool good at the programming, map design, etc.

Also, what about having weekly code-offs? They would start at pre-defined times, and would have a simple challenge. The person can code it in any calc language, and there would be a scoring system.

Example (I'm coming up with it on the spot. Criticism is welcome. :P)

-100 Bonus points for turning it in first
4000 points for not working at all, can be decreased if, say, it half works.
1 point for each byte in the runtime file. This gives an advantage to Axe/Asm over BASIC/Grammer.
1 point for every frame/millisecond/whatever it takes to run, past the execution point. (pressing enter)

Asm programs should be run with Asm(prgmNAME), and Axe programs should be compiled so they can run the same way. This is because timing problems would result from running MirageOS/DoorsCS/Ion start methods.

There should be a website with a live-updating countdown method of some sort, so it shows the challenge to everyone at the same time regardless of refreshes.

Since they're weekly, there shouldn't be IRL prizes (money is expensive!) but maybe we should bring back the trophy system, but for this. Clicking on the trophy would take you to their zip in the file archives.


Oh, and the entries should be open source. We should have the community development skill increase as people see others' methods for running programs faster. These programs aren't going to be massive games or anything.

A few example challenges: [stuff] means replace with specifics.
* make a program that displays the result of [some (hard) math operation]
* make a program that can draw [3d, lots of grey, etc.]
* make a program that [does something] in an especially creative way.

One potential problem is the time delay between the different time zones we are in. I believe we have 3 separate general regions to deal with (americas, europe, eastern asia) and I have a few thoughts on that as well.
* Have the start base on local time, so everyone starts at 5:00 PM in their area.
* Ignore the problem, and make the challenges hard enough that it's negligible. (ie they take 3-4 days)
* Cycle through starting times, so everyone gets a head start at some point.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 12, 2012, 12:34:06 am
I wonder if what we are seeing is like:
The ball game ended and all the fans left and went about their business doing other things.  Meanwhile there are a few guys still sitting in the stands asking hey where is every one?
 Is it game over?  Sure seems like it. 


Not really. More like there isn't as much to discuss as there was when the Nspire was still new. There will be a new spike when something amazing happens. Eg remember when the GBA emu development started, there were 200 posts a day again for a short while.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: willrandship on October 12, 2012, 01:31:18 am
I think I'll put my above post into a separate topic, so it doesn't derail this thread if it gets a lot of interest.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 12, 2012, 01:37:49 am
Actually it might be a good idea as it might get more attention.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: critor on October 12, 2012, 04:20:08 am
Maybe we should improve the Omnimaga website to be more than "just a forum"


First, OmnomIRC definately has to come back.
People (especially young people raised with FaceBook and other things) don't like forums and prefer interacting directly with others.


Maybe we could improve the upload system to handle screenshots, bbcoded descriptions, categories (sorry if it does allready exist - it would mean I've missed it, which might prove that the menu would have to be redesigned).


Maybe we could have an online player/emulator for uploaded files.
TI-Nspire files can easily be previewed online using the official TI-Nspire Document Player.
Most non-Flash TI-z80 programs (TI-76, TI-81, TI-82, TI-82Stats, TI-83, TI-85) can be run by the TI8XEmu GPL online Flash emulator from Brandon Meyer under GPL, which I host and maintain since Brandon disappeared from the Internet (his blog went offline for some weeks some years ago, then came back but was never updated again).
TI-Planet.org can provide some of the needed code.

But... This emulator doesn't support TI-83+/84, and we should ask Cemetech for that, as the only previous online TI-83+ emulator which was advertised here has disappeared (links broken and no source code released).


Maybe we could start newsing about math & science & exams and hosting such programs.
Young people are playing more and more on their phone and tablet, and less and less on their calculator, especially on their monochrome calculator.

Young people looking for calculator websites online will be more and more interested by maths/science programs or documents, and less and less by games because they have their phone in the pocket which is 1000 times better.

We could also have online editors which would let users generate their own calculators documents by typing/pasting text for example.
Cemetech has many high-quality online tools like that.
TI-Planet can provide some code here too.


The world is changing... Omnimaga has to evolve and resume PHP/Web development quickly.

Feel free to disagree with me.

But something has to be done... as soon as possible, definately.
Just dare checking the stats if you're not afraid of:
http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?action=stats
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Stefan Bauwens on October 12, 2012, 06:44:36 am
I believe you are right Critor, but maybe wrong about one thing:
I'm not such a gamer, but I really like to play once in a while games on my calculator. We have a PS3 and iPod, but still gaming on a calculator has a certain charm about it and hopefully I'm not the only one thinking like that. ;)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 12, 2012, 11:16:09 am
There might definitively need to be an expansion towards non-game programs and non-programming-related hardware news, but it would be best to not mainly focus on this nor phase out calc gaming from Omni, otherwise this would probably hurt our current userbase.

We definitively need some online tools as well, preferably hosted on Omni server (providing they don't use PHP, since the server is already saturated with load). Sadly a lot of the Omni admins are too busy or no longer into calcs to venture into such emulator/project, so if Omni ever gets such tool, they would have to be contributed by a 2nd or 3rd party (such as TI-Planet or Cemetech). And then of course it depends of the willingness from the staff to update the site. At some occasions, there were months and months of wait before a major feature discussed about gets added.

Also MORE importantly: Since a lot of people use Facebook and Twitter:

1) Change Twitterfeed so that on Facebook it notifies of every new topic created instead of just news. Not every post, though, since that would border on spam
2) Fix the Twitter page and have Twitterfeed relay the same way there.

It might be good critor if you could PM the staff with some ideas (preferably admins) in case they do not check this section, although maybe they already check and just don't reply necessarily. I am sadly done with almost anything calc-related and have quit admin stuff over a year ago so a lot of my contributions to Omnimaga are behind now. And even if I regained interest, I still would no longer be able to contribute much, because of my neck problems that no longer allows me to concentrate doing stuff in front of the computer (my other physical health issues seems almost gone, though).

And in case the stats page takes too long to load:

(http://xlib.mtv-music-generator.com/omnistats.png)

I still think it really takes something HUGE in the community to draw more people in, though. The only times the TI community ever saw a giant spike in activity like we saw in 2010 were when the TI-84+ were announced in 2004 and when both Axe and Ndless arrived in 2010. And again I would be willing to see those stats without including the spam section. A few months ago there was a 400+ posts day but 300 of those were in the spam section.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Deep Toaster on October 12, 2012, 10:32:39 pm
The twitterfeed changes aren't hard to make, but I'm afraid people might take Omnimaga off their Facebook/Twitter feeds altogether if the topic notifications become a source of spam.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 13, 2012, 12:26:03 am
It would probably depend of the activity. I think if calc help/project/discussion/news are made visible it could help, but adding misc/humor/intro/etc might be an issue. Keep in mind, though, that Cemetech had such notifications for a long while now, yet they're still having a decent amount of followers.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Deep Toaster on October 13, 2012, 12:28:01 am
That's true.

We can make the feed take only those posts from the calculator-related categories.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 13, 2012, 12:30:49 am
Would it be too much to add computer projects/music showcase btw? Music discussion and computer hardware/news might be a tad too much, though. THat said, if you look at the forum stats we average at like 5-8 new topics a day, so it shouldn't be that much of an issue I think (especially considering most Facebook users update their timeline every second)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Deep Toaster on October 13, 2012, 12:32:59 am
Would it be too much to add computer projects/music showcase btw? Music discussion and computer hardware/news might be a tad too much, though.
The feed can search by board instead of category, but there are more boards to add (and keep updated) in the URL than categories.
THat said, if you look at the forum stats we average at like 5-8 new topics a day, so it shouldn't be that much of an issue I think (especially considering most Facebook users update their timeline every second)
Wow, I didn't realize the topics count was so low :o
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 13, 2012, 09:33:03 pm
Yeah it is. Also in the last days or so I noticed the guest count dropped. Not sure why though. Maybe it was Columbus day or something else. There might need a bit more news on the front page since it seems to attract people more.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 17, 2012, 12:08:28 am
Something that would be cool is if the mod to translate posts on demand (some icon in the top-left corner of posts) was added to the site, assuming it works properly. Although Google Translate provides half-hassled translations at times, at least our large French userbase wouldn't need to constantly open a new tab for Google Translate everytime they don't understand a post, same for other language-speaking people or vice-versa.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Stefan Bauwens on October 17, 2012, 03:47:21 am
I just though of something. Perhaps we could appoint some new newsers, which each have their own section to news about. This would avoid any chances of newsing double and probably would create some more news items since the newsers will feel more responsable.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 17, 2012, 04:03:00 am
Yeah I noticed lately that there weren't more news. I kinda slacked down myself but it seems like Critor stopped newsing entirely too. Maybe we could have a newser for hardware/OS updates and some for games/program releases, and each others could sometimes help when they see something notable.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Spyro543 on October 17, 2012, 02:27:17 pm
I have two ideas:
1. Instead of everything being focused on calculator development, why not have contests or more support for mobile or computer programmers?

2. It would be neat if every member had their own subforum (or at least thread) where they could do whatever they please in there.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: critor on October 17, 2012, 02:31:07 pm
Yeah I noticed lately that there weren't more news. I kinda slacked down myself but it seems like Critor stopped newsing entirely too.

It's simply that I have very little time as I'm back to work.

Add to this that there hasn't been huge things for TI calculators lastly.
I used to only crosspost huge news on Omnimaga - check TI-Planet: we haven't made huge news recently.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Stefan Bauwens on October 17, 2012, 02:39:31 pm
I have two ideas:
1. Instead of everything being focused on calculator development, why not have contests or more support for mobile or computer programmers?

2. It would be neat if every member had their own subforum (or at least thread) where they could do whatever they please in there.
I don't think that's really a good idea. Omnimaga is a calculator websites with a purpose to keep the TI-community alive. If we do what you suggest, the TI-community may decrease and possible die out.

Also I just want to say, since now's the time: Critor, you've done a great job so far of posting news on Omnimaga and I want to say thanks for that. :)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: critor on October 17, 2012, 03:18:14 pm
Thanks Stefan. :)



By the way DJ_O, if you check the stats, you'll see that the news aren't the main problem.

I've made many news for Omnimaga during the last year and especially last summer - but the activity went on dropping more and more.


The problem is something else...
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Lionel Debroux on October 17, 2012, 03:32:45 pm
Among the reasons that can explain the decrease in calculator programming activity, let's mention:
* the combination of technological advances and TI's behaviour wrt. development on their platforms, which make the Nspire very underwhelming a platform for programming;
* the attitude of several members of the community, which don't have our collective best interests in mind in their actions - for instance, making closed source forks of outdated versions of open source software and persisting in the error of not working with upstream, or promoting stupid, overly kind ways to interact with TI and attacking the more knowledgeable members;
* the continued decrease of the quality of education, the fact that in our societies, management and marketing are more valued than the technical activities that enable them.

This list is in no way complete...
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 17, 2012, 04:45:29 pm
Yeah I noticed lately that there weren't more news. I kinda slacked down myself but it seems like Critor stopped newsing entirely too.

It's simply that I have very little time as I'm back to work.

Add to this that there hasn't been huge things for TI calculators lastly.
I used to only crosspost huge news on Omnimaga - check TI-Planet: we haven't made huge news recently.
Well there were plenty of great games released (see the staff news sub-forum) in the past months, but sadly we barely had anymore time to feature any. Often it requires a lot of time to track down screenshots, let alone one that is small enough to not deplete people's bandwidth when visiting the front page, then writing a small news about the software and finding the source topic.

As for Lionel I partially agree with your 2nd point in your post. The only reason I disagree is that the post kinda shifts the blame on a few forum members and some people (by reading the small portion just before the closed source part) might be confused as to who it is directed at and will be concerned that they are hurting the community even if they did nothing bad. Not a good way to keep members around. However you are right that certain community members are not helping in keeping the community together, and IMHO that isn't an Omnimaga issue, but rather a community-wide one. I'm not gonna mention everything that happened but it involves what you mentionned and attempts to compete against other sites (eg promoting oneself's products and discouraging the use of any products from another site, or constant cheap shots against it or its members), add to that the bashing of people's projects, although the latter hasn't happened that much on any existing site for a few years.

As for TI closing down their platforms it definitively hurts too, because we have to constantly convince current programmers to stick around despite TI blocking Ndless. See Chockosta for example, who almost quit once because of TI. Also, notice the following pattern:

Quote
Before Ndless: barely anyone interested for the Nspire. Only one or two Nspire projects (such as gbc4nspire)

Ndless 1.0 until OS 2.1 anti-downgrade: Sudden upsurge in Nspire programmers and activity

Ndless 2.1 anti downgrade: Public outcry, but people stick around hoping TI might still change their mind

Ndless 1.7 release: Even more of it

OS 3.0 release, rumors about Ndless possibly never being possible on the CX: The start of decline in Nspire activity

Lua arrival: A new upsurge in Nspire coders, but C ones and overall activity remains on the decline

OS 3.0.2 stronger anti-downgrade: Almost every Nspire C programmer and most Lua ones gives up, temporarily or permanently. Omnimaga barely get anymore new members asking for Nspire help.

