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Title: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Juju on September 19, 2011, 10:58:02 pm
I know some people criticized some features, such as the rating system, so I need to know what we could do to improve Omnimaga so it would be more friendly and more drama-less. Any ideas are welcome.

Thanks.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: pianoman on September 19, 2011, 11:00:44 pm
I know some people criticized some features, such as the rating system, so I need to know what we could do to improve Omnimaga so it would be more friendly and more drama-less. Any ideas are welcome.

Thanks.
I think that adding politics to the list of things to not discuss here would be a good idea, seeing all of the flaming and locking of the recent politics topic.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Juju on September 19, 2011, 11:04:30 pm
Well, I meant something more concrete such as completely disabling the post ratings system and enforce the nDoom policy 12 months a year.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: pianoman on September 19, 2011, 11:07:32 pm
Well, I meant something more concrete such as completely disabling the post ratings system and enforce the nDoom policy 12 months a year.
Oops, sorry D:
About those, I would say that the post rating system actually can be, IMO, a rather good deterrent to trolling amongst most users (the true trolls will troll either way).
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: z80man on September 19, 2011, 11:07:46 pm
I know some people criticized some features, such as the rating system, so I need to know what we could do to improve Omnimaga so it would be more friendly and more drama-less. Any ideas are welcome.

Thanks.
I think that adding politics to the list of things to not discuss here would be a good idea, seeing all of the flaming and locking of the recent politics topic.
That was my fault to lock the politics topic a few nights ago. There were no other moderators online so I didn't have a chance to discuss whether or not it was needed. And I'm thinking that maybe a full ratings system is not needed. Our staff is usually very quick to respond to a crisis situation so negative ratings could be removed to prevent abuse and reduce drama. Positive ratings though should stay because they show how much a member has contributed to our community.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: alberthrocks on September 19, 2011, 11:08:03 pm
I know some people criticized some features, such as the rating system, so I need to know what we could do to improve Omnimaga so it would be more friendly and more drama-less. Any ideas are welcome.

Thanks.
I think that adding politics to the list of things to not discuss here would be a good idea, seeing all of the flaming and locking of the recent politics topic.
Nah... we've been able to handle these kinds of topics before. I think we just need better moderation - not to put any more pressure on you guys - but just a bit more emphasis on those hot topics. If we can handle religion topics, surely we can handle politics, right? :)

EDIT: I opt for a non-negative rating system - that is, you can't rate down posts, only up. Similar to the Cemetech username++ system, but a bit better. This method works on plenty of sites (like Engadget, powered by Disqus), so we might try it.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: yunhua98 on September 19, 2011, 11:08:44 pm
Omnimaga is very good as it is.  The recent problems are not caused by Omnimaga, but by trolls who don't like contributing constructively or by misunderstandings.  We must all figure out what exactly someone is saying before accusing them of something, and listen to his side of the argument.  To prevent events from snowballing, these debates should be discussed via PM as well.  If we all do this, there shouldn't be problems except with deliberate trolls, which is what the banhammer is for.  :P
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: pianoman on September 19, 2011, 11:09:02 pm
I know some people criticized some features, such as the rating system, so I need to know what we could do to improve Omnimaga so it would be more friendly and more drama-less. Any ideas are welcome.

Thanks.
I think that adding politics to the list of things to not discuss here would be a good idea, seeing all of the flaming and locking of the recent politics topic.
Nah... we've been able to handle these kinds of topics before. I think we just need better moderation - not to put any more pressure on you guys - but just a bit more emphasis on those hot topics. If we can handle religion topics, surely we can handle politics, right? :)
But aren't religion topics disallowed?
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Deep Toaster on September 19, 2011, 11:10:56 pm
I know some people criticized some features, such as the rating system, so I need to know what we could do to improve Omnimaga so it would be more friendly and more drama-less. Any ideas are welcome.

Thanks.
I think that adding politics to the list of things to not discuss here would be a good idea, seeing all of the flaming and locking of the recent politics topic.
Nah... we've been able to handle these kinds of topics before. I think we just need better moderation - not to put any more pressure on you guys - but just a bit more emphasis on those hot topics. If we can handle religion topics, surely we can handle politics, right? :)
But aren't religion topics disallowed?
Yeah, and so are politics threads. I personally think they're about the same in flame-friendliness.
Omnimaga is very good as it is.  The recent problems are not caused by Omnimaga, but by trolls who don't like contributing constructively or by misunderstandings.  We must all figure out what exactly someone is saying before accusing them of something, and listen to his side of the argument.  To prevent events from snowballing, these debates should be discussed via PM as well.  If we all do this, there shouldn't be problems except with deliberate trolls, which is what the banhammer is for.  :P
We don't want to use bans too much though.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: yunhua98 on September 19, 2011, 11:12:28 pm
I know some people criticized some features, such as the rating system, so I need to know what we could do to improve Omnimaga so it would be more friendly and more drama-less. Any ideas are welcome.

Thanks.
I think that adding politics to the list of things to not discuss here would be a good idea, seeing all of the flaming and locking of the recent politics topic.
Nah... we've been able to handle these kinds of topics before. I think we just need better moderation - not to put any more pressure on you guys - but just a bit more emphasis on those hot topics. If we can handle religion topics, surely we can handle politics, right? :)

EDIT: I opt for a non-negative rating system - that is, you can't rate down posts, only up. Similar to the Cemetech username++ system, but a bit better. This method works on plenty of sites (like Engadget, powered by Disqus), so we might try it.
quite a few people have suggested that, but since we run on SMF 1.1.4, and there aren't any mods for that, it isn't possible.
I know some people criticized some features, such as the rating system, so I need to know what we could do to improve Omnimaga so it would be more friendly and more drama-less. Any ideas are welcome.

Thanks.
I think that adding politics to the list of things to not discuss here would be a good idea, seeing all of the flaming and locking of the recent politics topic.
Nah... we've been able to handle these kinds of topics before. I think we just need better moderation - not to put any more pressure on you guys - but just a bit more emphasis on those hot topics. If we can handle religion topics, surely we can handle politics, right? :)
But aren't religion topics disallowed?
Yeah, and so are politics threads. I personally think they're about the same in flame-friendliness.
Omnimaga is very good as it is.  The recent problems are not caused by Omnimaga, but by trolls who don't like contributing constructively or by misunderstandings.  We must all figure out what exactly someone is saying before accusing them of something, and listen to his side of the argument.  To prevent events from snowballing, these debates should be discussed via PM as well.  If we all do this, there shouldn't be problems except with deliberate trolls, which is what the banhammer is for.  :P
We don't want to use bans too much though.
There aren't that many deliberate trolls though.  ;)
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: pianoman on September 19, 2011, 11:14:20 pm
I know some people criticized some features, such as the rating system, so I need to know what we could do to improve Omnimaga so it would be more friendly and more drama-less. Any ideas are welcome.