Ndless arrival on 3.0.1: Barely even generates  any interest. Most project releases are from the very people contributing to Ndless development

Ndless arrival on 3.1: Same, but this time, there is a very long delay between Ndless 3.1 release and TI blocking it again. A small group of new projects appears, such as GBA emulation

OS 3.2 release with the ability to downgrade back to 3.1: At this point you can notice a slight increase in Nspire projects, game-based that is. By now it seems that this time, TI has left a small door open for Ndless by allowing people to downgrade back to an Ndlessable OS and they took a while before blocking it again, unlike previous times where they just flat out released an OS patch (usually extremely buggy) immediately after most Ndless release.

But yeah there are so many reasons why a community could become less active over time (or more) that it's hard to tell which ones in particular are the cause. It could even be the economy: Notice how few europeans are joining Omnimaga since Europe economy collapsed. Bad economy == Unable to afford internet/3G bills, let alone your own calculator. Even my Youtube videos get fewer views since the past years.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Jonius7 on October 17, 2012, 06:54:56 pm
Yeah I noticed lately that there weren't more news. I kinda slacked down myself but it seems like Critor stopped newsing entirely too. Maybe we could have a newser for hardware/OS updates and some for games/program releases, and each others could sometimes help when they see something notable.

There are articles and tutorials written the Tutorials section, but they're not really used or known much. I wonder...
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 17, 2012, 07:01:55 pm
A lot of new members used to miss the downloads section until recent files were added on the front page and forum users are used to just upload their stuff in posts. I wonder if having the tutorials additions on the front page would help that?

Other than that maybe the site needs a more visible navigation or something, idk.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Jonius7 on October 17, 2012, 07:21:36 pm
Cemetech's front page is definitely simpler, with fewer widgets, but I'm not sure if that's better or would actually benefit Omnimaga.

Omnimaga has lots of quirks and addons (eg: arcade, downloads, tutorials etc) which I like, however it may be overwhelming to the new member. Still most people come to Omnimaga to contribute to calc projects, or just look at them.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 17, 2012, 07:26:56 pm
Another idea that would probably be nice is that when people add an attachment to the forums, maybe something advertising the downloads section should be added as a notice there telling people that if they are uploading a calculator program or game, they should consider adding it to the downloads section as well.

For those who don't want to, then maybe on the front page there could be a list of all the latest attachments and their topics/posts on the front page too.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Jonius7 on October 18, 2012, 12:13:51 am
Another idea that would probably be nice is that when people add an attachment to the forums, maybe something advertising the downloads section should be added as a notice there telling people that if they are uploading a calculator program or game, they should consider adding it to the downloads section as well.

For those who don't want to, then maybe on the front page there could be a list of all the latest attachments and their topics/posts on the front page too.

Good consideration. Actually I've never put anything in the download section on Omnimaga before, but just putting it there could help make the difference.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: critor on October 18, 2012, 10:48:11 am
Something that would be cool is if the mod to translate posts on demand (some icon in the top-left corner of posts) was added to the site, assuming it works properly. Although Google Translate provides half-hassled translations at times, at least our large French userbase wouldn't need to constantly open a new tab for Google Translate everytime they don't understand a post, same for other language-speaking people or vice-versa.

Not sure this is a good idea, seeing how Google does translate.

I prefer reading good english than bad french, which might give Omnimaga a bad image.
I'm sure I'm not the only one.


Something which would be more interesting (I didn't say simpler) would be to have multilingual posts, especially for the first posts of news topics.

The poster writes the news in the language(s) he's used to, and then moderators could add translations into other languages.
Note that you can perfectly use Google Translate, but you will have to reread every sentence.


Great changes to the database aren't needed: you can perfectly do this using bbcode for delimiting french/german/english sections in the same post.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: critor on October 18, 2012, 10:55:00 am
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But yeah there are so many reasons why a community could become less active over time (or more) that it's hard to tell which ones in particular are the cause. It could even be the economy: Notice how few europeans are joining Omnimaga since Europe economy collapsed. Bad economy == Unable to afford internet/3G bills, let alone your own calculator. Even my Youtube videos get fewer views since the past years.

Europe is not Greece and Greece is not Europe.


Don't worry, we are perfectly fine. There aren't any difference in everyday life: it's the same as years ago.

Almost all my students have their up to date color smartphones.

And by the way, TI-Planet had in september 2012 almost as many visits as in May 2012 (exams period), which was allready a record.


So you can't give such simple/generic explanations.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: aeTIos on October 18, 2012, 11:01:23 am
I agree with critor. although the EU economy has declined a bit (excluding greece and the rest) it's still not quite the way of "let's stop with internet cuz we cannot pay it"
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 18, 2012, 11:36:02 pm
Could it be the fact that a lot of the staff/members who used to have ridiculously high posting rates (I had like 2400 posts a month once and some staff/members had 800-900 at that time) have either slowed down or moved on and a lot of the new members aren't as active? Although there isn't much we can really do if certain people wanted to move on or have other circumstances (in my case I replied to almost every post back in 2010, but then I slowly moved away from calc stuff and administration, add to that my neck problems which prevents me from concentrating when sitting in front of the computer for even reading posts at all).

I mean I would hate if Omni survival was solely dependent on my activity level as founder and that to ensure its survival I was forced to post like crazy (I would if I could still physically do it, though, as I still enjoy checking project updates). Seeing my monthly posting stats compared to the entire site, it seems the site has slowly became more independent from my contributions to sustain its activity:
Year: DJ posts / Board posts = %
2005: 2190 / 7723 = 28.4%
2006: 6562 / 29213 = 22.4%
2007: 3505 / 18647 = 17.1%
2008: 1152 / 3989 = 28.9%
2009: 3644 / 15004 = 24.3%
2010: 19533 / 87232 = 22.4%
2011: 11770 / 115419 = 10.2%
2012: 4263 / 43207 = 9.8%

But I notice that everytime my activity dropped since 2011 that the forums slowly returned in sync with my percentage. What will happen if one day, my activity is 0 post a month?? O.O

I wouldn't worry much about that factor normally, but I do remember what happened to the site in 2007 after I lost Internet access for 5 months... I would be willing to see monthly post stats after excluding the spam section...


As for the Internet bill issue, I brought up the Internet bill issue though because in late 2008 and early 2009, every single US-based forum I visited, including a bunch of non-calc-related ones, slowed down considerably. Invisionfree support went from a long-lasting 1000 posts/day average to 200 in an matter of a few months, for instance.

Also Cemetech activity dropped a lot too (it's generally proportional to Omnimaga in overall if you look at graph lines), which tells me it seems to be an english community-wide issue like in 2008.

I'm also thinking that the troll invasion of March 2011, along with the Omni vs Ceme drama that occured on both IRC channels from late 2010 to late 2011 in overall has not helped (especially that a lot of people joined in the very middle of it). A lot of people dislike staying in environments where drama occurs during long periods of time and where people tries to defend someone's bad actions, so they find the once-enjoyable community to be depressing and think it will never improve again, so they lose interest and leave (or become lurkers). Usually the massive loss of users participating on forums can never fully be recovered from or it can take years.

By the way I like the news translation idea. To do so we should make sure that news are compacted so for example there is only 2 linebreaks between paragraph instead of 5-6 like I saw in some news, so that way people don't go TL;DR, or French news could be placed in spoilers. Also someone would have to volunteer (not me) to translate news.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: critor on October 19, 2012, 03:21:15 am
By the way I like the news translation idea. To do so we should make sure that news are compacted so for example there is only 2 linebreaks between paragraph instead of 5-6 like I saw in some news, so that way people don't go TL;DR, or French news could be placed in spoilers. Also someone would have to volunteer (not me) to translate news.

Using bbcode and css, it would perfectly be possible to display the french section of a news and hide the other sections (visible:false).

The language to display could be determined:
- manually by the member/visitor who clicks on a flag
- automatically for members by checking their preference in their account data
- automatically for visitors by checking their browser language



But I really don't think the forum and the news are the main issues.
Omnimaga has a great forum - which could be better of course.

In my opinion, you should focus on:
- OmnomIRC (and if necessary, finding a new server)
- improving the download sections (latests uploads on home page, screenshot + descriptions, online emulator, categories and subcategories, possibility to update the files...)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: aeTIos on October 19, 2012, 06:58:41 am
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Could it be the fact that a lot of the staff/members who used to have ridiculously high posting rates
Sure, and ephan had a ridiculously high posting rate too. I noticed that I am less active too in general (due to exams etc), I used to have like 10 posts a day which now dropped to around 3 posts per 2 days.
(however I'm planning on quite a big release soon :o and DJ_O, no it's not continuity x.x )
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 19, 2012, 09:29:05 am
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Could it be the fact that a lot of the staff/members who used to have ridiculously high posting rates
Sure, and ephan had a ridiculously high posting rate too. I noticed that I am less active too in general (due to exams etc), I used to have like 10 posts a day which now dropped to around 3 posts per 2 days.
(however I'm planning on quite a big release soon :o and DJ_O, no it's not continuity x.x )

Actually didn't you have like 10 posts a day for a few months then kept disappearing for 3? :P And nice you got something in the works :)

- OmnomIRC (and if necessary, finding a new server)
- improving the download sections (latests uploads on home page, screenshot + descriptions, online emulator, categories and subcategories, possibility to update the files...)
Yeah I've been suggesting Juju and a few other alternatives for servers, but to no avail so far. The issue is that staff simply can't afford the extra $20-40 a month that it would cost to run OmnomIRC.

And an emulator on Omnimaga would require TI-Planet help since staff here would probably not be able to implement such thing otherwise. Also you would need to modify the emu to force the user to provide his own ROM for legal reasons. (like jsTIfied does). As for downloads there is already a front page list right above news, but no screenshot and description.

As for news language being able to switch between languages (maybe using the Custom BBCode feature?) would be nice indeed. It's best that not every single language is shown at once, else front page news will be ridiculously long. >.<
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: aeTIos on October 19, 2012, 09:38:04 am
I'd be happy to translate articles to dutch tho I think a lot of dutch guys don't care reading english news :p

dj when did i disappear for 3 months O.o
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: critor on October 19, 2012, 04:23:19 pm
Actually didn't you have like 10 posts a day for a few months then kept disappearing for 3? :P And nice you got something in the works :)

- OmnomIRC (and if necessary, finding a new server)
- improving the download sections (latests uploads on home page, screenshot + descriptions, online emulator, categories and subcategories, possibility to update the files...)
Yeah I've been suggesting Juju and a few other alternatives for servers, but to no avail so far. The issue is that staff simply can't afford the extra $20-40 a month that it would cost to run OmnomIRC.
How much do you pay the server per month currently?

Can OmnomIRC be run on another server than omnimaga.org ?



And an emulator on Omnimaga would require TI-Planet help since staff here would probably not be able to implement such thing otherwise.

I didn't say no.
Just keep in mind that the emulator I currently maintain does not support 83+.
So it would only be useful for Basic programs, or assembly programs for basic TI-83.

We haven't asked Kerm if we could integrated jsTIfied yet, nor for the required conditions if any (links? banner?...).

Also you would need to modify the emu to force the user to provide his own ROM for legal reasons. (like jsTIfied does).

No problem - I've got a build which asks for the ROM, although it's not the one we're using.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 19, 2012, 05:05:42 pm
I'd be happy to translate articles to dutch tho I think a lot of dutch guys don't care reading english news :p

dj when did i disappear for 3 months O.o
Every Summer or so, and like twice in 2012 :P (remember when you were barely active anymore lol)

And I think dutch might not have much interest. We had a dutch sub-forum once and it barely even had any posts, unlike the French and German sections, which are quiet but still get some messages here and there.
Actually didn't you have like 10 posts a day for a few months then kept disappearing for 3? :P And nice you got something in the works :)

- OmnomIRC (and if necessary, finding a new server)
- improving the download sections (latests uploads on home page, screenshot + descriptions, online emulator, categories and subcategories, possibility to update the files...)
Yeah I've been suggesting Juju and a few other alternatives for servers, but to no avail so far. The issue is that staff simply can't afford the extra $20-40 a month that it would cost to run OmnomIRC.
How much do you pay the server per month currently?

Can OmnomIRC be run on another server than omnimaga.org ?
Nothing, because I am no longer in charge of the site and no longer have any privilege except posting news.

Omnimaga forums are hosted on an Amazon cloud server, but OmnomIRC had to be hosted separately by Jimbauwens, because it puts too much strain on Amazon resources. Since Jimbauwens server died, there was the possibility of having Juju host it, but he didn't seem too enthusiastic about the idea so far due to his servers not being very stable.

I could donate some money so juju can afford an upgrade, though. (as long as it doesn't exceed an extra $20 per month).


And an emulator on Omnimaga would require TI-Planet help since staff here would probably not be able to implement such thing otherwise.

I didn't say no.
Just keep in mind that the emulator I currently maintain does not support 83+.
So it would only be useful for Basic programs, or assembly programs for basic TI-83.

We haven't asked Kerm if we could integrated jsTIfied yet, nor for the required conditions if any (links? banner?...).

Also you would need to modify the emu to force the user to provide his own ROM for legal reasons. (like jsTIfied does).

No problem - I've got a build which asks for the ROM, although it's not the one we're using.
Ah I see. I guess in short terms it wouldn't be that much of an issue, although we do not have much recent TI-83 programs I think. I am curious if in the future Kerm would be willing to allow external sites to use the emu to test programs, although it would need to not have plenty of Cemetech banners and ads plastered all over Omnimaga. :P


As for any site upgrade that requires admin privileges, though, any such upgrade that is possible still requires the will, time or experience of the staff to actually perform them. Last week, I learned that certain Omnimaga admins had never bothered to check this topic at all until I talked about your long post. I do not know if the ones (I think Deep Thought does) who actually read this forum section notifies the rest of the admins about feature suggestions in case they find some interesting, since I do not have access to any staff subforums besides the News one.


EDIT: Actually it would help if the IRC post notifier notified of new posts in this section in the first place... <_< and had a bit more stability :P
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: alberthrocks on October 19, 2012, 05:29:28 pm
A couple of things:

Post Notifier IRC Bot: I really would like someone with experience in Python and IRC protocol to help me with this! The only reason that it disconnects is due to PING timeouts... and not being able to recognize it. :P Otherwise, it works pretty well! (The other thing I would like to implement is to store the last post timestamp, and display all the posts after it in case of a bot restart so no new posts are missed.)

OmnomIRC: I have a server that can host the bot. (mc.withg.org) I can probably do this on a temporary basis, but I would appreciate donations. (There's a Minecraft server on that too :P)

TI-8x emulator: If you talk to Buckeye/Deep Thought, there's WebWabbitemu that might be interesting to use. :)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 19, 2012, 05:56:26 pm
Yeah Netham's bots had the same issues. In one occasion, though, the bot actually remained online and just stopped working. ???

As for OmnomIRC being on a less stable server, I guess if its uptime is like 70% or there is intermittent lag it should do the job on a temporarily basis, but only as long as it doesn't affect Omnimaga directly (eg if Omnom lags and prevents the rest of the page from loading).

And I didn't know about WebWabbitemu. O.O Is there a topic about this?
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: alberthrocks on October 19, 2012, 05:58:02 pm
And I didn't know about WebWabbitemu. O.O Is there a topic about this?
It's a secret and non-public project, so nope. :P
It's being worked on from time to time - it so far can run a calculator ROM, but of course we're planning for more features in the future :)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 19, 2012, 06:39:11 pm
Will there be an option to require people's own ROM's and preferably not host any copy, even temporary, on the server?
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: alberthrocks on October 19, 2012, 06:47:25 pm
Will there be an option to require people's own ROM's and preferably not host any copy, even temporary, on the server?
ROMs are ALWAYS stored on the user's computer via HTML5 LocalStorage (or whatever it's called), just like jusTIfied. The only things that may ever get uploaded are backups of calculator state, and programs/apps the person is developing.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 19, 2012, 06:54:52 pm
Ok good to hear. :)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Sorunome on October 20, 2012, 02:06:07 am
Maybe omnomirc can be hosted on 57o9 or withg?

and to ping timeout: Just make it reconnect if it doesn't get a ping in like 10 minuets
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 20, 2012, 02:41:48 am
Isn't witgh some $1-5/month VPS, though?
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Eeems on October 20, 2012, 04:40:50 am
Isn't witgh some $1-5/month VPS, though?
Withg has 3 different servers. There is little downtime and the main server as well as the second backup server have pretty good specs. The first backup server is a little lacking in terms of specs, but it's meant for nothing other then backup. Backup2 hosts a minecraft server among other things.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 20, 2012, 04:48:06 am
Ah ok I see, thanks for the info. I remember it started on a rather cheap server on Hostfolks before quickly moving to another with similar specs, but more stable.

OmnomIRC takes around 450 gigabytes of RAM though I think. :P
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: TIfanx1999 on October 21, 2012, 03:35:28 am
It seems I haven't posted here, but I (and others)do check this topic. There are definetley some good ideas here, and it would be nice if we could implement some of them IMO.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Adriweb on October 21, 2012, 06:23:21 am
OmnomIRC takes around 450 gigabytes of RAM though I think. :P
Indeed that's quite a lot :D
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: critor on October 21, 2012, 08:40:31 am
OmnomIRC takes around 450 gigabytes of RAM though I think. :P

Er... I was going to propose you running it on tiplanet.org, but... just forget it :P
No way it is going to work...
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Adriweb on October 21, 2012, 08:48:09 am
(he means 450Mo I believe. But from what Jim told, it's much more (actually more cpu intensive -load- etc.))
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 21, 2012, 10:56:00 am
I really meant 450 GB but I was kidding about how steep the requirements to run OmnomIRC are. :P

Actually I have no clue what they are, but from memory, after Netham45 upgraded Omnimaga hosting on Amazon before OmnomIRC moved to Jimbauwens server, he had 2 GB of RAM and made Omni database use RAM instead of the hard drive. However whatever he had was nowhere close enough to run OmnomIRC. And a reason why Jim decided to drop OmnomIRC permanently from his server even after he repairs it was that it was too demanding on resources. And no, running it on TI-Planet is a bad idea: notice also how Omnimaga never ever topped March activity level again since our hosting issues in April.

That said, if THAT version of OmnomIRC took that many resources, I can't imagine how much was required for version 1.0... O.O
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: TIfanx1999 on October 21, 2012, 06:34:40 pm
It seems crazy to me that Omnom takes up so many resources. Many websites I've been to have shoutboxes and don't seem to have any issues running them. Perhaps if Omnom(is rewritten) or a successor is written a more simplistic approach would be best.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Eeems on October 21, 2012, 07:23:25 pm
It seems crazy to me that Omnom takes up so many resources. Many websites I've been to have shoutboxes and don't seem to have any issues running them. Perhaps if Omnom(is rewritten) or a successor is written a more simplistic approach would be best.
I've been thinking about adapting my node.js chat server for a while now. I've already got an irc bot that supports multiple servers and channels. The chat server itself has built in support for channels that I haven't implemented. I know that the chat server itself doesn't take up much ram and there is a lot of optimizing that the irc bot code could have. The irc bot also would take a lot less memory if it was only on one server instead of 2 or more. Each new server it is connected to adds a forked process.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 21, 2012, 11:26:23 pm
OmnomIRC was coded in a way that it arrives on Omnimaga as soon as possible back in 2010, with only like one hour of free time every week. Once Netham45 had vacations, he completely recoded it, but it did not let enough time to make it 100% perfect. It has more features than SAX but it never got the chance to even get close to being as optimized as it, since SAX has been maintained for over 7 years.

Omnom is way more optimized than it used to be, though, and NEtham45 had done a good job so far. Hopefully it can be improved even more or something based on it can be done (especially now that the source code is public).
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: alberthrocks on October 21, 2012, 11:52:32 pm
I haven't fixed the issue with my bot, but I've done two things to mitigate this issue:
1) I wrote a little daemon called CPUHero that kills any processes that eat up lots of CPU. When the bot dies, it (usually) gobbles CPU because it's stuck in a loop. (I'd appreciate any help (http://ourl.ca/17069/320200) with that!) Therefore, it should automatically get killed.
2) Sometimes, it doesn't trigger CPU usage. I wrote a quick web interface (inside CPUHero's interface) so that you can restart the bot! :) For security reasons, 3 people must click the button within 5 minutes to trigger a restart. (Don't abuse it!) Go here for the button: http://withg.org/albert/cpuhero/

Note that this ONLY applies to my alternate New bot. I have zero control over Netham45's "New" IRC bot.

For convenience, I've also placed the link in my sig for easier clicking. :)

Again, it's:
http://withg.org/albert/cpuhero/
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 22, 2012, 03:53:17 pm
Since OmnomIRC has troubles with auto-restarting/connect, wouldn't it be a bad idea to kill it when it takes too much resources?
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: alberthrocks on October 22, 2012, 04:00:25 pm
Since OmnomIRC has troubles with auto-restarting/connect, wouldn't it be a bad idea to kill it when it takes too much resources?
I will not deploy CPUHero on the server that runs OmnomIRC until I implement non-killing for limiting CPU usage.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 22, 2012, 04:02:54 pm
Ok good to hear. Limiting CPU usage (and RAM) would be a better idea I think.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Yeong on October 22, 2012, 04:22:12 pm
omnom is back :D
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: alberthrocks on October 22, 2012, 04:44:24 pm
Ok good to hear. Limiting CPU usage (and RAM) would be a better idea I think.
I'm now enforcing CPU usage with CPULimit, which is a pretty safe tool. :)

To be honest, I don't think CPUHero is *that* bad. It gives the process a chance for "redemption" (less than 80% CPU usage). See below:
Code: [Select]
[Mon Oct 22 15:26:57 EDT 2012] [CPUHero] [Redemption] Society is rather peaceful... there are no trouble PIDs to redeem!
[Mon Oct 22 16:18:07 EDT 2012] [CPUHero] 6258 (php5-fpm) gets a PID_TROUBLE score! Process 6258's CPU usage was over 80! (CPU usage: 88)
[Mon Oct 22 16:18:07 EDT 2012] [CPUHero] Commandline for 6258:
[Mon Oct 22 16:18:07 EDT 2012] [CPUHero] User: www-data
[Mon Oct 22 16:18:08 EDT 2012] [CPUHero] 6258 (php5-fpm) now has a PID_TROUBLE score of 1, out of 3.
[Mon Oct 22 16:18:13 EDT 2012] [CPUHero] [Redemption] 6258 is on its way to redemption!
[Mon Oct 22 16:18:13 EDT 2012] [CPUHero] [Redemption] 6258 now has a PID_REDEMPTION score of 1, out of 3.
[Mon Oct 22 16:18:19 EDT 2012] [CPUHero] [Redemption] 6258 now has a PID_REDEMPTION score of 2, out of 3.
[Mon Oct 22 16:18:24 EDT 2012] [CPUHero] [Redemption] 6258 now has a PID_REDEMPTION score of 3, out of 3.
[Mon Oct 22 16:18:30 EDT 2012] [CPUHero] [Redemption] 6258 now has a PID_REDEMPTION score of 4, out of 3.
[Mon Oct 22 16:18:36 EDT 2012] [CPUHero] [Redemption] Probation is over! 6258 now has a PID_REDEMPTION score of 4/3 - it's now free!
[Mon Oct 22 16:18:41 EDT 2012] [CPUHero] [Redemption] Society is rather peaceful... there are no trouble PIDs to redeem!
(Yes, I was bored when writing this - you have to make the output somewhat interesting, right? :P)

Therefore, if there's any CPU usage spikes, no killing will occur.
(Then again, if OmnomIRC gets used constantly, then that's another story...)

You can watch it live here: http://withg.org/albert/cpuhero/
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on November 30, 2012, 07:41:23 pm
Well it looks like that for Late October and most of November, the rising popularity of Nspire Linux and especially the TI-84 Plus C Silver Edition announcement has helped boosting activity a lot. Earlier this Fall, some people were mentioning that most people had less school work starting in November and that this would help, but sometimes Thanksgiving drives a bunch of people away or they go less active for some reasons anyway, yet this month there are 1400 more posts than October.

Hoping that the 84PCSE brings interesting opportunities for BASIC, ASM and hopefully Axe programmers when it comes out (unlike the Nspire). Just remember the 84+/89T craze back in 2004, and that wasn't even a color/resolution upgrade (although back then cellphones and handhelds were not as fierce competition towards calcs as they are today).
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: epic7 on November 30, 2012, 07:45:41 pm
Yup. :D
Now that I'm getting back into calculator stuff, my post rate has increased a ton this month, as well
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Rhombicuboctahedron on November 30, 2012, 10:05:48 pm
Earlier this Fall, some people were mentioning that most people had less school work starting in November
I have three German essays, 5 nights of calculus homework, some Physics homework, a big Government project, and two in-class essays next week
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Sorunome on November 30, 2012, 10:19:10 pm
Currently we are on an upwards activitity trail :D
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Rhombicuboctahedron on December 02, 2012, 12:47:34 am
I noticed that most online ever happened yesterday.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Sorunome on December 02, 2012, 12:48:37 am
wow, just wow, here were tons of guests yesterday, like thousands
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 02, 2012, 12:53:25 am
We even had close to 3000! O.O The record was 1800 or something when the PRIZM news article got slashdotted.

This time it was due to Portal Prelude on Reddit. I wonder if the game will become a hit on Ticalc.org?