Thanks.
I think that adding politics to the list of things to not discuss here would be a good idea, seeing all of the flaming and locking of the recent politics topic.
Nah... we've been able to handle these kinds of topics before. I think we just need better moderation - not to put any more pressure on you guys - but just a bit more emphasis on those hot topics. If we can handle religion topics, surely we can handle politics, right? :)
But aren't religion topics disallowed?
Yeah, and so are politics threads. I personally think they're about the same in flame-friendliness.
Omnimaga is very good as it is.  The recent problems are not caused by Omnimaga, but by trolls who don't like contributing constructively or by misunderstandings.  We must all figure out what exactly someone is saying before accusing them of something, and listen to his side of the argument.  To prevent events from snowballing, these debates should be discussed via PM as well.  If we all do this, there shouldn't be problems except with deliberate trolls, which is what the banhammer is for.  :P
We don't want to use bans too much though.
Oh, I see. Thanks for the clarification :)
And the non-negative post system actually sounds pretty good, nice way of rewarding helpfulness and hard work.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: alberthrocks on September 19, 2011, 11:14:45 pm
Yeah, and so are politics threads. I personally think they're about the same in flame-friendliness.
Hmm... I thought there was a religious topic that never escaladed to extremeties. But maybe that's just me.
We don't want to use bans too much though.
Yeah, we already have quite a reputation of banning... :P
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: yunhua98 on September 19, 2011, 11:16:12 pm
And the non-negative post system actually sounds pretty good, nice way of rewarding helpfulness and hard work.
I think the negative part of it is a useful way to show you are offended or the poster is being rude.  That way you don't have to respond in a harsh way, instead just say you rated their post down and why.  Plus what I said above about it not being possible ATM.  ;)

Yeah, and so are politics threads. I personally think they're about the same in flame-friendliness.
Hmm... I thought there was a religious topic that never escaladed to extremeties. But maybe that's just me.
The Are you Christian Thread.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Darl181 on September 19, 2011, 11:16:18 pm
As far as I've noticed, the only time downrating gets to be a problem is when someone gets downrated and they make a production out of it...
I could be wrong, though.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: z80man on September 19, 2011, 11:18:11 pm
Yes the "Are you Christian" thread was probably the first thread ever to not get locked due to flaming but I account that mainly to Sir getting perm banned. And with the politics thread there has been debate but so far it hasn't escalated and is a good discussion.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: yunhua98 on September 19, 2011, 11:18:48 pm
Yes the "Are you Christian" thread was probably the first thread ever to not get locked due to flaming but I account that mainly to Sir getting perm banned. And with the politics thread there has been debate but so far it hasn't escalated and is a good discussion.
wait, why is the politics thread locked?
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Juju on September 19, 2011, 11:30:50 pm
Removing the dislike button would be an interesting idea.

Also the threads about religion and politics are allowed, unless it turns into a flame war.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: fb39ca4 on September 19, 2011, 11:34:04 pm
I think that is a good idea as well, when a bad post is made, people tend to speak out about it anyways rather than just thumb down it and nothing else.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: ztrumpet on September 19, 2011, 11:52:40 pm
What about a separate tally?  I.E. Instead of "Total Post Ratings:" have it be "Positive Ratings:" and "Negative Ratings:"
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: TIfanx1999 on September 20, 2011, 12:38:06 am
Omnimaga is very good as it is.  The recent problems are not caused by Omnimaga, but by trolls who don't like contributing constructively or by misunderstandings.  We must all figure out what exactly someone is saying before accusing them of something, and listen to his side of the argument.  To prevent events from snowballing, these debates should be discussed via PM as well.  If we all do this, there shouldn't be problems except with deliberate trolls, which is what the banhammer is for.  :P
I pretty much agree with this. Also, I think the rating system is fine as is personally. If you only had a plus for posts you liked it may as well be modified to be similar to "liking" someone's comment on facebook.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: NanoWar on September 20, 2011, 09:17:30 am
Removing the dislike button would be an interesting idea.
I would remove post rating all together. Feedback is a lot better when in words.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: JosJuice on September 20, 2011, 11:57:01 am
I don't really see the point of the rating system, so it would be fine to remove it. It might also be a good idea to not ban people unless they've done a lot of bad things (or something very large). The intent of bans is to get rid of troublemakers, which will make other people stay on the forum, but if too many people are banned, there won't be many people left on the forum. The easiest way to avoid bans is to only post when absolutely necessary (for example, only project updates). For some (including me), knowing that I might get banned makes me post less in discussions.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: TravisE on September 20, 2011, 12:34:42 pm
My opinion is that the rating system might be causing a fair amount of problems, but I think a larger amount of it has to do with the frequent misunderstandings and jumping to conclusions that someone is always trying to do something wrong on purpose that I see happen all too often. The practice of assuming good faith is absolutely essential if you want to maintain an environment that is to be “free of hostility” as it's put. That doesn't mean that nothing should be done to willing or repeat offenders, just that the full story needs to be known first without simply assuming things.

There is a fine line between keeping things friendly and trying so hard to do so that it backfires and ends up doing the exact opposite. JosJuice has an good point—bans should be used as sparingly as possible; potential offenders should be made sure they know that they are doing something that is disallowed without feeling like they are automatically being treated as a troublemaker even from the very first offense.

If you go too far, though, this is what happens: sensitive people like me stop using the rating system altogether after seeing more than one incident where people apparently got banned simply for rating posts up or down that a staff member disagrees with, get tempted to leave completely right now while we still can after seeing people threatened for leaving because it's seen as “drama” (though banning would seem to have little effect since the person is leaving anyway), stop participating or posting much because we feel like anything we say (including this post ;)) feels like somewhat of a risk of being misunderstood and blown up at, etc.

In other words, the spirit of the principles Omnimaga is founded on are reasonably sound, I think; the problem I see is that so much effort is put into attempting to reduce drama and problems that it backfires and only causes more.

There might be other things necessary, but I think that finding just the right balance between one extreme and the other could make a significant positive difference overall.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: thepenguin77 on September 20, 2011, 03:51:35 pm
As far as I've noticed, the only time downrating gets to be a problem is when someone gets downrated and they make a production out of it...
I could be wrong, though.

I agree. I like the rating system, but I don't think an individual post's rating should really be discussed. If some one makes a negative comment, but is not really bad enough for a moderator to take action on, a -1 on that post would let the author know that in general, that kind of behavior isn't what's expected at Omnimaga. If some one gets a big negative on a post, then they should just realize that what they did offended people, and try not to do it again. I think the rating system is a good way to provide subtle clues as to what should and shouldn't be posted here.

The only times I see it being a problem is if some one starts accusing other people of downrating their posts and makes a big deal out of it. But then, it is really the person doing the accusing who is abusing the system.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on September 22, 2011, 05:18:32 pm
Given experience from August 2008 to June 2009 (before the rating system existed), if the voting system was removed entirely, Omnimaga would need the nDoom policy 12 months a year. That said, I think that given there are more people here who supports the friendly environment for the site compared to back then, where there were about 6 active members, maybe it could work. However I think it would suck if rating was removed completely, since some people care a lot about it.

My suggestion would be to modify the rating mod to change the (http://omnimaga.org/Themes/default/images/gpbp_arrow_up.gif) icon with a Like/Dislike/+1 button and make the (http://omnimaga.org/Themes/default/images/gpbp_arrow_down.gif) redirect to the "Report to moderator" form, changing the icon with a ! or something. There would be two report links but it may encourage members to report posts more because sometimes there are just too many for mods to check.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Juju on September 22, 2011, 05:42:43 pm
Yeah, I agree, the Report to moderator button is not big enough and should be besides the post rating buttons with a /!\. And a system à la Facebook (only likes) would be interesting. I would still leave the dislike button though.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on September 22, 2011, 05:49:53 pm
Talking about the report button, I realized we couldn't report our own posts and the message I got was WTF :crazy:

But then I thought: Why the hell did they leave a report link on our own posts? Easter egg? ???

(http://djomni.57o9.org/random/postreport.png)
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Juju on September 22, 2011, 06:05:46 pm
Yeah it's kinda nonsense... Why they didn't removed the link like they did with post ratings?
/me lost for the countless time today...
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: imo_inx on September 22, 2011, 07:01:07 pm
It's there to scare n00bs.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on September 24, 2011, 07:48:35 pm
On a side note those were the old forum rules:

http://web.archive.org/web/20071021214437/http://omnimaga.org/index.php?act=boardrules

Note that the word filter was not there for very long, if I remember. If I recall correctly, it was only added because people complained the site was blocked everywhere by school filters. In fact I wonder if we ever even turned it ON altogether.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: flyingfisch on September 24, 2011, 08:52:01 pm
get a new theme!
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Darl181 on September 24, 2011, 08:54:49 pm
Hm I kind of like the omni theme.  There's the older ones too, tho v5 (current default) is the best one imo :D

(iirc there was going to be a 10th anniversary one, idk if that's happening or not)
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on September 24, 2011, 09:28:06 pm
I personally hate the default SMF and IPB themes, so we're most likely not gonna get those. Also I feel pretty offended by the way your comment was put, considering the amount of work I put in the five themes installed on Omni (although the 2006 remix was partly made by master jc). You might like the 2.5 theme though, which is selectable on the main page.