Also posting went down a lot after last afternoon lol. I wonder if it's people being hooked to Portal now? :P

inb4 people spam the entire game walkthrough/solution everywhere and spoil everything
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Xeda112358 on December 02, 2012, 09:33:10 am
We've already had "most online today" at over a thousand o_O
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Deep Toaster on December 02, 2012, 09:36:36 pm
All goes to show—best way to get site traffic is still to make awesome stuff :P
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: epic7 on December 02, 2012, 09:39:42 pm
Whoa, we set new high yesterday? O.O

Also... Define "slashdotted" :P
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Deep Toaster on December 02, 2012, 09:57:32 pm
Linked to in a Slashdot news. In our case this time it was for Linux on the Nspire (http://linux.slashdot.org/story/12/11/18/209209/linux-on-the-ti-nspire-graphing-calculator).
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Sorunome on December 02, 2012, 10:13:36 pm
haha, we just all love omnimaga too much
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 02, 2012, 10:47:13 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slashdot_effect

Also lol people seems busy with Portal because right after the huge traffic rush posting activity suddenly dropped to like no post for a few hours for a short while last evening :P
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Sorunome on December 02, 2012, 10:49:49 pm
lol, i just many lest games out for like 30 min max and play them then maybe during class, that's all :P
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 05, 2012, 01:36:50 pm
It seems that the Portal downloads have affected other ones as well, because Illusiat 11: Kin Master Quest is getting an unusual amount of downloads for an old ASCII BASIC game. Music remained the same though, so maybe it's people finding the games through my Youtube channel (I have Illusiat vids there)

Illusiat 11: Kin Master Quest
Downloads: 43
Views: 1116 O.O
Date: 05 November, 2012, 01:50:34
By: DJ_O
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Adriweb on December 05, 2012, 02:06:37 pm
Some famous french websites are linking to the download page, how are the visits today ? :)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 05, 2012, 04:33:05 pm
Which ones besides Clubic? I know this one did for 2 days now and visits have stayed quite high.

Actually the users online peaked over 700 for 5 days now (3 of which were over 1000 and 1 close to 3000). I wonder what will be the hosting bill lol? I know just for bandwidth, it costed Netham45 $10 last month, with only 1 day of Slashdot traffic (which was far lower than what Cemetech got a week earlier). Thankfully for December Portal zip file is very small, so it shouldn't be too bad (not even 300 MB of extra transfer for the file itself, although page loads might be a different story).
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: stevon8ter on December 05, 2012, 04:40:59 pm
Hmmm looks like it's dropping again...
But i guess that's kinda normal, half of the guests that come around know nothing about their calc, only how to play games, so they just come and download some stuff, and then they're gone till they hear of something new...
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 05, 2012, 04:44:08 pm
Actually it seems to go up and down (assuming you mean the guest totals). Every morning it seems to peak. It will most likely be short-lived, though, since right now big sites are just linking to it from their front page news. Posting-wise things seems similar in general, although from experience, December is often less active than November and it goes down until March (although on years where Omni activity is almost entirely game-related, January tends to be more active).
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Juju on December 06, 2012, 03:20:26 pm
Yeah, each time we got linked to big sites, the posting still went steady with no active new members from those sites.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Xeda112358 on December 07, 2012, 08:45:47 am
An IRL friend gave me a link to a site that posted about Portal on the calc, thinking I'd be interested :D Also, the news is still spreading and it is going further and further o.o Builderboy has even done interviews, and not just on TICalc o.o

Also, the OmniRPG has been getting a bunch of attention by community members. It has actually been active. To put it in perspective, My average monthly post count is about 129. As of yesterday, I am over 70 for this month, and December is usually one of my least active months o.o It has only been 6 days for me o.o

EDIT: The average posts from July to November each month has been 3284.2. Totaling up the number of posts made by today's top 10 posters (it is 08:48 EST), there have already been 203 posts, just from them. If this rate continues, even if we average only 200 posts per day, this will still be the third most active month in the past year. This is pretty abnormal for December XD
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: stevon8ter on December 07, 2012, 08:48:59 am
Yeah i think that if we keep on rolling like we do now,  we can get some great work out of the game, and the Activity's rising agian, hail omnimage :D i even saw members that i didn't knew about :p and what i see lately, is that there are some people with low post rate (for now) so that means there are actually new people joining :D
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 07, 2012, 09:24:22 am
Xeda true, actually activity lately has been on par with some months in Early 2010 or very close. Of course Christmas holidays might slow things down but it shouldn't be enough to kill the momentum. Also yeah it's always nice to see new blood in the TI community, as it helps in long term (otherwise when all the older members starts leaving the result is not fun x.x). It's always good to see some great projects like Portal come out too, since Omni gets attention community-wide (or close) and outside the community. It is very rare we see a calculator game from after 2002 get more attention than the old time classics like Mario and Phoenix.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: SpiroH on December 07, 2012, 09:44:49 am
When you repeat the same phrase over and over again, people start believing it's true. So, please stop complaining about it, things aren't that bad after all. Big eaters, of course, will never have enough they always want more and more. What about: 'programming does require some thinking' unlike playing which is by nature more relaxing and thrilling. Give the guys a break and they will come around more often than most of you think. Things migh even improve. ;)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 07, 2012, 04:42:52 pm
Could you explain what you imply by your post SpiroH? I hardly see any recent complaining above, let alone repeating stuff again and again, so I am not sure why you are reprimanding me or anyone else here.

If you mean that activity downfall aren't that bad, well that is exactly the same attitude that some United-TI or TI-BASIC Developer staff (they were identical between both sites for the most part) had from 2008 to 2012: Whenever someone mentionned that the site activity was getting low, those staff said that things weren't even that bad and accused people of making a huge deal about it. Well, here are United-TI posting stats since 2004:

2004: ~28000
2005: 20033
2006: 28340
2007: 23985
2008: 12785
2009: 8876
2010: 3391
2011: 1370
2012: 274 (site shutted down on April 17th 2012)

TI-BD only survived because of how active Xeda112358 was, there, since late 2010. Not that the UTI staff were bad, but the dwindling activity problem was not really taken care of.

Typically, some active members will eventually slow down posting without noticing and then that issue is brought up and they realize they barely were active at all lately. This gives them the incentive to get active again if they want. Same for staff I guess, assuming they care (which is Omni case). Besides, Omni went from averaging at 400 posts a month for almost a year straight to less than 100 in a very short span of time. With this topic, people seemed to have realized and kinda started contributing again. The higher activity probably encouraged newer people to join as well. Of course now things got better due to Portal, the 84PCSE and Linux on the Nspire, but hadn't members (especially staff) cared about the site, would this have happened regardless? That said, it is kinda weird lately how we discussed the recent activity boom in this thread without renaming it. :P
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: pimathbrainiac on December 07, 2012, 06:49:02 pm
All I can say is: Why is it that we had a decrease anyway? I mean, I'm new, and yet I average ~ 5 posts a day now... Do we have less active members now?
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: epic7 on December 07, 2012, 07:12:05 pm
Weird.
Less than 4% of members have more than 500 posts.
Only around 12% of members have 50 posts.
Only 40% of members have ever posted anything O.O
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 07, 2012, 07:30:00 pm
All I can say is: Why is it that we had a decrease anyway? I mean, I'm new, and yet I average ~ 5 posts a day now... Do we have less active members now?
There could have been some of the following causes, not necessarily all of them though:

-Most members who were active in 2010 turned 18 around Early 2011. Since most people quit calc stuff at 18 due to various reasons, this caused a massive decrease in activity from the majority of our old members in an instant, not giving enough time for enough new members to join to take over.

-The Cemetech vs Omni drama that occured in late 2010 and early 2011, mostly over site mentality differences (mostly during the nDoom incident where one or two members from there constantly questioned Omnimaga moderation when we got invaded by trolls in March 2011, or the Axe vs ASM debate that occured a while back). It was not uncommon for the resulting Omni drama to be brought up in their IRC channels, then people on Omni including myself starting rants about that. Since many people dislike drama, they probably stopped visiting the sites as often

-The novelty effect of Axe and Ndless, which came out in Early 2010, probably weared off since then. A similar event occured when the 84+ came out and the arrival of xLIB around that time. This possible scenario is why some people expect a second new wave of activity next school year.

-The increasing competition from smartphones

-People who joined during the activity peak in late 2010-11 have never seen Omnimaga when it was much quieter a few years before. As soon as Omni started slowing down, they probably thought the site was dying and might have lost interest, when in fact, things might have had just been returning to normal.

And of course other scenarios that might have been mentionned earlier but that I forgot).

As for right now it most likely increased again due to the color 84+, Linucx/Nspire internets/Portal
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: pimathbrainiac on December 07, 2012, 08:30:05 pm
I'll take your word for it.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Scipi on December 07, 2012, 10:49:38 pm
When this thread was started, it was pretty inactive, maybe a few posts a day. You could even see posts from several days ago in Latest Posts. The fact that before was incredibly active (we were setting records every month) it was a huge contrast.

It's better now though. Activity is rising, it would seem.

Edit: Found this. As you can see, this thread was started last April, right after that huge posting spree from ~September '10 (Which would be due to Ndless then later, the nDoom invasion, if I am not mistaken)

Edit 2: Forgot the image xD

(http://xlib.mtv-music-generator.com/omnistats.png)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Sorunome on December 07, 2012, 11:16:06 pm
I'm just so glad the the community activity is rising
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Scipi on December 07, 2012, 11:18:27 pm
I'm just so glad the the community activity is rising

That, or we're just used to the lower activity now and it just seems like we are rising xD
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Sorunome on December 07, 2012, 11:20:21 pm
what is lowercase activity? activity without hitting the shift key?
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Scipi on December 07, 2012, 11:23:18 pm
what is lowercase activity? activity without hitting the shift key?

Lower activity as in not as much activity. A smaller amount :P Not lowercase
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Sorunome on December 07, 2012, 11:24:24 pm
what is lowercase activity? activity without hitting the shift key?

Lower activity as in not as much activity. A smaller amount :P Not lowercase
dang, how did i read lowercase, can somebody please tell me that?
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: epic7 on December 07, 2012, 11:40:09 pm
I've been inactive for much of the year, but OmniTV and OmniRPG got me hooked here again :P
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Scipi on December 08, 2012, 12:14:02 am
I'm usually lurking around in the more entertainment or non calc focused areas, but OmniRPG has gotten me on a rare posting spree :P
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: ruler501 on December 08, 2012, 12:25:35 am
I will lurk in casio/comp areas and occasionally comment outside. I haven't done much lately though. I need to find some project to get to work on.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Scipi on December 08, 2012, 12:35:10 am
Quote
I need to find some project to get to work on.
/me slaps ruler501 with a ruler until he joins in on OmniRPG :P
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: ruler501 on December 08, 2012, 12:43:24 am
Quote
I need to find some project to get to work on.
/me slaps ruler501 with a ruler until he joins in on OmniRPG :P
/me will help with story and maybe graphics but doesn't have a z80 calc
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Sorunome on December 08, 2012, 01:47:39 am
Quote
I need to find some project to get to work on.
/me slaps ruler501 with a ruler until he joins in on OmniRPG :P
/me will help with story and maybe graphics but doesn't have a z80 calc
/me welcomes ruler abored
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 08, 2012, 01:49:34 am
what is lowercase activity? activity without hitting the shift key?

Lower activity as in not as much activity. A smaller amount :P Not lowercase
dang, how did i read lowercase, can somebody please tell me that?
Idk, but lowercase activity would be annoying if abused. It would basically mean that for a period of time, every single member on the forums stops starting sentences with caps letters and probably stopping using punctuation entirely. :P

Also the Portal Slashdot-esque effect (idk how to call it when multiple non-Slashdot blogs are involved) is now over so it will be interesting to compare with every previous instance where Omni got featured in such large sites. I think we have a record here lol (next would be nDoom which lasted a few days (and twice) but the amount of guests online never came close to what we had). Plus the game downloads were crazy. Hopefully it remains popular in long terms with people spreading the word about it. Some calc games get lots of attention on ticalc.org when released, but as soon as they get off front page news, they're quickly forgotten unless their title has "Mario", "Zelda" or "Pokémon" in them. Eg Alien Breed 5 already gets less than 15 downloads a week there now. D:
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Sorunome on December 08, 2012, 01:51:18 am
Let's rename then Ailien Breed to Mario Breed/me runs
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Hayleia on December 08, 2012, 07:18:19 am
Some calc games get lots of attention on ticalc.org when released, but as soon as they get off front page news, they're quickly forgotten unless their title has "Mario", "Zelda" or "Pokémon" in them. Eg Alien Breed 5 already gets less than 15 downloads a week there now. D:
So my Pokemon Topaze will be lucky when I upload it to ticalc ? :P
(if I ever upload it there)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 08, 2012, 02:35:06 pm
Pokémon Topaze isn't on ticalc.org? O.O

Wasn't it finished a long while ago? ??? I think it should definitively go to ticalc.org (and maybe Omni archives) if that is the case.