Also Darl181 I don't think you want a 10th anniversary theme. If we had something themed to 2001 Omnimaga colors it would be pretty much like the colors in my avatar O.O
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: boot2490 on September 24, 2011, 09:38:18 pm
Hmm... how...
If there were some way to include RFGUM (http://userbars.removedfromgame.com/index.php) integration, so it would be easier to update userbars, that would be nice. Like have a RFGUM lite widget that automatically adds your userbars to your sig or something.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on September 27, 2011, 02:49:38 pm
By the way for the rating system, I thought about something that e-mails you when one of your post gets rated down and it reaches a negative value, telling you to double-ckeck your post in case it might be breaking rules, and that system would have flood control so it only notifies you once per 6 hour or so, in the case of a rating system vandalism. However I think this might cause too many misleading e-mails caused by people who accidentally downrates a post instead of uprating it, because they clicked the wrong icon.

So I was wondering instead if it would be very hard to code a new forum section that lets you list which of your own posts have negative ratings, only visible to the post author, kinda like the post attachment list. It would obviously link to each post. In addition to that, on forum pages somewhere it could display if you have posts that are rated down and to check them in case.

Moderator access would be welcome for such feature too I guess, in case a member reports a vandalism attack then moderators need to check.

The other solution would be to download the SMF 2.0 rating mod and modify it for SMF 1.1.15, but that might be a lot more work, not to mention that version has creepy-stalker features that could potentially start fights (such as the ability to know who exactly rated your posts down)
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Darl181 on September 27, 2011, 02:51:48 pm
Also Darl181 I don't think you want a 10th anniversary theme. If we had something themed to 2001 Omnimaga colors it would be pretty much like the colors in my avatar O.O
Lol..that would be intersting.

Hmm... how...
If there were some way to include RFGUM (http://userbars.removedfromgame.com/index.php) integration, so it would be easier to update userbars, that would be nice. Like have a RFGUM lite widget that automatically adds your userbars to your sig or something.
btw, RFG is by an omnimaga member and is linked under the Misc section ;)
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on September 27, 2011, 02:54:58 pm
On a side note I have tried a 2001 themed Omni before, around 2006 I think. I even have some of the images, IIRC. It was definitively terrible. Also in 2007 I think we used a different banner/logo for one week during Omni anniversary, which included my avatar, and the Omni logo was pretty similar to the one in my avatar, although the fonts were different, especially the N

EDIT: Darl181 here's a preview of what a 10th anniversary theme could have looked like >.< http://z15.invisionfree.com/missiletest/index.php (Unused 2006 theme)
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Happybobjr on September 27, 2011, 03:28:36 pm
ya, i downrate half the posts i try to uprate :/
I vote to move the thumb down and thumb up buttons to be 1 or two more pixels appart to make omnimaga better.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: flyingfisch on September 27, 2011, 03:32:34 pm
I personally hate the default SMF and IPB themes, so we're most likely not gonna get those. Also I feel pretty offended by the way your comment was put, considering the amount of work I put in the five themes installed on Omni (although the 2006 remix was partly made by master jc). You might like the 2.5 theme though, which is selectable on the main page.

Also Darl181 I don't think you want a 10th anniversary theme. If we had something themed to 2001 Omnimaga colors it would be pretty much like the colors in my avatar O.O

I'm sorry about the way I put that comment, I was in a hurry. :S
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Ashbad on September 27, 2011, 03:56:30 pm
I know some people criticized some features, such as the rating system, so I need to know what we could do to improve Omnimaga so it would be more friendly and more drama-less. Any ideas are welcome.

Thanks.

- Lowering OmnomIRC posting limits, from like 40 to 5; maybe it'll bring out more trolls, but it'll stop alienating newcomers into thinking they're just stupid noobs who must be trolls, and perhaps will get out of the mindset that mass posting to get more posts at expense of content == bad.

- Let sarcasm go a bit more freely, I must say that it's painful that you get warned for cracking a snide remark.  That in itself is rather alienating.

- post rating system--

- Spam topic opens up to newcomers at 5 posts rather than 100 (why would it ever be that high?  If you want to keep a thread secret, why not a "secret stuff" sub forum?)

- Techniques against drama spreading techniques, like advising people to take drama to PMs, and give warnings/bans if people flame publically time and time again?

- Rules against posting private logs in public, without permission of all involved parties.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on September 27, 2011, 04:13:00 pm
1) OmnomIRC post limits used to be 20 and it only caused problems. The current setup is also insecure to be set this low, due to lack of proper ban/anti-bot system. I also do not see any problem with people being alienated into thinking they're noobs or automatically labelled as troll. Also I do not see any issue with mass posting. After all if someone spams he gets warned, anyway, and his post count can be reset to 0 (which we did not have to do so far)

2) No. Omni was meant to be free of hostility and this is why many people come here instead of other sites. I created Omnimaga because people were tired of lack of respect at other places, so at least they had one alternative. It's not going to change anytime soon (we tried in 2009 and people threatened to leave). If you don't like forums where you cannot purposely offend people, go elsewhere. This is something that will never change.

3) This is being discussed, but removing the post rating system completely will increase trolling, as it did before it was instated in 2009. Basically, no post rating system == forced to re-instate the nDoom policy.

4) It's set to 100 posts, else it made people like BOB! stick around more, and we don't want a secret sub-forum, because it will be a pain to manually setup 1000 forum members to be able to view it one by one.

5) Quite ironic you would suggest that considering most of the public drama starting was by you. Besides, public drama rules already exists anyway, I saw Qwerty.55 and Eeems enforce them often before.

6) IMHO you shouldn't try to hide stuff. Rules against posting logs in public are only when the person is trying to hide something wrong he did. IMHO if you do something wrong, we should not be forced to hide it in attempt to protect you.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Ashbad on September 27, 2011, 04:17:41 pm
2) K, whatever, it kind of discriminates on more people than you think.  Your guy's decision though.

5) aren't you breaking that rule right now, for explicitly causing drama when not needed?

6) Well, let's say *you* were the one at fault, and someone posted every private thing you've ever said.  Would *you* like it?  All it does is increase drama.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on September 27, 2011, 04:20:44 pm
2) Has been around for half a decade. Sure, it makes certain people like Kllrnohj not join, but that's our decision to not allow such comments. As I said, if you don't like it, why do you even posting here anymore? I'm thinking about starting a petition to force you to leave Omnimaga forever or get you banned, because i'm fucking sick to death of you, who come on Omni for the sole purpose of ruining my life and mental state.

5) Well I guess you are right on that one. The problem though is that you do everything to make me mad. Doing everything to make me mad on purpose == trolling

6) This happened before, and while it was a bit frustrating at first, then I realized I deserved it.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: BlakPilar on September 27, 2011, 04:20:44 pm
...out of the mindset that mass posting to get more posts at expense of content == bad.

I agree with this. Whole-heartedly.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on September 27, 2011, 04:21:08 pm
Well as I said BlakPilar, we had no problem with mass posting so far.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: BlakPilar on September 27, 2011, 04:22:29 pm
I know it's not really a "problem," per se, but I personally think it's annoying when I see an awesome topic and there's a post by someone that just says "Cool" or whatever. That's just my opinion, though.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Ashbad on September 27, 2011, 04:23:52 pm
2) Has been around for half a decade. Sure, it makes certain people like Kllrnohj not join, but that's our decision to not allow such comments. As I said, if you don't like it, why do you even posting here anymore? I'm thinking about starting a petition to force you to leave Omnimaga forever or get you banned, because i'm fucking sick to death of you, who come on Omni for the sole purpose of ruining my life and mental state.

5) Well I guess you are right on that one. The problem though is that you do everything to make me mad. Doing everything to make me mad on purpose == trolling

6) This happened before, and while it was a bit frustrating at first, then I realized I deserved it.

Please realize, I have more important things to do than pick on you and "hurt your mental state".  :/ it's really at the bottom of my list right now.  This is a constructive thread, so all I'm trying to do is come up with some constructive criticism.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: AngelFish on September 27, 2011, 04:24:08 pm
Quote
I'm thinking about starting a petition to force you to leave Omnimaga forever or get you banned, because i'm fucking sick to death of you, who come on Omni for the sole purpose of ruining my life and mental state.

If you two keep dragging every topic to this, then I'll personally start a petition to get you both banned.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on September 27, 2011, 04:27:29 pm
Well go ahead Qwerty. I know you wanted me gone since the beginning and you hate me. Everytime you try to censor me and you tried since the beginning to protect SirCmpwn and Ashbad like if they are perfect and never did anything wrong.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Ashbad on September 27, 2011, 04:29:49 pm
Well go ahead Qwerty. I know you wanted me gone since the beginning and you hate me. Everytime you try to censor me and you tried since the beginning to protect SirCmpwn and Ashbad like if they are perfect and never did anything wrong.

Qwerty only has the best interest of Omnimaga in mind, please don't attack him personally.  Again, please realize I'm just trying to be constructive; I have no goal of going after you personally.  And again, if you want to talk it over, *PM me please*.  I can find time to discuss this.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Hot_Dog on September 27, 2011, 05:41:37 pm
Part of the problem with allowing sarcasm more freely is this is an online site.  DJ_O and I have both noted that when you speak to each other face-to-face, it's easy to detect sarcasm and joking, because you can see a person's face and hear his tone and know he's making a friendly remark.  Online, however, it's harder to tell.  Some people are very sensitive, so if a comment isn't detected as sarcasm, they might be hurt--and we sometimes read it and think "Are you trying to bash this person?"

I see your side, Ashbad, but because it's hard for some people to detect sarcasm, and because we want to avoid people feeling hurt by this website, I don't see us changing this in the future.  Believe me, it's nothing personal.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: ztrumpet on September 27, 2011, 05:51:10 pm
(Keep in mind that these are my views and my not represent the opinions of Omnimaga staff as a whole.)
By the way for the rating system, I thought about something that e-mails you when one of your post gets rated down and it reaches a negative value, telling you to double-ckeck your post in case it might be breaking rules, and that system would have flood control so it only notifies you once per 6 hour or so, in the case of a rating system vandalism. However I think this might cause too many misleading e-mails caused by people who accidentally downrates a post instead of uprating it, because they clicked the wrong icon.

So I was wondering instead if it would be very hard to code a new forum section that lets you list which of your own posts have negative ratings, only visible to the post author, kinda like the post attachment list. It would obviously link to each post. In addition to that, on forum pages somewhere it could display if you have posts that are rated down and to check them in case.
This would be awesome, if we could get it to work.  I remember asking for this before and being told that it was too hard, so we never added such a system.  I'd love to see an attempt at adding it made again, though. :)
- Lowering OmnomIRC posting limits, from like 40 to 5; maybe it'll bring out more trolls, but it'll stop alienating newcomers into thinking they're just stupid noobs who must be trolls, and perhaps will get out of the mindset that mass posting to get more posts at expense of content == bad.
Personally, I think this is a great idea.  I pains me to see new members that already show massive potential alienated from Omnom.  I think the good outweighs the bad here as well.
- Spam topic opens up to newcomers at 5 posts rather than 100 (why would it ever be that high?  If you want to keep a thread secret, why not a "secret stuff" sub forum?)
I think this is another awesome idea.  The spam section likely will not go all the way down to 5 posts (I see it more at 40 or 50), but a "secret stuff" subforum that opens up at 250 posts or so in an incredible idea.  I really, really like it.
Thanks for the ideas!
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: boot2490 on September 27, 2011, 05:59:26 pm
I actually really want to emphasize integration with a userbar generator, most of all RemovedFromGame Userbar Manager. But advertising aside, It would be easier for everybody, and ther could even be an automatic signature updater so it would be easier. As programmers, and geeks, we need lots of userbars for projects and things we are fans of. I think it would make Omni a little better, though not significantly.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Happybobjr on September 27, 2011, 06:50:46 pm
Quote
I'm thinking about starting a petition to force you to leave Omnimaga forever or get you banned, because i'm fucking sick to death of you, who come on Omni for the sole purpose of ruining my life and mental state.

If you two keep dragging every topic to this, then I'll personally start a petition to get you both banned.

If joke.  Funny.
If not.  A little to harsh man.

Any way we can have blocked members?  I mean like one person only see's ***********..... of that somebody's post.   I know what i am trying to say :/
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Juju on September 27, 2011, 07:03:00 pm
(Keep in mind that these are my views and my not represent the opinions of Omnimaga staff as a whole.)
By the way for the rating system, I thought about something that e-mails you when one of your post gets rated down and it reaches a negative value, telling you to double-ckeck your post in case it might be breaking rules, and that system would have flood control so it only notifies you once per 6 hour or so, in the case of a rating system vandalism. However I think this might cause too many misleading e-mails caused by people who accidentally downrates a post instead of uprating it, because they clicked the wrong icon.

So I was wondering instead if it would be very hard to code a new forum section that lets you list which of your own posts have negative ratings, only visible to the post author, kinda like the post attachment list. It would obviously link to each post. In addition to that, on forum pages somewhere it could display if you have posts that are rated down and to check them in case.
This would be awesome, if we could get it to work.  I remember asking for this before and being told that it was too hard, so we never added such a system.  I'd love to see an attempt at adding it made again, though. :)
- Lowering OmnomIRC posting limits, from like 40 to 5; maybe it'll bring out more trolls, but it'll stop alienating newcomers into thinking they're just stupid noobs who must be trolls, and perhaps will get out of the mindset that mass posting to get more posts at expense of content == bad.
Personally, I think this is a great idea.  I pains me to see new members that already show massive potential alienated from Omnom.  I think the good outweighs the bad here as well.
- Spam topic opens up to newcomers at 5 posts rather than 100 (why would it ever be that high?  If you want to keep a thread secret, why not a "secret stuff" sub forum?)
I think this is another awesome idea.  The spam section likely will not go all the way down to 5 posts (I see it more at 40 or 50), but a "secret stuff" subforum that opens up at 250 posts or so in an incredible idea.  I really, really like it.
Thanks for the ideas!
I like those ideas as well. IMHO, DJ_O is a great guy, he keeps giving us suggestions for the site, even while he don't even feel like being on it. The problem here is when he loses his sanity, sadly.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: mrmprog on September 27, 2011, 10:07:11 pm
Not to create a quote pyramid, but I also agree with these ideas. I think that they could help our site.

(Keep in mind that these are my views and my not represent the opinions of Omnimaga staff as a whole.)
By the way for the rating system, I thought about something that e-mails you when one of your post gets rated down and it reaches a negative value, telling you to double-ckeck your post in case it might be breaking rules, and that system would have flood control so it only notifies you once per 6 hour or so, in the case of a rating system vandalism. However I think this might cause too many misleading e-mails caused by people who accidentally downrates a post instead of uprating it, because they clicked the wrong icon.