Also yeah every single of my calc vids that are not RPGs, along with Illusiat 11 KMQ in Omni downloads, got a sudden increase in views/traffic. I think about 4 of my calc vids now average at 100+ views a day, and my song called Influence from Beyond the Sky (featured on my Youtube channel front page) and Ancient Kingdom of Omnimaga (inside all my vids) got a lot of views as well. I think it was the first time in a while that any of my songs get in my top 10 viewed vids :P

Activity-wise you can really see the increase in the past few days at the end of this graph now (updated real-time). The two big "mountains" before are Oct-Nov 2010 then March 2011, then later you have a 3nd one on Oct 2011. The lowest part near the end is July-Sept 2012, before it actually started to increase again. On top of that it's with the spam section closed since July 8th, else June 2012 would probably be identical to July:

(http://omnimaga.org/statsgraph.php) (http://omnimaga.org/statsgraph.php)
Click to enlarge
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Hayleia on December 08, 2012, 03:01:25 pm
Pokémon Topaze isn't on ticalc.org? O.O

Wasn't it finished a long while ago? ??? I think it should definitively go to ticalc.org (and maybe Omni archives) if that is the case.
It depends on your definition of "finished" :P
It is fully playable but it still needs a real item engine.
The reason why I didn't upload it to ticalc is that it requires an account, and an account requires my real name -.-°
If it didn't ask for my real name, I would make an account and upload it but eh :P
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Sorunome on December 08, 2012, 04:11:52 pm
I just made up a name when creating a ticalc account :P/me checks what he said his name is
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Hayleia on December 08, 2012, 04:30:03 pm
I just made up a name when creating a ticalc account :P/me checks what he said his name is
Yeah, that's what people tell me when I say why I don't have an account. But see, if BuilderBoy put a fake name, what would the Portal interview look like ? "Hello all, Donald Duck just made Portal". That doesn't look as serious as with "Alex Marcolina" (not saying that I think I will get featured but why not hope ? :P)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: epic7 on December 08, 2012, 04:31:46 pm
I think I just put my first name and last initial, and changed some privacy settings
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Sorunome on December 08, 2012, 04:32:37 pm
Oh, i did Sorunome .. as my name XD
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: epic7 on December 08, 2012, 04:40:50 pm
I often just write "Epic Seven" when things ask for full name :P
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 08, 2012, 04:59:24 pm
Pokémon Topaze isn't on ticalc.org? O.O

Wasn't it finished a long while ago? ??? I think it should definitively go to ticalc.org (and maybe Omni archives) if that is the case.
It depends on your definition of "finished" :P
It is fully playable but it still needs a real item engine.
The reason why I didn't upload it to ticalc is that it requires an account, and an account requires my real name -.-°
If it didn't ask for my real name, I would make an account and upload it but eh :P

You can put a nickname as your real name, like Deep Thought did everywhere. That's what I originally did (it was Kevin Illusiat or Illusiat O or something), and if any staff complain (which I doubt) you can always beg them for more privacy.

Another thing you can do is use a variation of your nickname if it requires a last name: Hay for first name and Leia for last (like how Deep thought uses Deep as first name and T. Hought as last name).

I seriously doubt ticalc.org is as bad as Google for real name. On Google you can get banned if you don't use your real name, but if Deep Thought could get away with it for so long, then I can't imagine anything wrong happening on ticalc.org.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Deep Toaster on December 10, 2012, 04:11:57 pm
You can put a nickname as your real name, like Deep Thought did everywhere. That's what I originally did (it was Kevin Illusiat or Illusiat O or something), and if any staff complain (which I doubt) you can always beg them for more privacy.
Funny, looking at the ticalc.org news it seems I'm the only one (except maybe Xeda) to whom they don't refer to by first name <_< That's nice of them.
Another thing you can do is use a variation of your nickname if it requires a last name: Hay for first name and Leia for last (like how Deep thought uses Deep as first name and T. Hought as last name).
I'd watch out for Princess Leia jokes though./me runs
And yeah, I use T. Hought because Google and Facebook choke on the name "Deep Thought."
I seriously doubt ticalc.org is as bad as Google for real name. On Google you can get banned if you don't use your real name, but if Deep Thought could get away with it for so long, then I can't imagine anything wrong happening on ticalc.org.
Google probably hasn't noticed yet.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 10, 2012, 04:17:43 pm
He could maybe use Aiel Yah (his nickname spelled backwards)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Xeda112358 on December 10, 2012, 04:19:10 pm
Funny, looking at the ticalc.org news it seems I'm the only one (except maybe Xeda) to whom they don't refer to by first name <_< That's nice of them.
Yep, I was referred to as 'Zeda "ThunderBolt" Elnara.' I'm still not sure why I use 'Elnara', but I do go by the name Zeda almost everywhere.

I'm also surprised about Google o.O I didn't think they would take issue with that D:
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 10, 2012, 04:19:53 pm
I still remember your "real name" (or whatever it was) from ticalc.org :trollface:

As for Google I think they just want to get rid of any anonymity on Google+ and turn their stuff into a social network. I wouldn't be surprised if one day, it was no longer possible to use nicknames on Youtube. Yes, I'm really really sure that music bands and companies will appreciate that move.  <_<
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Xeda112358 on December 10, 2012, 04:30:54 pm
I still remember your "real name" (or whatever it was) from ticalc.org :trollface:
Me? Hehehehe, me too :trollface:

I think, anyways >.>
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Deep Toaster on December 10, 2012, 04:51:19 pm
I'm also surprised about Google o.O I didn't think they would take issue with that D:
Only for Google Plus. They treat that the way Facebook treats Facebook—should be your real you.
Yep, I was referred to as 'Zeda "ThunderBolt" Elnara.' I'm still not sure why I use 'Elnara', but I do go by the name Zeda almost everywhere.
Yeah, I thought that was funny. People don't usually put a pseudonym in quotes in the middle of another pseudonym XD
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Juju on December 10, 2012, 05:31:21 pm
Sometimes I use Tasogare Kagayaki as pseudonym (which sounds pretty legit. And Japanese), but I don't really care about using my real name (part of, actually, since I have 2 family names but usually use only one, and nobody really cared, even people and organizations IRL).
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Sorunome on December 10, 2012, 09:49:25 pm
even on youtube they tried to fish my real name...i don't even have google plus
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Deep Toaster on December 11, 2012, 12:16:33 am
even on youtube they tried to fish my real name...i don't even have google plus
Oh yeah, YouTube does that now too because Google merged YouTube profiles with Google Plus profiles. There may be others too (like Blogger, but that seems to be optional).
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: pimathbrainiac on December 11, 2012, 09:16:30 am
I only use my first name and last initial...

That way people can call me by name, but not track me down to where I live :P
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 11, 2012, 03:18:15 pm
I'm also surprised about Google o.O I didn't think they would take issue with that D:
Only for Google Plus. They treat that the way Facebook treats Facebook—should be your real you.
Yep, I was referred to as 'Zeda "ThunderBolt" Elnara.' I'm still not sure why I use 'Elnara', but I do go by the name Zeda almost everywhere.
Yeah, I thought that was funny. People don't usually put a pseudonym in quotes in the middle of another pseudonym XD
I thought that was Google-wide? Because to change your Google Plus nickname you have to change it accross their entire network (eg, I couldn't use DJ as first name and Omnimaga as last name if I still use my real name elsewhere on their site)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Rhombicuboctahedron on December 11, 2012, 08:36:26 pm
I only use my first name and last initial...

That way people can call me by name, but not track me down to where I live :P
Unless, of course, Philip, somebody clicks on the YouTube video you posted, which clearly says who it’s by.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Sorunome on January 06, 2013, 07:53:42 pm
On the long run now it still seems to be increasing, the activity! *yay*
What did happen? Was it portal and omnirpg combined that brought many members back to the forums?
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: epic7 on January 06, 2013, 07:54:27 pm
No, it was just from Sorunome going nuts and posting 9001 times last month :P
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Sorunome on January 06, 2013, 08:12:30 pm
what, What, WHAT, I DIDN'T GO NUTS WHAAAAAAAAA/me goes nuts
JK, lol

It is not only me, I only post if others post, so, others have posted more on omnimaga for some reason :P
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 06, 2013, 10:58:54 pm
On the long run now it still seems to be increasing, the activity! *yay*
What did happen? Was it portal and omnirpg combined that brought many members back to the forums?
Yeah I noticed lately, especially the last 2 months (except Christmas holidays) where it jumped by 1000 one month. Most likely the 84 Plus Color Silver Edition, Portal and a bunch of the other big projects that are coming out. Christmas holidays seems to have slowed activity down a bit compared to Early December, though.

Maybe we should post about nDoom CX on 4chan/b/ and then start a religion debate thread once traffic increased. That will certainly bring more activity :trollface:

(don't)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Sorunome on February 01, 2013, 10:37:09 pm
nuuuuuuuu, we'r losing activity again D:
(http://img.removedfromgame.com/imgs/nuuu.png)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: epic7 on February 01, 2013, 10:39:04 pm
nuuu!
At least we have (int)pi*100 new registrations in January :P
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on February 01, 2013, 10:49:04 pm
Yeah the activity boost a few months ago seemed kinda short-lived. D: (although in general ATM it's better than last Summer and early Fall). Just hoping it remains up like this or goes higher again. We might need a bunch of dedicated 84PCSE games coders, though, not 2 causal coders who will leave 2 months after starting. It would kinda suck if Omnimaga was entirely drained from its 84 Color Silver Edition activity by other sites due to lack of interest here, like what happened with the PRIZM. Even TI-BASIC coders would help as long as it's game-related. (of course discoveries help too tho)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Sorunome on March 01, 2013, 11:52:23 pm
Why do I have to bring the bad news? D:
(http://img.removedfromgame.com/imgs/decreasing.png)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 02, 2013, 01:03:15 am
Indeed. It seems like there's a general lack of Interest from some of the users lately. I think the main issue though is weekends. One weekend out of two I work and have little time to post here and it seems like others disappear at the same time. The good news is that most years Jan/Feb is quieter than Nov/Dec but if March is worse then imagine how July will be x.x. It seems like the community in general is dying down though, hence why we need some people here to buy a 84+CSE and Axe84C or something to give things a kickstart again.

Also, the post notifier being down all the time doesn't help either, because activity goes down by half, if not more, when this happens.

Btw the Facebook topic notifier is down too.

I'm not expecting more than 2000 posts per month next summer actually, and in 2014 we'll prbly back in the 3 digit numbers again for a few years like in 2008-09 x.x
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: critor on March 02, 2013, 04:03:04 am
You check the number of posts.
Maybe you should check the number of visits/hits too.

Because even if very few people comment a news/topic, it's still important if many people read it.


And indeed, pageviews is greater in february than in january.
No wonder with the exclusive TI-84+CSE news we shared ;)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Keoni29 on March 02, 2013, 04:25:00 am
Because a lot of the programmers that started 4 years ago have mastered their programming language there aren't a lot of questions asked in their respective boards. Another problem is that a lot of projects lose interest and the programmer decides to do something else. As a result a lot of cool projects including some of mine died in early stages. Look at the community projects. How many of those are  finished?
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 02, 2013, 04:48:31 am
YEah true although it was kinda higher last year IIRC (although it might be due to CloudFlare blocking most bots). One issue might be that due to most questions having been answered already to newbies, there's less discussion to be done for help. Everything is already available to read for newbies. Programming-wise, the novelty of Axe weared off, as did the TI-84 Plus novelty 2-3 years after the 84+ came out, along with ASM libs, and of course Ndless.

Also I think the Nspire platform is almost dead now, game programming-wise. I think that the Nspire is facing the 4 following problems:

-Most calculator programmers love to push limited hardware to their max potential. The TI-Nspire isn't limited enough.
-The rest would rather do computer programming
-The constant danger of seeing Ndless blocked on the latest OS again and again
-A bunch of people prefer user interfaces like on the TI-83 Plus, Casio PRIZM or TI-84 Plus C Silver Edition.

As for low project activity, it's probably due to the following:

-People started projects that are too big for them, then newer coders finally realized that they should avoid doing such mistake, so they wait
-People saw too many great projects die, so they are less interested to reply to active ones, since they think it will be dead in a few months.

And I think that some people are relying too much on myself to keep Omni afloat. Omni suddenly have a large activity outburst with several 100+ post days close to 200, then as soon as I start my 6 days in a row work schedule, the site slowly dies again (usually on weekends). I still even receive constant admin requests even though I am not admin anymore since 2011. People need to realize that the key to Omni survival is in their hands too and that the site should not be dependent on 1 person. It takes that part of the community too. I'm not as healthy (physically) as I was until 2010 so I can't really pull 1500+ posts months like I used to.

And I agree on the projects. People need to learn to backup more and manage their time better instead of spending most of their time playing Minecraft and flooding humor and jokes with duplicate image/botswana threads. Not only projects die, but when that many do it makes other people even less interested in replying to them or helping out, since they know it will die in a few months. But again, this is a problem everywhere on the Internet with freeware games. It's just worse with calculators since a TI programming "career" usually lasts less than 1 year.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Keoni29 on March 02, 2013, 04:53:52 am
Axe C will definitely be a reason for many to get the new color 84+ SE model. There will be a lot of new games coming out and I can't wait to see some amazing colorful games. I hope people will take full advantage of the color capabilities and the higher resolution of the calculator.

Why do I have to bring the bad news? D:
(http://img.removedfromgame.com/imgs/decreasing.png)
Holidays activity peak. Nothing to worry about.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 02, 2013, 04:57:12 am
I just hope that people are not scared too much of the slow vertical scrolling. Of course if the program editor is really bad for editing large code then this platform might not be as popular for on-calc programmers (one extra reason to make an on-calc IDE!) but that platform will be fun to code and challenge and it will be interesting to see what shortcuts people use to get around limitations, like what happened with the 6 MHz TI-83+ back in the days. Heck, if people still code for the 2 MHz TI-81, then why wouldn't we with the 84+CSE?
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Keoni29 on March 02, 2013, 05:04:39 am
I'm just disappointed in TI that they decided to go with shit hardware again while better cpu specs cost 20ct more. Nonetheless for most of us the challenge of programming for minimalistic hardware got us in the scene, so I hope the new color model will get more students into calculator programming. We should definitely promote programming for calculators beyond the boundaries of the community. I did a lot of basic programming before I found out about omnimaga and AXE. I was the only one in my year that knew how to program for the 84+ (and everyone wanted me to make a wireless chat program of course :P) If only there was a way to spread the word directly to the students. How about social media? How about a viral video?