So I was wondering instead if it would be very hard to code a new forum section that lets you list which of your own posts have negative ratings, only visible to the post author, kinda like the post attachment list. It would obviously link to each post. In addition to that, on forum pages somewhere it could display if you have posts that are rated down and to check them in case.
This would be awesome, if we could get it to work.  I remember asking for this before and being told that it was too hard, so we never added such a system.  I'd love to see an attempt at adding it made again, though. :)
- Lowering OmnomIRC posting limits, from like 40 to 5; maybe it'll bring out more trolls, but it'll stop alienating newcomers into thinking they're just stupid noobs who must be trolls, and perhaps will get out of the mindset that mass posting to get more posts at expense of content == bad.
Personally, I think this is a great idea.  I pains me to see new members that already show massive potential alienated from Omnom.  I think the good outweighs the bad here as well.
- Spam topic opens up to newcomers at 5 posts rather than 100 (why would it ever be that high?  If you want to keep a thread secret, why not a "secret stuff" sub forum?)
I think this is another awesome idea.  The spam section likely will not go all the way down to 5 posts (I see it more at 40 or 50), but a "secret stuff" subforum that opens up at 250 posts or so in an incredible idea.  I really, really like it.
Thanks for the ideas!
I like those ideas as well. IMHO, DJ_O is a great guy, he keeps giving us suggestions for the site, even while he don't even feel like being on it. The problem here is when he loses his sanity, sadly.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: shmibs on September 28, 2011, 02:02:33 am
i am a fan of the spam forum/hidden forum split, as it's already being used for both those purposes. however, 250 posts seems like a high amount to use. i don't see why it should change from the current 100, which seems to have worked just fine until now.

another concern i have is all the past threads which were posted in spam in order to prevent them from becoming public, but would suddenly become readily available. moving all of those to the new, hidden forum would be quite an ordeal.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: JosJuice on September 28, 2011, 02:26:48 am
I also do not see any problem with people being alienated into thinking they're noobs or automatically labelled as troll.
So you're willing to discourage all new members? Isn't that what Omnimaga has been trying to avoid all along?
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Juju on September 28, 2011, 02:35:20 am
I also do not see any problem with people being alienated into thinking they're noobs or automatically labelled as troll.
So you're willing to discourage all new members? Isn't that what Omnimaga has been trying to avoid all along?
He wanted to say that he didn't saw any member being alienated into thinking they're noobs or automatically labelled as troll... Woah that was the opposite of what he wanted to say. Stupid epic grammar fail.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: JosJuice on September 28, 2011, 02:40:59 am
I also do not see any problem with people being alienated into thinking they're noobs or automatically labelled as troll.
So you're willing to discourage all new members? Isn't that what Omnimaga has been trying to avoid all along?
He wanted to say that he didn't saw any member being alienated into thinking they're noobs or automatically labelled as troll... Woah that was the opposite of what he wanted to say. Stupid epic grammar fail.
Oh! That makes much more sense. Sorry if my comment seemed rude...
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: boot2490 on September 29, 2011, 07:02:55 pm
I know that this suggestion is one that I keep stressing, even though it is not really that important, but
We need rfg userbar manager integration! Userbars are too hard to use atm.

P.S. how come I always make the post that starts the new page?
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Ashbad on September 29, 2011, 07:04:53 pm
I know that this suggestion is one that I keep stressing, even though it is not really that important, but
We need rfg userbar manager integration! Userbars are too hard to use atm.

P.S. how come I always make the post that starts the new page?

How are they hard to use?  You just copy the img URL into your signature between two [img] tags, and ta-dah.  Not much simpler it can get than that.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Darl181 on September 29, 2011, 07:06:22 pm
I know that this suggestion is one that I keep stressing, even though it is not really that important, but
We need rfg userbar manager integration! Userbars are too hard to use atm.
Hmm... how...
If there were some way to include RFGUM (http://userbars.removedfromgame.com/index.php) integration, so it would be easier to update userbars, that would be nice. Like have a RFGUM lite widget that automatically adds your userbars to your sig or something.

btw, RFG is by an omnimaga member and is linked under the Misc section ;)
:P

You know, there's a separate manager, http://userbars.removedfromgame.com/generator.php
It's dynamic, so all you have to do is change the text in your sig and bam.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: boot2490 on September 29, 2011, 07:10:27 pm
Yeah.
There should be an option for notifications to show up in your profile, but not your email. Since two weeks ago, I got almost 500 emails from omni. However, I still want to see when something I am following is replied to. Also, you should be able to more easily access your notifications. I hate going through my profile. Same goes for profile settings is for editing sigs and stuff.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Happybobjr on September 29, 2011, 08:31:59 pm
Idea: make the quote and the thumb up/down buttons one more pxl apart.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Darl181 on September 29, 2011, 08:34:44 pm
Idea: make the quote and the thumb up/down buttons one more pxl apart.
Adding on: if possible, have thumbs-up/thumbs-down icons a bit further apart, I keep accidentally voting posts down x.x
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: parserp on September 29, 2011, 11:54:03 pm
I haven't read all the replies, so excuse this one if it was already said.
There should be a "jump to" bar thing at the bottom of the home page.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: sammyMaX on September 30, 2011, 06:25:13 pm
Could we make it so that you could see which posts people have voted you on? I just came across this problem when I got a SECOND +1 (OMG) and I can't find which post it is. I know, some people have a lot more post ratings than me, but I'm sure some system could be implemented.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Deep Toaster on September 30, 2011, 06:34:23 pm
It's been suggested many times, but there's no way to do it :/
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: sammyMaX on September 30, 2011, 07:36:39 pm
Awww, that's disappointing... :(
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: mrmprog on September 30, 2011, 09:34:46 pm
On the topic of a "secret" forum, perhaps you could be able to use it if your respect is more than 10, instead of posts.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Deep Toaster on October 01, 2011, 12:36:13 am
Why should it be secret though? (I haven't read through all the posts in this thread, so forgive me if the answer is in an obvious place.)
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Yeong on October 01, 2011, 10:10:07 am
we need to add !rickroll
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: yunhua98 on October 01, 2011, 02:36:49 pm
that could get potentially spammy.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Scipi on October 01, 2011, 02:46:18 pm
What if we made the new posts section have different sections? So we could find new posts via, projects, user created content, other, etc.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Eeems on October 01, 2011, 04:00:34 pm
What if we made the new posts section have different sections? So we could find new posts via, projects, user created content, other, etc.
I don't think that the front page thing can handle different sections.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Darl181 on October 01, 2011, 04:31:17 pm
I think what he meant was the New Posts (http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?action=ezportal;sa=page;p=5) page, having the separate board split apart.  That would prolly be yet another smf mod tho x.x
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Eeems on October 01, 2011, 04:53:16 pm
I think what he meant was the New Posts (http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?action=ezportal;sa=page;p=5) page, having the separate board split apart.  That would prolly be yet another smf mod tho x.x
Oh whoops, misread that lol.
Yeah I don't think that is very easy to do.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: NecroBumpist on October 01, 2011, 05:45:06 pm
On the Profile -> Show Posts page, can each post also show its respective rating?
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: sammyMaX on October 01, 2011, 05:48:41 pm
On the Profile -> Show Posts page, can each post also show its respective rating?
I agree, this should be done.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: boot2490 on October 01, 2011, 09:12:46 pm
We really need notifications for when we are up/downvoted.
And you should be able to get notifications on your profile as well as your email, and be able to toggle the two for different types of notifications.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Darl181 on October 01, 2011, 11:09:22 pm
Just had an idea.  You know how firefox has different channels for updating, with betas/stable releases/etc?
Maybe we could do something like that for OmnomIRC.  People would choose to use the latest version, perhaps by an option in their profile or something.  When it's assured the latest version is stable, it becomes the standard.
This way people could just use the previous stable version of omnom when stuff happens/is changed :)
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Deep Toaster on October 01, 2011, 11:14:02 pm
Just had an idea.  You know how firefox has different channels for updating, with betas/stable releases/etc?
Maybe we could do something like that for OmnomIRC.  People would choose to use the latest version, perhaps by an option in their profile or something.  When it's assured the latest version is stable, it becomes the standard.
This way people could just use the previous stable version of omnom when stuff happens/is changed :)
That would involve keeping several versions online, wouldn't it? But then I guess that's a way to back up, anyway :D
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: p2 on October 02, 2011, 06:43:28 am
It would be great to see a list, WHEN and WHERE you got a +1 or a -1 because else it's sometimes difficult to find out where you got the latest +1
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: TIfanx1999 on October 02, 2011, 07:04:35 am
Keep in mind a lot of these suggestions would probably require SMF mods and not be that easy to do. Not to discourage anyone from making suggestions, (feel free to keep the coming) just keep in mind that some of them they may be difficult to implement.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: p2 on October 02, 2011, 10:03:28 am
Yeah, but I think it won't be so hard (We can already see our last posts! Why not our last recieved +1 and -1??)
I think it'll be only a modification of the "latest Posts of this Person"

But, (You're right) I really don't know how hard it will be to make that in reality!
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Deep Toaster on October 02, 2011, 12:40:27 pm
Something I would personally find useful would be an [edit] tag that formats an edit automatically. Might take another forum mod though :/
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Happybobjr on October 02, 2011, 02:05:46 pm
Yeah, but I think it won't be so hard (We can already see our last posts! Why not our last recieved +1 and -1??)
I think it'll be only a modification of the "latest Posts of this Person"

But, (You're right) I really don't know how hard it will be to make that in reality!

How about we just see a +-# in the lasts posts page.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: p2 on October 03, 2011, 07:25:15 am
That would be a good idea, too!!
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 04, 2011, 11:51:31 pm
We really need notifications for when we are up/downvoted.
And you should be able to get notifications on your profile as well as your email, and be able to toggle the two for different types of notifications.
Well the problem with that is that if someone downrates about 100 of your posts or if the forums is very busy one day and several people change your rating, you'll be spammed like there's no tomorrow
Keep in mind a lot of these suggestions would probably require SMF mods and not be that easy to do. Not to discourage anyone from making suggestions, (feel free to keep the coming) just keep in mind that some of them they may be difficult to implement.
This, which is why many suggestions in the past were not implemented x.x (or not in time before I retire)
I think what he meant was the New Posts (http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?action=ezportal;sa=page;p=5) page, having the separate board split apart.  That would prolly be yet another smf mod tho x.x
Oh whoops, misread that lol.
Yeah I don't think that is very easy to do.
That was actually an idea I had a while ago, although indeed it would have been hard to do. I asked the mod author if he could implement this, to no avail.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Darl181 on October 11, 2011, 06:43:26 pm
This kind of got lost and forgotten in a deluge of newer posts, so I'll put it here as well..
Can the Quick Modify button be given an alt text?  Since http omni is blocked here at school the button doesn't load unless it's in the cache..I keep thinking it's working then it disappears x.x
The vote up/down buttons have this, but the quick modify doesn't :\
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: boot2490 on October 11, 2011, 07:30:44 pm
We need to be able to see what posts get rated of ours!
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Scipi on October 11, 2011, 07:34:15 pm
You know, something with that. Can't we just put in code in the function that runs for the rating to get the info of the post it's on then save that to a location for the user to see later?

(If you can understand that, you are a god. If not, sorry I'm bad at explaining things) :P
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: boot2490 on October 11, 2011, 07:40:35 pm
I understood!
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 11, 2011, 10:39:31 pm
It's not that it would be hard, but more the fact that figuring out where's the post rating code to copy into that section of the board then managing to do it successfully will take time, which is an issue when most admins are busy with school and work or do not know how to do it.

Also Boot2490 usually when one of your post gets rated down it's often a recent one, from what I've noticed. While being able to see which one of your post got rated down, it is your job to be careful about what you post on the forums to prevent downratings. For example your post above is kinda narrow-minded, considering we run this forum without getting paid and have a life outside Omnimaga. We are not at your mercy here. A few other hints of downratings is one of the post you got criticised on in the cyberbullying thread and some older ones in the Elimination thread.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Scipi on October 12, 2011, 06:41:02 am
Ok, thanks for the explanation. I would just always hear people say it's impossible or requires a SMF mod, but overall to anyone who has the knowledge and time it would actually be quite simple to make a workaround like that.

Usually it's easy to figure out which posts were downrated, but substantially harder to see which were uprated. Which is what I'm personally interested in.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: boot2490 on October 12, 2011, 04:27:57 pm
I also want to see where I keep getting rated up. I have plus two or three now.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Darl181 on October 13, 2011, 02:31:02 pm
This kind of got lost and forgotten in a deluge of newer posts, so I'll put it here as well..
Can the Quick Modify button be given an alt text?  Since http omni is blocked here at school the button doesn't load unless it's in the cache..I keep thinking it's working then it disappears x.x
The vote up/down buttons have this, but the quick modify doesn't :\
...and again >.<
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 13, 2011, 02:32:07 pm
Hmm alt text would definitively be a good idea. For the thumbs up/down icons I guess "Like" and "Dislike" would work as alt text, although I'm unsure if tghis requires modifying the code.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Darl181 on October 13, 2011, 02:34:10 pm
Well, atm it says
Quote from: thingy
0 Vote Down Vote Up
With "vote down" and "vote up" being links, and says "Voted up" when voted up and vice-versa.
So it's not just part of the image or something?
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 13, 2011, 02:39:54 pm
Oh ok so it has an alt text already. It's part of the HTML code. I think in the IMG tag there's the alt or title option.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Darl181 on October 13, 2011, 02:46:48 pm
Code: (page source) [Select]
<img src="/Themes/omnimaga4/images/icons/modify_inline.gif" alt="" align="right" [...]Maybe all that has to be done is something after alt= ;D
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: boot2490 on October 13, 2011, 03:06:53 pm
Code: (page source) [Select]
<img src="/Themes/omnimaga4/images/icons/modify_inline.gif" alt="Text blah blah" align="right" [...]
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Hayleia on October 21, 2011, 01:52:48 pm
I thought about a feature that could be useful: a music/sound player. As it can mean anything I'll explain exactly what I mean.
When we make a screenshot, we can attach it here and people can see it, or host it anywhere and [img] it so people see it.
When we make a video, we can host it on youtube and [youtube] it so people see it.
But when we make a music/sound/record/anything-like-that, we attach it to a post and the only way to listen to it is to download.
So my idea would be to make a music/sound/etc player integrated to the website, so we can listen to the posted music/etc that people host here.
That would be great if possible :D (but sounds impossible -.-°)
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Juju on October 21, 2011, 04:05:00 pm
I thought about a feature that could be useful: a music/sound player. As it can mean anything I'll explain exactly what I mean.
When we make a screenshot, we can attach it here and people can see it, or host it anywhere and [img] it so people see it.
When we make a video, we can host it on youtube and [youtube] it so people see it.
But when we make a music/sound/record/anything-like-that, we attach it to a post and the only way to listen to it is to download.
So my idea would be to make a music/sound/etc player integrated to the website, so we can listen to the posted music/etc that people host here.
That would be great if possible :D (but sounds impossible -.-°)
Good idea! And I know it's possible, I saw it on some other forum.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: C0deH4cker on October 21, 2011, 04:31:41 pm
I think that the irc box (which i can see now!) at the top should only have to load once the whole time that youre browsing omnimaga, and heres how you could do it:

Have your page start off like normal:

<html>
<head>
</head>
<body>
...
<div id="ircbox"></div> or whatever the irc code is.
...
<frameset>
<!-- place forum code here -->
</frameset>
...
</body>
</html>
Because the forum code is in a frameset tag, all links clicked will open up below the box, but the irc box will not need to reload. It will stay there and the page will load below. I notice that the irc box can cause the site to lag.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 21, 2011, 04:34:55 pm
Won't this cause the URL in the address bar to never change? This can be problematic sometimes I think.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: C0deH4cker on October 21, 2011, 04:38:41 pm
That would be a problem, but you could just have a text bos in the frameset that holds the url. Just copy/paste it that way.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: NanoWar on October 21, 2011, 06:23:34 pm
Some people dont use the IRC. They need URLs more often :) .
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Eeems on October 21, 2011, 07:34:20 pm
If you just want one connection to omnimaga open and you don't want it to load OmnomIRC every time you open a page you can disable Omnom and use a IRC client instead ( the web client perhaps? )
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: C0deH4cker on October 21, 2011, 09:47:58 pm
Disable omnom? How? the minimize button?
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Deep Toaster on October 21, 2011, 10:09:53 pm
Yep, or under Options.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 21, 2011, 10:12:35 pm
Click the Toogle option in the chat box (or go to Options there and choose disable there).