Edit: Some communities like atariage have a shop in which you can buy homebrews and hardware for your retro consoles/computers. What about an omnimaga shop with kits for developing calculator peripherals. There are a couple of active hardware fanatics in the community and I'd like to lure some people from the arduino forums over to our community.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Fireicee1 on March 02, 2013, 09:57:58 am
For me, I just have a lot of work and stuff to do during the week, so I don't really get a chance to get on during the week.  I'd probably be a bit more active during the weekends. 
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Keoni29 on March 02, 2013, 10:32:03 am
As long as the sum of the activity is high it doesn't matter which day of the week you're active. Other people are more active on another day and thus we have an evenly distributed amount of activity. Or do we...
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 02, 2013, 01:38:29 pm
Well, as you can see in stats, it seems that every thursday activity goes way down and it gets worse as the weekend starts. It picks up again slightly when the week starts. It's usually much lower when it's my weekend of work (and my bigger work shifts).

The main danger here is that we are unable to keep sustained activity up: It picks up again on weekdays but after weekend all that momentum is lost and all the work has to be redone from scratch. That said, the major activity decrease since mid 2011 might be due to Munchor, Ashbad and SirCmpwn being gone, though. They were by far the most active members when they were still around (in Munchor's case, sometimes more than me) and Munchor usually replied to every project like me.

Also we have to avoid falling into a downward spiral of people getting unmotivated to continue projects due to lack of reply, which in turns discourages people from helping on projects due to too many dying, because I think that every reply count, even if lower, and you are usually safe to double-post an update anyway. Just look at Not_a_Number's music, for example: Even though he takes a long while to get replies he still posts his stuff anyway since he's eventually gonna get some, and that's with the music section being much less popular than the programming one. Of course, however, certain calc projects might get less replies if 1) they were done many times before (menu-based games, sprite editor, pong clone, etc) or 2) if the member had an history of causing trouble (in which case it seems to kinda cause some sort of boycott or deterring members from his topics)

And of course I would at least hope that if activity goes down to 2008-09 levels that we don't end up being forced to give money prizes to members who keep a certain activity level, posting and project wise like what I thought once, because this would eventually backfire, since newer members would only come for the money and this might result in low quality projects popping up.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Sorunome on March 03, 2013, 03:51:15 pm
I did some stuff on instructables.com, as in claculator programming tutorialw ith linking to omni, but noone was interested, that wre my 'ibles with least views.....
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 04, 2013, 02:39:59 am
That sucks. This reminds me of my music on Youtube nowadays. >.<
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: aeTIos on March 05, 2013, 07:00:39 am
I'm getting more active: I finished the biggest assignment I had to do.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 05, 2013, 02:17:18 pm
Nice to hear. :D
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Sorunome on April 29, 2013, 08:02:38 pm
So, looks like new member skyrocketed O.O
New posts also went up a bit and new topics have been keep going up, i hope that it'll stay that way :D
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 29, 2013, 08:08:51 pm
I think new members are partly due to bots bypassing CloudFlare filters easier, but I did notice a certain activity increase some weeks. I'm quite less active this month due to being busy, though, so activity could probably have been higher otherwise.

I might put half of my files back on ticalc.org and TI-Planet soon, but first I want to update every readme with the current website link and I might group certain games together. I might also add some of them on Cemetech in that format, but it might be restricted to the big names/classics. That might hopefully help bringing some new people.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Sorunome on April 29, 2013, 08:10:32 pm
As for bots bypassing: I found a pretty good-working method: just have when signing in another input field with the id "homepage" and put in the style it to display:none; and check on the server if it is filled out, if it is prevent signing up. I use that on my website and ever since I didn't have a single spam post :)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 29, 2013, 08:25:36 pm
Will this work in every browser including mobile?
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Sorunome on April 30, 2013, 07:36:07 pm
Yeah, elinks would still display the input thingy, so you should write next to it (also in display:none;) Don't enter anything

So it'll look like that:
Code: [Select]
<span id="homepageInput">Don't enter anything:<input type="text" name="homepage" id="homepage" /></span>

in CSS:
#homepageInput {
display:none;
}
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 30, 2013, 11:26:01 pm
Yeah I was more worried about browsers that might not support display:none/<span> or CSS at all :P
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Sorunome on May 01, 2013, 07:23:23 pm
Ha, even elinks supports some css... :P
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Sorunome on June 06, 2013, 10:12:33 pm
http://status.omnimaga.org/

the posts are still decreasing, the activity is decreasing.....does anybody have a new+good idea to prevent that?
The CSE unfortunatley didn't give us our hoped results :(
No new member due to the CSE yet
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: ruler501 on June 06, 2013, 10:46:21 pm
More comp work. I've become more active on the forum for the game I've been working on, but I don't do much calc stuff so I'm not very active here.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Sorunome on June 06, 2013, 10:49:47 pm
Why won't you guys just post your comp work here just as I do it?
I see omnimaga as a general programming forum and if i need help the first place where i look is seriousley always omnimaga
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Geekboy1011 on June 06, 2013, 11:04:20 pm
The contests will help soon as that starts thats a bit from now tho. its really just the end of school season that is the problem

and we are a programming forum with a direction of programming calculators. BUT we do love and enjoy having non calc related projects. HENCE THE ENTIRE SUBFORUM for it :P so post here to!!!!
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on June 06, 2013, 11:18:02 pm
Yeah true. That said, it also help that people who don't necessarily work on projects also check other projects from time to time and reply to them.

I would post more, but most of the time neck or back pain hinders my concentration so I don't feel like posting nor programming. >.<

One thing that some members could do is to reply to 3 project threads a day, then if someone else sees 3 threads where the last poster is the author or one he thinks he didn't check, then he replies to them, and so on.

Also Geekboy summer is usually much worse than the end of school, because most people don't feel like doing calc stuff while it's warm and sunny outside, and the ones who feel like doing so usually end up in camping with no Internet access. Based on the posting rate this year, I would say this Summer we get around 1000-2000 posts a month max (like on the old board).

It might just be the community really dying for real this time, though, because even Cemetech has low posting and TI-BASIC Developer isn't doing any better. In 2008, however, we all thought the community was on the verge of dying, then it eventually revived 2 years later, so all hope is not lost, but it is entirely possible that this time, Omnimaga have to expand its team and focus to non-calc programming in order to survive in long terms.

One thing I noticed on past forums, though, is that the regular members activity tends to be influenced by the staff activity, especially considering most people visit the programming team sub-forums in hope that those projects will get released. So if most staff rarely ever post, then most regular members will rarely post too. (See United-TI, Revsoft and MaxCoderz, for example)

(I'm probably gonna try to make another Omni tribute/ad on Youtube at one point, on my Channel, which has 620+ subscribers.)

EDIT in case anyone mentions school finals and such stuff being a reason for the decrease in activity, check this out:

May 2004: 4 (yAronet)
May 2005: 588
May 2006: 2634
May 2007: 711
May 2008: 0 (no board)
May 2009: 1431
May 2010: 4363
May 2011: 11169
May 2012: 5207
May 2013: 2771

Also April 2013 was actually lower than April 2006. On the other hand, it could be worse, because I still remember several months where days with fewer than 10 posts were very common, but I seriously hope we don't go through that again >.<

The good news so far is that we already have more posts in 2013 than our worst full year on this board install (2009) and we almost have as many as in 2007 (which was our final year on Invisionfree). It is still possible that we might have more than 2006 again. I hope I can manage to finish Zelda or something to bring some stuff for the CSE, since to attract CSE users, we need games.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Keoni29 on June 07, 2013, 08:45:22 am
I posted an article about my psion pocket computer on my website and now and then people find it using google. I think there are still people out there looking for an active community that programs pocket computers, pda's and palmtops. Maybe an idea for a cool new board?

Here is a link to the article to give you an idea what the hardware is like:
http://8times8.host56.com/?p=166
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Sorunome on June 07, 2013, 05:41:13 pm
You could always start some topics in general technology stuff (or general programming), and if many people like it i can see a board for it coming up :D
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on June 07, 2013, 05:52:22 pm
Yeah I think I brought up the idea in XiiCREATION (sp?) PS Vita topic once. The ROM hacking/homebrew subforum can be used for console game dev, but the issue is that people think it's only for NES/SNES/N64/GB rom hacking. A mobile/handheld development board would be nice.

Also Omnimaga won't ever have any choice but to expand to whatever most members are interested in, in order to try to keep them around.

Another thing that would be nice is if my finances allowed it and that the board stats didn't count humor/jokes/misc/random discussion, there would be a monthly gift card prize (not something huge but still noticeable considering our members have few money) for a Most valuable member award. The conditions would be the following:

-Having made the top 10 monthly posters the month before. At the end of that month, each top 10 members' total post counts and post rating would be recorded.
-Show signifiant calculator or game-related project progress (basically, not just a title screen nor a number guessing game) through at least two public forum updates the month after.
-Increase your post count by 90 that month (this means an average of 3 posts per day in sub-forums that counts towards post counts)
-Total rating must not get lower than the previous month (so basically, avoid spamming/trolling as a way to rack up your post count)
-Not be myself :P (not that I would be able to win anyway, because I post project progress so rarely x.x. Staff would be eligible, though, to encourage staff to also be active)

The prize would range from $10 to $50 in gift cards (or Paypal donation), but would be calculated this way:
-If the entire forum got less than 2500 posts during that month, a $10 gift card would be awarded
-If the entire forum got from 2500 to 5000, a $25 card would be awarded
-If the entire forum got over 5000, then a $50 gift card would be awarded

That wouldn't be very much, but that's almost enough to buy my entire paid discography on Bandcamp :P. Of course that would be kinda expensive even for me, so it might be something that is only done during July, August, September and January.

Another thing that could possibly be done is having my discography pricing in a way so that the higher the forum post count, the cheaper my albums (eg if there are less than 2500 posts, it's $5 each, 2500-5000 $4, 5000-10000 $3 and 10000+ $2.)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Sorunome on June 07, 2013, 05:55:20 pm
I don't really like the pay-for-activity idea as it is like paying people to use omnimaga and it somehow seems wrong to me......
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Eeems on June 07, 2013, 08:04:11 pm
http://status.omnimaga.org/

the posts are still decreasing, the activity is decreasing.....does anybody have a new+good idea to prevent that?
The CSE unfortunatley didn't give us our hoped results :(
No new member due to the CSE yet
You really should use http://status.ourl.ca/ It's smaller :P

As DJ already mentioned the summer is normally slower on the activity side due to people going on vacation etc.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on June 07, 2013, 09:28:45 pm
I don't really like the pay-for-activity idea as it is like paying people to use omnimaga and it somehow seems wrong to me......
Yeah true, although if that eventually becomes the only way to save the TI community, then I guess we might have no choice. I think it should only be used in last resort, for example if we get less than 1000 posts for several months in a row. We were actually supposed to do the Pay-for-activity idea during SUmmer 2010, as we brought it up in August 2009 when we had an all-time low August activity, but we finally didn't because the site managed to rebound.

However, I think the contest should have posting requirements to a lower extent, such as posting one contest project update or idea every 2 week, so people don't vanish until the end of the contest :P, and pay-for-activity might actually not be too bad for Summertime, as it might encourage people to not leave the site for the entire summer.
http://status.omnimaga.org/

the posts are still decreasing, the activity is decreasing.....does anybody have a new+good idea to prevent that?
The CSE unfortunatley didn't give us our hoped results :(
No new member due to the CSE yet
You really should use http://status.ourl.ca/ It's smaller :P

As DJ already mentioned the summer is normally slower on the activity side due to people going on vacation etc.
Yes, but as I mention  below, check the May activity over the years. Summer might be less active, but there's still a major difference between July 2011 post stats and July 2012.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Jonius7 on August 12, 2013, 10:18:21 am
Did we have any contests this year so far?
Also something less related, but member numbers have spiked in the last few months, like they did a few years ago.
Title: Re: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on August 12, 2013, 12:35:37 pm
Not yet. One is planned but I'm unsure what ever happened to it.

As for numbers, yeah, although what surprised me the most was that unusual summer activity spike at the end of July.

EDIT: By the way you should change the 1st topic post title to General Decrease/Increase in Omnimaga activity - What can we do? or something, since the activity usually fluctuates rather than continuously decreasing lately. :P
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: Deep Toaster on August 12, 2013, 01:55:40 pm
There is one coming soon.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: critor on August 12, 2013, 04:25:20 pm
I don't know if it will be visible in the montly stats, but I find that recent HP-Prime topics got a nice activity those last days.

There is a huge interest in that calculator - let's just hope that it won't die like the Casio Prizm interest.

So it just might be a good idea to go on? ;)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: AssemblyBandit on August 12, 2013, 06:36:52 pm
Just some thoughts:

I think that there should be mini-contests going on constantly. There should be incentives for members to program and participate, not money but maybe a link in their profile to their scores or something. Have anyone be a judge and have something like the 'likes' on facebook to help determine scores. Have a sub-forum named Competition or something where anyone can put up there projects to partake in these monthly themed contests using any calc, pc, or device. Have team competitions where 2 or 3 people work on projects together. Have duels where users can vote the programmers to compete. Have trophies given like those for games. Have crazy temporary titles that appear over their real names. Most importantly have awards, categories, and perks like 'newcomer', 'most improved' and other stuff so as to not alienate new members or new/just learning programmers. Give everyone a chance to win at something. If we can encourage new and promote existing programmers/artists/designers/engineers to program/create, *everyone* wins.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: TIfanx1999 on August 12, 2013, 07:01:54 pm
We had "duels" of sorts going on a while back. They were called "cage matches". However, no one was organizing them anymore, so they kind of faded away. They were pretty neat though. Team competitions would be a nice idea, but team projects don't seem to go to far usually in this community. If one person lags behind or drops out the project tends to fall apart. :/
Title: Re: Re: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on August 12, 2013, 10:59:28 pm
I don't know if it will be visible in the montly stats, but I find that recent HP-Prime topics got a nice activity those last days.

There is a huge interest in that calculator - let's just hope that it won't die like the Casio Prizm interest.

So it just might be a good idea to go on? ;)
well to be honest, the issue with the PRIZM is that on Omni, only two people were interested in hacking it and programming ASM, and the extremely slow BASIC turned people away, back to their beloved Axe Parser and 84+ BASIC.

Then Cemetech started hacking it too, but with C, so since Omni barely did anymore PRIZM stuff, almost all activity about it moved there and it was hard to keep new Casio coders around as a result. But even now PRIZM coding there is quiet, especially since the 84+CSE came out.

The 84+ is very popular among students it seems because check the high download stats on ticalc.org for simple games like Hangman. The question is: Will people be more interested to code it than the PRIZM in long terms?

Hopefully the Prime takes off when it comes out. It really has a lot of potential.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: Sorunome on January 29, 2014, 10:25:51 am
Looking back now, it seems our activity is pretty constant :)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 29, 2014, 10:57:56 am
True, although I wish we would have gotten that small spike in December like last year, but again last year the 84+CSE got leaked, and since it's a Z80 calc, this was pretty much inevitable that a big activity spike would occur. We also had a small spike in September or so IIRC, same for ticalc.org.

Unless every 2013 member including the ones still active are bots? O.O
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: Sorunome on January 29, 2014, 11:07:19 am
Well, FishBot is a bot :P

Also, i personally find this activity pretty decent :)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 29, 2014, 12:14:49 pm
It's pretty much like United-TI and MaxCoderz in their early forum days (2003-04), except that MaxCoderz had some extra activity from the infamous debate thread (about 5% of the entire board postcount and that excludes the posts prior their first data loss) and UTI had a spam section in 2004. That said it's far lower than MC's 2005 activity or our activity around 2010-11 when Nspire users basically outnumbered 84+ users. O.O
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: pimathbrainiac on January 29, 2014, 01:29:04 pm
Unless every 2013 member including the ones still active are bots? O.O

I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure I'm a bot.

I don't know that this is completely true, but I believe that we are more active than Cemetech at the moment (just by the amount of new posts every time I get on).
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: Sorunome on January 29, 2014, 01:31:08 pm
[...]
I don't know that this is completely true, but I believe that we are more active than Cemetech at the moment (just by the amount of new posts every time I get on).
Have that feeling too.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 29, 2014, 02:46:19 pm
Yeah it usually depends what happens. Generally we are less active during weekends and we get our back-to-school rush a few months later than them, so that can make a difference, and the contests as well.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: pimathbrainiac on January 29, 2014, 07:51:00 pm
So what you're saying is that we should have more contests! :D
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 29, 2014, 08:13:44 pm
Too much wouldn't be that good either, actually, because people would run out of time and it would get boring after a while.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: Joshuasm32 on January 30, 2014, 01:43:17 am
It seems that all TI related sites have been rolling downhill.  Schools have caught on to the fact that some calculators are programmable (or more likely that students know how to program them), and many have actually banned them calculators (the smarter students will make programs to solve problems and distribute them).  Also, people playing Fruit Ninja in math class didn't help.  :P  I would say that most of the audience here on Omnimaga is composed of teenagers, and I became interested in calculators and coding in general after getting a calculator for school.  If this trend continues, new users will stop coming to the site (my theory)...  I think that things should possibly be shifted more into the orientation of mainstream computer programming (rather than a couple of threads), which appears to be the more popular route today.

BTW, a UI change might help a lot, since most potential users will only join a site that looks high-tech and capable.  While I like the current layout just fine, Metro with some animations would be nice.  ;)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: ruler501 on January 30, 2014, 02:33:38 am
I would be happy if we had another competition. I could put up an amazon gift card($25) for it.
I'd like a computer competition, but anything that helps the community is good.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 30, 2014, 09:25:51 am
It seems that all TI related sites have been rolling downhill.  Schools have caught on to the fact that some calculators are programmable (or more likely that students know how to program them), and many have actually banned them calculators (the smarter students will make programs to solve problems and distribute them).  Also, people playing Fruit Ninja in math class didn't help.  :P  I would say that most of the audience here on Omnimaga is composed of teenagers, and I became interested in calculators and coding in general after getting a calculator for school.  If this trend continues, new users will stop coming to the site (my theory)...  I think that things should possibly be shifted more into the orientation of mainstream computer programming (rather than a couple of threads), which appears to be the more popular route today.

BTW, a UI change might help a lot, since most potential users will only join a site that looks high-tech and capable.  While I like the current layout just fine, Metro with some animations would be nice.  ;)
Actually this is why some computer sections were added a while ago. The site needs a free mobile theme that supports most important features, though, like most sites nowadays. Currently the mobile theme lacks image support, which is kinda important when it comes to calculator screenshots of projects and the only other option, which is Tapatalk, is not free.

But yeah eventually calcs will most likely disappear, although it was supposed to happen in 2008 or so and finally the community rebounded, thanks to the Ndless and Axe Parser craze back in 2010. For a real community revival it would really take a calculator with similar BASIC capabilities as the HP Prime, but made by TI (due to their monopoly).
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: Sorunome on January 30, 2014, 10:52:17 am
As we are switching to SMF2 the layout will change indeed, and i thought tapatalk was free by now.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: Scipi on January 30, 2014, 11:59:48 am
Tapatalk misses a lot of important features. It's like I'm interacting with the site with a thick pair of gloves on, really.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: pimathbrainiac on January 30, 2014, 01:18:01 pm
As we are switching to SMF2 the layout will change indeed, and i thought tapatalk was free by now.

Am I the only one who likes this layout? :P
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: Hayleia on January 30, 2014, 01:18:45 pm
As we are switching to SMF2 the layout will change indeed, and i thought tapatalk was free by now.

Am I the only one who likes this layout? :P
Nope, I like it too.
Title: Re: Re: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 30, 2014, 01:29:59 pm
As we are switching to SMF2 the layout will change indeed, and i thought tapatalk was free by now.
not anymore apparently.

And yeah tapatalk isn't always reliable. Most animated GIFs will not play if you click them and attachments do not work.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on February 19, 2014, 05:38:54 pm
2004 - 4 comments, 24 news (0.17 comments per news average)
2005 - 1292 comments, 210 news (6.15 comments per news average)
2006 - 1757 comments, 115 news (15.27 comments per news average)
2007 - 1422 comments, 85 news (16.73 comments per news average)
2008 - 426 comments, 37 news (11.51 comments per news average)
2009 - 1443 comments, 73 news (19.77 comments per news average)
2010 - 5513 comments, 216 news (25.52 comments per news average)
2011 - 10978 comments, 353 news (31.1 comments per news average)
2012 - 5617 comments, 208 news (27 comments per news average)
2013 - 3466 comments, 170 news (20.39 comments per news average)
2014 - 141 comments, 12 news (11.75 comments per news average)

Note that in 2007, 10% of the news comments were in the Doors CS 6.0 thread and in 2010-11, there were several TI scandals such as anti-downgrades resulting in a lot of 100-300 replies news. Also, it wasn't possible to comment on 2004 news and most 2005 ones until a few years ago (board merge)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: Sorunome on March 10, 2014, 11:53:06 am
Is it just me or is the site going down the slope again? :(
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 10, 2014, 12:37:27 pm
Yes it is. I think it has something to do with the lack of some features like an easier to browse new posts section and the lack of notifications on new topics in OmnomIRC. Also the broken links on other sites might not help.

Cemetech and ticalc.org seemed rather quiet as well, though, same for MoHPC, so it might be more of a community slump than just Omni.

Things might pick up again as people get used to the new Omni site, though, especially now that to register, you have the option of doing it with Facebook/twitter/etc, which takes less time (most people today are too lazy to fill registration forms anymore).
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: Eeems on March 10, 2014, 01:24:12 pm
Yes it is. I think it has something to do with the lack of some features like an easier to browse new posts section and the lack of notifications on new topics in OmnomIRC. Also the broken links on other sites might not help.

Cemetech and ticalc.org seemed rather quiet as well, though, same for MoHPC, so it might be more of a community slump than just Omni.

Things might pick up again as people get used to the new Omni site, though, especially now that to register, you have the option of doing it with Facebook/twitter/etc, which takes less time (most people today are too lazy to fill registration forms anymore).
New topic notifications in OIRC work. New posts have multiple different pages to view them omnimaga.org/unread omnimaga.org/recent omnimaga.org/replies

It is pretty much spring break for a lot of people which would account for the slower activity.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: Sorunome on March 10, 2014, 01:53:03 pm
The issue why the topic notifications didn't work was because some other code crashed on a new topic before the topic notification code was reached, thus never being executed.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 10, 2014, 05:50:32 pm
Ah right. Do you think it will be fixed soon, if not already? EDIT: Nvm I just saw Eeems' post.

Also one other issue I noticed from the Recent Posts feature is that topics listed shows the subject name of the latest post rather than the first. By seeing something such as "Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?" in the title bar, people who don't pay attention as much will not notice that only a post per topic is shown and think that individual posts are displayed one by one, making them think activity is actually worse than it actually is. Hopefully that issue won't be too hard to fix when the admins will be ready to implement the new "New Posts" feature.

It's still kinda low activity, though, considering it's March, which is normally busier in terms of amount of people who have time to visit the site. Things goes quieter in January, picks up again in March then goes quiet again in mid-April or so when everyone goes camping and stuff. But again, July activity didn't make much sense either, as July 2013 was unusually more active than most other months that year.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: Sorunome on March 10, 2014, 06:01:07 pm
Ah right. Do you think it will be fixed soon, if not already?
[...]
It is already fixed.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: Eeems on March 10, 2014, 06:02:28 pm
CoolioJazz is working on a replacement for recent posts that mimics the old style. You'll have to bug him about it.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 10, 2014, 06:03:55 pm
Aaah ok, I'll try to ask him when I see him around. Until the upgrade I didn't see him in #omnimaga for almost 2 years, though... O.O
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: Eeems on March 10, 2014, 08:46:01 pm
Aaah ok, I'll try to ask him when I see him around. Until the upgrade I didn't see him in #omnimaga for almost 2 years, though... O.O
He's been around. He mostly was in #IRP though. I also see him online on skype a ton.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 10, 2014, 08:52:10 pm
YEah I saw him on Starcraft II too lately  (only started to sign in again a few months ago, tho), but like a few years ago, he was idle most of the time. I could try to do squirrel-hunting on Skype, though.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: cooliojazz on March 10, 2014, 09:48:39 pm
Nuuuu, not being hunted and killed is a thing I would like to do  <_< But yeah, I haven't been terribly active on Omnimaga for a while now, lots of lurking. Yay.

As for the recent posts page, it's coming, but it's not here yet, so you'll just have to deal with what we have till I finish it, which will hopefully be fairly soon.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: Sorunome on October 26, 2014, 01:40:50 pm
Ok the activity is pretty low currently :(
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 26, 2014, 11:26:40 pm
Blame Streetwalrus parents :P

Although more CoT staff updates and more active ones would probably have helped since forums tend to keep their activity levels higher when the main team is engaged, not to mention Omnimaga often relied on staff and major community projects to stir activity. There are perhaps other things that could help the activity increase, although they might be harder, if not impossible, to change.