Afterward you can minimize it to reduce the space it takes.

It is also possible to request to be put in the No OmnomIRC usergroup. Simply troll the chat and you should be banned asap. J/K don't do that lol: Just PM an admin. :P
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: C0deH4cker on October 21, 2011, 10:35:27 pm
Its better now that i found the omnom options and disabled it. i minimized it as well. It messes up on my ipod, that's why i wanted it gone in the first place. also, if i want to go on irc, i would either use a native client or the web client in the links at the top. Thanks for everybody's help!
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 21, 2011, 10:37:51 pm
Oh ok yeah on iPod it didn't work for me IIRC.

EDIT Actually nvm it worked. It's on my PSP that it didn't.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Deep Toaster on October 21, 2011, 10:39:18 pm
I like disabling it whenever I log out, so I can re-enable when I want to if I'm on a computer on which it works.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: C0deH4cker on October 21, 2011, 10:40:47 pm
on my ipod, it works, but it lags like crazy and will mess up my typing.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Yeong on October 21, 2011, 11:07:23 pm
I think the locked MOVED: posts should be deleted. It takes space and becomes useless later.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Deep Toaster on October 21, 2011, 11:33:27 pm
Is it possible to have them self-destruct after a month or something?
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Happybobjr on October 21, 2011, 11:37:45 pm
I hate to nag... but can the +1 and -1 buttons be a pixel or two apart please.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 22, 2011, 07:10:21 pm
I like disabling it whenever I log out, so I can re-enable when I want to if I'm on a computer on which it works.
Well when logging out it's a different box that appears anyway, so it won't make much of a difference.

Happybobjr good idea, although Idk if it would require modification. Bigger icons could work too I guess.

Also I wonder if we should make the total rating not visible on topic view and just via profiles? It might partially discourage people from making a big thing about their rating, such as "woohoo 100 respect!!!". Not that it's so bad, but it could encourage some newer members to boast about theirs. It might still be nice to see somewhere how much someone got, though.

The other idea would be that when someone gets rated down, it logs it then if he gets a bunch of downvotings, he automatically gets warned via PM. It would need to limit the amount of PMs to 1 per day though.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Deep Toaster on October 22, 2011, 10:49:47 pm
I like disabling it whenever I log out, so I can re-enable when I want to if I'm on a computer on which it works.
Well when logging out it's a different box that appears anyway, so it won't make much of a difference.
I mean that way when I log in from a different computer on which I don't want Omnom enabled, it won't be when the page loads.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 22, 2011, 10:54:07 pm
Oh ok. Keep in mind Omnom is cookie-based, though, so while you disable it on a computer, it won't necessarily disable it on every computer.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: hellninjas on October 23, 2011, 01:19:05 am
Remove broken links?
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Builderboy on October 23, 2011, 01:22:04 am
You mean like these (http://ourl.ca/669263/720790;topicseen#new)?  :evillaugh:

On a more serious note, what kind of links are broken? 
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: C3N on October 23, 2011, 04:37:46 am
Ididn't read the whole topic yet... but I think omnimaga.org is good and dont need any improvements :/
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 23, 2011, 02:30:04 pm
THe private section sorting is broken: Topics aren,t sorted by latest reply date, so it might get confusing when it gets populated with lots of topics.

And Idk what links, other than Revsoft link in the links section, are broken. Could you state which ones?
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: ztrumpet on October 23, 2011, 03:02:51 pm
THe private section sorting is broken: Topics aren,t sorted by latest reply date, so it might get confusing when it gets populated with lots of topics.
Fixed.  Thanks for the Bug Report. :D
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Hot_Dog on November 05, 2011, 01:41:55 pm
Thank you for adding the "+" and "-" buttons to the section for adding replies!  This makes it easier for me to type in a huge reply.  It used to be that my text box would violently scroll up and down if I was typing a long reply.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on November 05, 2011, 01:45:35 pm
Hmm weird, in what browser did that happen? ???

Also I like how the +- buttons appears in the SMF articles mod too. Makes it much easier to edit huge pages there (the ones that I created).

A few suggestions:

-Remove the gap between the Select all/Copy links and the CODE box
-Switch back to Courier new for the CODE blocks (monospaced)
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Darl181 on November 05, 2011, 02:26:31 pm
Thank you for adding the "+" and "-" buttons to the section for adding replies!  This makes it easier for me to type in a huge reply.  It used to be that my text box would violently scroll up and down if I was typing a long reply.
Would it be possible to put that in the signature-edit box (Profile → Forum Profile Information) as well?  :D  Or does it only work for the post-writing page..
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on November 08, 2011, 03:17:27 am
I think it'S for post writing pages.

Also front page improvements suggestion:

-Make the affiliate links open a new window
-A Google+ button to follow the new Omni google+ page.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Darl181 on March 19, 2012, 01:25:22 am
[necro]
I wonder... should an admin add a word filter that censors http://www.omnimaga.org and http://omnimaga.org back to the http equivalent? I'm kinda worried this might annoy people in the future if people start using https in image tags by mistake.
Done. :)  (For the record, DJ's post said https, not http, and the censoring changed it. :) )
Could the reverse be done for SSL, so links work there?  As it is one has to copy/paste/edit every link if http is blocked (ie school)  D:
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Jonius7 on March 19, 2012, 04:59:40 am
Wow, I wasn't really sure that the topic was here, and I think I've created some topics in the past about things that could be improved.
Just one small thing I guess, the view attachments of a topic option has to be viewed by going up one level to the respective board. It'd be good if there was some button within the topic that allowed direct viewing of this feature. Perhaps it could be added to the Reply |New Topic | Post New Poll | Notify |Mark Unread etc buttons.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Deep Toaster on March 19, 2012, 09:43:12 am
Wow, I wasn't really sure that the topic was here, and I think I've created some topics in the past about things that could be improved.
Oh, that's fine. The Site Feedback and Questions forum is for topics with suggestions for Omnimaga. This topic is here to get more responses :)
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 22, 2012, 08:45:18 pm
"How to improve Omnimaga" suggestions:

1: This image: (http://djomni.57o9.org/random/omninewserlogo.gif)

2: Keep the front page index navigation more up to date, same for the tutorial pending queue. For example, right now Elmgon and Homescreen Game Pack are still listed under our projects, even though Ztrumpet has retired months ago. A link to the Google+ page below the Twitter follow link would be nice too.

3: Enable vertical scrolling for user signatures and limit the height to 200 pixels, for example (via CSS in all themes). There are horizontal scrollbars already, but vertical will make overly huge signatures less annoying, while still letting people put as much stuff in them.

4: Real-time PM notifications (except the Alert box/pop up): Every 60 second, via AJAX, it checks if you just got new PMs, like on Facebook, so those who are on OmnomIRC and rarely refresh the page will not miss the important PM your friend just sent you.