But yeah people can't claim that Omni activity levels are normal at this time of the year like I heard before. From what I notice, the main issue seems to be weekends, though. But of course we also lost the TI-Planet partnership so a massive part of the TI-Nspire discussion has moved to TI-Planet, plus some Nspire devs prefer to keep progress on their projects hidden now, in fear that TI uses it to block Ndless.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: Princetonlion.tibd on October 27, 2014, 12:16:04 am
I try to be as active as possible, and after hearing about the activity decrease tried to be more productive to help revive Omni and the 68k Community.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 27, 2014, 01:15:39 am
Of course keep in mind that quality>quantity though. I mean, it's fine if your posts aren't necessarily that long and if you just give feedback/suggestions on projects and stuff, but I still remember those quote pyramids in June and when you would ask questions in response to a post before even reading it :P
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: Princetonlion.tibd on October 27, 2014, 10:07:10 am
:P

Well, I was a newbie to forums then.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 28, 2014, 12:23:08 pm
It's ok, everyone gotta start somewhere after all. ;) But yeah I'm just making sure that people don't post more just for the sake of posting more and instead, keep their posting quality at the same level regardless of if they post more or not. And of course people who only try to rack up their post count with 1-word posts, although since people normally do this to reach the first rank, then this isn't a  big problem on Omnimaga :trollface:

On the other hand, getting to 400K posts before 2015 would be nice :P (even though it looks impossible without a massive influx of new members and projects)


EDIT: I'm still curious about how many posts a month Omnimaga had from 2005 to 2012 but without including spam posts.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: Eeems on October 28, 2014, 01:40:40 pm
It's ok, everyone gotta start somewhere after all. ;) But yeah I'm just making sure that people don't post more just for the sake of posting more and instead, keep their posting quality at the same level regardless of if they post more or not. And of course people who only try to rack up their post count with 1-word posts, although since people normally do this to reach the first rank, then this isn't a  big problem on Omnimaga :trollface:

On the other hand, getting to 400K posts before 2015 would be nice :P (even though it looks impossible without a massive influx of new members and projects)


EDIT: I'm still curious about how many posts a month Omnimaga had from 2005 to 2012 but without including spam posts.
You are free to look at http://www.omnimaga.org/stats for information without spam included. Also looking at http://status.ourl.ca/statsgraph.php I'm seeing a spike in posting starting up. I'm also seeing that our posting level seems pretty healthy still (ie: better then in 2005).
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 28, 2014, 05:03:04 pm
Oh I meant monthly stats without including spam. It varies from month to month and year to year because I remember during Summer 2007 or so, at one point in the daily active topics section, there were usually 2 or 3 posts in a random calculator thread and 30 posts in the Count to 8000 thread, so I was curious about which months were particularly spammy and which one had more constructive content. :P

And yeah the stats are better than in 2005 and even 2007 in some cases, although many 2005-06 posts have been deleted since then. In October 2005, for example, there used to be 1082 posts, but only 692 of those remains.


Basically what I was getting at is that we can compare stats how we want, but if, for example, in September 2006 80% of the posts were made in the spam section, then maybe 2014 isn't all that bad after all. And we all know about that one Jan 1st 2007 600+ post days :P
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: alberthrocks on October 28, 2014, 05:45:13 pm
It's ok, everyone gotta start somewhere after all. ;) But yeah I'm just making sure that people don't post more just for the sake of posting more and instead, keep their posting quality at the same level regardless of if they post more or not. And of course people who only try to rack up their post count with 1-word posts, although since people normally do this to reach the first rank, then this isn't a  big problem on Omnimaga :trollface:

On the other hand, getting to 400K posts before 2015 would be nice :P (even though it looks impossible without a massive influx of new members and projects)


EDIT: I'm still curious about how many posts a month Omnimaga had from 2005 to 2012 but without including spam posts.
You are free to look at http://www.omnimaga.org/stats for information without spam included. Also looking at http://status.ourl.ca/statsgraph.php I'm seeing a spike in posting starting up. I'm also seeing that our posting level seems pretty healthy still (ie: better then in 2005).
Hmm... I respectfully disagree! :D

I think activity has dropped for sure, and dunno if 2005 is a good year to compare to!

I was kinda curious, so I decided to take the data and play around with it. I did some graphing here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/103bIdsw7MekgSFi4eVkA6Y8eSbFDx4QcmvMFbnoQi8I/edit

The yearly data is probably the most indicative of activity decline...
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 28, 2014, 06:00:10 pm
@Alberthrocks: Keep in mind about the following (some of which I stated above):
-New members stats from 2012 to 2013 were inflated by spambots. Sometimes there were like 200 spambots signing up each day.
-2006-12 stats are greatly inflated by the spam forum. Sure, activity went down since 2011, but it's August 2012 onwards that should be more relevant because in 2006-07 there were sometimes more spam posts than quality content.
-A massive amount of 2005 posts have been deleted over the years due to duplicates and stuff. 2006 had a lot of deleted stuff as well since back then, any post that broke the rule or drama topics would get deleted, not to mention the entire links section which had 300+ topics.
-In 2010-11, we had the Axe and Ndless craze. The Ndless craze ended abruptly when OS 3.0.x pretty much alienated everyone.
-In late 2012-early 2013 we got the 84+CSE craze, although it was far smaller than Axe/Ndless.

I could maybe try something else, though *calls Archive.org to the rescue*, but even then the good post vs spammy content ratio fluctuated a lot depending of the period of the year so it wouldn't be that accurate.


EDIT:
May 12th 2005 to April 9th 2006:
-17092 posts (approximately 4093 spam posts, meaning under 12999 constructive posts)


April 10th 2006 to March 29th 2007:
-25712 (6813 spam, meaning 18899 real posts)

March 30th 2007 to Jan 1st 2008:
-12509 (1856 spam with the spam section closed for a part of the summer, meaning 10653 posts)


Some smaller data:
From April 10th 2006 to May 17th:
-4619 posts (602 in spam, meaning 4017 useful posts)

May 17th to June 13th 2006:
-2022 posts (740 in spam, meaning only 1282 useful posts)

June 14th 2006 to October 10th 2006:
-6841 posts (1732 in spam, meaning 5109 useful posts)

I can't check for the new board because the spam section has been invisible to guests since 2008.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: Eeems on October 28, 2014, 06:48:21 pm
I'm currently working on some graphs that show content based on boards etc that I'll follow up with here when I'm done.

@albert: while I agree we have been on a decline overall compared to when we were super active. We are still at a healthy point compared to other times in our history. I'll be worried if we get down to half the activity we have now.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 28, 2014, 06:59:20 pm
@Eeems to me the critical mark is under 1000 posts a month during school months, perhaps 800 during Summer. Under that when people come back from bed, school or work, sometimes there's not even a single new post and people start visiting less often. Under that is pretty hard to recover from, especially when 0-post days (which are next to impossible to recover from) start happening.


Besides, under 1000 posts a month means my music albums costs $6 <_< (they're $5 when we have from 1000 to 2499 posts and $4 when we have from 2500 to 4999. And they're even free if the site ever hits 12500 again!)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: Eeems on October 30, 2014, 12:16:09 pm
Well we are at 1454 posts this month, and we had 1684 last month. We aren't really in danger of even going under your critical mark yet.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 30, 2014, 01:03:34 pm
Yeah I think it's more next Fall that might be a problem. But of course in order to happen this requires the loss or massive drop in activity from at least 1 very active member or multiple of the most active ones. The opposite can happen when old users come back and are very active, but past experience told me that when old members come back, then their stay is usually short-lived (usually under a month)



EDIT: Monitoring the post bot daily to see if it's working (eg not be dependent on me reporting the issue every week) and doing the same with the channel linker bot (to relay messages from EFnet to Omninet or vice-versa) would also help.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: Matrefeytontias on October 30, 2014, 01:07:04 pm
For me it's quite paradoxal ; I started "post-bac" studies (France's after-highschool level) and should be having less free time but it's actually the contrary since I've got my own flat and I can do w/e I want, like sleeping at hours that were impossible before. So yeah, I'm not saying I'm super-active, but I am active. Also, for that very reason it's been a little while I programmed on-calc, since I have my PC with me all the time (school actually requires that I bring it). Don't worry though, I'm only programming calc-related stuff, just with ASM or C/C++ ;D

"Paradox" because holidays are when I have the most work to do. You don't want to hear about the homework they give in French prépas. Nooo you don't.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 30, 2014, 01:22:16 pm
On the other hand, I would suggest to at least make sure your grades stay up. I mean it's one thing to be super active here, but as long as it doesn't hurt your grades either (well, if you live somewhere where it's OK to get 80% score and you drop from 95 to 90 I guess it's fine but you get the idea). That said, I noticed that I am much less active during vacations than when I have work (probably because I have time to go out more and stuff).


Also Omni really needs to find a way to keep non-calc programmers around. We have computer projects section and Minecraft sub-forums to showcase creations, yet only XiiDraco and The King uses them respectively.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: Matrefeytontias on October 30, 2014, 01:25:10 pm
Actually I'm studying in a school system where 60% means very good. I must be around that right now. Also don't get me wrong, I still work more than I have fun these days.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 30, 2014, 01:33:49 pm
Ah ok that sounds like Quebec school system from back when I still had school. 60% is the passing mark, but some majors only accepts like 50 students so they pick the best ones, meaning you might sometimes need 80% to get in. I usually scored 70 during my early hi school days and around 80 near the end, and when I scored 80% that was when I spent most of my free time making music and coding calc games, sometimes even in class where I was good. In USA, some kids get grounded by their parents when they get under 99% O.O


The QUebec school system is not as great as back in 2003, though. Apparently it's possible to still pass and get your hi school diploma even if you fail some important tests like French because sometimes they just say "bah I'll let you pass anyway since you had 57%", and I heard that the overall difficulty and requirements have dropped since the last 8 years or so in order to reduce dropouts from school. This can actually make things worse because cegep/college is much more demanding than hi school when it comes to essays, projects and studying, so students will have an harder time to adapt.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: Eeems on October 30, 2014, 03:51:42 pm
EDIT: Monitoring the post bot daily to see if it's working (eg not be dependent on me reporting the issue every week) and doing the same with the channel linker bot (to relay messages from EFnet to Omninet or vice-versa) would also help.
We don't depend on you reporting if a bot isn't working correctly. It also doesn't happen every week you've only reported it around 3 times from my count.

Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 30, 2014, 10:55:14 pm
I think in one or two cases  I didn't use the report form (I think it was because I was worried about spamming the report form for the same issue over and over) so that would probably be 4 or 5 times at least. I was skeptical since each time it never seemed to get fixed until after I complained about the issue.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: Eeems on October 31, 2014, 02:09:22 pm
I think in one or two cases  I didn't use the report form (I think it was because I was worried about spamming the report form for the same issue over and over) so that would probably be 4 or 5 times at least. I was skeptical since each time it never seemed to get fixed until after I complained about the issue.
That's probably because you were the only one who noticed it yet. I've fixed it myself when I've noticed multiple times.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: aeTIos on November 03, 2014, 02:37:26 am
Do I see some sparks flying around there? Let's try not to pick on each other <_<
@eeems you know how DJ likes to exaggerate a bit :P such as saying I vanish for 3 months every year because I'm playing KSP. Wait, is that even an exaggeration?

Another good thing is that we now have our beloved activity pusher/resident slacker Streetwalrus back.
That plus I'm actually making posts instead of lurking.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on November 03, 2014, 02:41:21 am


DJ likes to exaggerate a bit :P such as saying I vanish for 3 months every year because I'm playing KSP. Wait, is that even an exaggeration?
Nope, although it would be more like 1-1.5 months (every January) :P


Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: Eeems on November 03, 2014, 12:20:01 pm
@eeems you know how DJ likes to exaggerate a bit :P such as saying I vanish for 3 months every year because I'm playing KSP. Wait, is that even an exaggeration?
Just because someone likes to exaggerate doesn't make it okay when what they are exaggerating on is calling into question the ability of others to properly do what they are suppose to do, which is what his statements are doing.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: Jonius7 on November 20, 2014, 05:30:33 am
Probably for me atm is that I only really post in the TInspire and Music forum sections mostly, and when I look at most other boards all I have to say is good job and not much more. Probably because I want to make my post seem like a contribution, rather than a one sentence post.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: pimathbrainiac on March 11, 2015, 08:29:59 pm
As I have been trying to revitalize the news section, and I've noticed two things:
1) Not many people comment on much of the news.
2) This is not common among the other sites, even with comparable news.

I'm worried, guys :(
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: Sorunome on March 12, 2015, 04:14:41 am
I guess we need more active users. Advertisements, anyone?

EDIT: I hope someone here will get the new CE and make some awesome stuff on it :p
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: pimathbrainiac on March 12, 2015, 09:24:39 am
That is absolutely true with the whole active users thing. While I am not a fan of advertisements, I feel we could take the Cemetech route and make flyers.

EDIT: Or we could work on a huge project of some sort, drawing people to the site...
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: Sorunome on March 12, 2015, 10:22:45 am
That is absolutely true with the whole active users thing. While I am not a fan of advertisements, I feel we could take the Cemetech route and make flyers.

EDIT: Or we could work on a huge project of some sort, drawing people to the site...
That's what I'm trying to do with reuben3
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: Juju on March 12, 2015, 12:23:56 pm
Indeed, I feel like Omni's activity decreased severely ever since we founded CodeWalrus. Note that it wasn't our goal at all. Oh well, yeah, find some nice project, I think I have an idea...
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: pimathbrainiac on March 12, 2015, 01:03:11 pm
That is absolutely true with the whole active users thing. While I am not a fan of advertisements, I feel we could take the Cemetech route and make flyers.

EDIT: Or we could work on a huge project of some sort, drawing people to the site...
That's what I'm trying to do with reuben3

I mean bigger. (like Axe was)
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: Juju on March 12, 2015, 01:35:51 pm
There we go, I'm starting a Cards Against Humanity project, see the other thread.
Title: Re: General Decrease in Omnimaga Activity from 2011 levels - What can we do?
Post by: pimathbrainiac on March 12, 2015, 03:27:52 pm
I'm thinking bigger still. We need something that would have impact, not just be a large project or game in terms of input.

It should be for color calcs (CE prolly) as well.

EDIT: in addition to monochrome, ofc.