5: For some sub-forums, sticky a topic like JustCause did here (http://ourl.ca/14052) to clarify a bit more about some of the forum rules. Eg, if Omnimaga discourages cheating in exams, post a sticky in the help section telling people to discourage cheating if people ask help to do so, in the projects section suggest efficient ways to announce a project and get feedback (eg discourage project announcements such as "HAI ME GONNA AWESOME GREYCALE FPS IN XLIB THE BEST AWESUM CALC GAME NEED HELP TURNING MY CALC ON!" and "This is where I'll post updates about Washaticha Nabato Zizzu. More info next month please comment my awesome project now!"). For staff maybe in their respective private boards, have rules about the kind of news article not to post or the order of punishments to give to offending members, so it's more clear how things works at the moment.

6: Not really for now, but in the future if this ever happened often again: If there is ever another series of instances where someone posts a controversial message that might easily start drama, but have his friends or allies behind him mass-rating up his post to make it look like the post is pretty fine, I think the admins should look into possibly re-enabling negative ratings, but only for posts that has more than +1, for example.

7: Not really a problem as of the last 4 years, but make sure no forum member ever add chatrooms in their signatures again O.O (anybody remember that on the old board?)

8: Make the 3 affiliates on the front page open in new tabs instead of the current tab.

9: Fix Alex's account (Netham45, check your PMs)

On a side note I just finished sorting the minus world last night. I started a while ago, but I was still not done with the Miscellaneous discussion forum.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: aeTIos on March 22, 2012, 08:47:21 pm
I like the idea of a newser image :D
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 22, 2012, 08:48:13 pm
Yeah I thought it would make the site a bit more consistent. Also I just added 8 and 9.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: blweldon2 on March 22, 2012, 09:11:08 pm
I would love to be able to access the forums through the Tapatalk app on my phone. Right now I am using the browser and the forums are really slow, especially when typing. Tapatalk integration would be absolutely amazing.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: nxtboy III on March 22, 2012, 09:15:07 pm
what about a screenshots archive? That has all the screenshots on omnimaga?
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Juju on March 22, 2012, 09:22:48 pm
I would love to be able to access the forums through the Tapatalk app on my phone. Right now I am using the browser and the forums are really slow, especially when typing. Tapatalk integration would be absolutely amazing.
I agree, but isn't that app paid?
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: blweldon2 on March 22, 2012, 09:29:08 pm
I would love to be able to access the forums through the Tapatalk app on my phone. Right now I am using the browser and the forums are really slow, especially when typing. Tapatalk integration would be absolutely amazing.
I agree, but isn't that app paid?
It is paid on the market, but it is a Getjar gold app, so it is free on there.
 http://www.getjar.com/mobile/237628/tapatalk-for-google-nexus-one/?ref=0&lvt=1332466309&sid=42d80023wqzzsv40&c=g7oztiieiab89o2s13&lang=en

I use the app for all of the forums I browse on my Samsung Skyrocket.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: aeTIos on March 22, 2012, 09:34:08 pm
Meh that's a bit weird and hard to create. Last but not least: it would eat space.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: blweldon2 on March 22, 2012, 09:48:31 pm
If tapatalk ever gets thought about integrating with the omnimaga forums, it can be done here for free by forum owner.
 http://www.tapatalk.com/plugin.php
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 22, 2012, 10:54:40 pm
what about a screenshots archive? That has all the screenshots on omnimaga?
That would be nice, or maybe an attachment gallery for images.

As for Taptalk I do not know what it is, but I guess it could be nice as long as it doesn't cause slowdowns/compatibility problems for regular browser users and as long as it doesn't require Netham45 to give the forum password to that site for security reasons.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: blweldon2 on March 22, 2012, 11:07:17 pm
As for Taptalk I do not know what it is, but I guess it could be nice as long as it doesn't cause slowdowns/compatibility problems for regular browser users and as long as it doesn't require Netham45 to give the forum password to that site for security reasons.
It would be great. Its a very popular forum application for smartphones. I would greatly appreciate it, as my primary source of the web is from my phone. My poor laptop is getting lonely.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 22, 2012, 11:09:26 pm
Another alternative is the WAP mode available through our front page navigation http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?wap2

I-mode also works http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?imode

Of course none shows images, though, and they are limited. It can sometimes make forum browsing a bit easier, though.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: blweldon2 on March 22, 2012, 11:12:23 pm
Neither of them look good on a 4.5 inch screen, but I will keep them in mind. :)
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 22, 2012, 11:17:20 pm
Really? ??? They seems to look OK to me...
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: blweldon2 on March 22, 2012, 11:35:20 pm
Really? ??? They seems to look OK to me...
Maybe i'm just used to see the pretty colors of the regular omni site. The irony in that... I'm colorblind! XD
But really the regular site is plenty fast for regular browsing, but posting is a major pain.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Darl181 on March 22, 2012, 11:52:54 pm
Does quick reply work on mobile phones?  I don't see why not but I don't have a phone nor looked around about it so idk :P
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 22, 2012, 11:56:58 pm
Ah ok lol.

Also for some reasons the Old Board Archive sub-forum reappared magically O.O (it's kinda redundant now that the old posts were merged with the current site and sorted in their respective categories)
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Jonius7 on March 26, 2012, 03:17:13 am
Oh weird I thought that the subforum was always there?
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 26, 2012, 02:39:01 pm
Nah it was removed after the old posts were merged with the current site. Not sure why the board re-appeared. Maybe a database rollback occured (for the board index)

EDIT Right now the section is still intact for me, but only when logged in ???. Wouldn't it be better to just plain delete it completely?
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: nxtboy III on March 26, 2012, 06:28:19 pm
Maybe an NXT subforum...
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Juju on March 26, 2012, 06:59:44 pm
Does quick reply work on mobile phones?  I don't see why not but I don't have a phone nor looked around about it so idk :P
It does.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 26, 2012, 08:07:58 pm
Maybe an NXT subforum...
That might be better if we ever have more than one single member programming for it, though. Otherwise we'll most likely get something like what happened to the RPG Maker/Game Maker/MUGEN/MMF2 sub-forum. :(
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Jonius7 on March 27, 2012, 01:35:41 am
Nah it was removed after the old posts were merged with the current site. Not sure why the board re-appeared. Maybe a database rollback occured (for the board index)

EDIT Right now the section is still intact for me, but only when logged in ???. Wouldn't it be better to just plain delete it completely?

A much cleaner method than just leaving it there, definitely.
And I guess a NXT Subforum is not completely needed yet. There's not that great demand for it, though I do own an NXT myself.
However if anyone becomes a CoT they get their own projects subforum ;)
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 27, 2012, 02:58:35 am
From what I got told, they decided to leave the subforum intact and just hide it (although they forgot my usergroup or secondary group), just in case one day the minus world ever crashed and caused issues forcing staff to keep it separate or something.

EDIT Also another thing to improve Omnimaga: Post and code moar :D (as long as the posts are relevant and constructive, as in project updates and other quality content, not an overuse of the humor/spam section). That will help Omni remain active if the community ever got through a lull and make it easier to do a comeback after it ends.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Jonius7 on March 27, 2012, 03:13:45 am
You're talking about the community in general posting more right? Well in that case I agree, though it is difficult for anyone to maintain a record of consistency as resilient as yours, DJ_O ;)
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 27, 2012, 03:25:09 am
Yeah I meant in general. Kinda like last year I guess. There are a bunch of people that used to be active but now they're mainly on IRC, or people who got projects in the works but hardly post updates anymore. Just making sure it won't do like UTI or something over the time, with new guys not joining because there are like 20 posts a day (like in 2008-09 sometimes). Of course that would be hard to get the activity we had in late 2010, though, considering a bunch of our most active users were banned permanently since last Summer, and the fact our core group of user from 2009 has moved to college last Summer or so.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Jonius7 on March 27, 2012, 04:39:58 am
We have a group of newer programmers that were celebrating their first birthday at Omnimaga. (such as Stefan)
http://ourl.ca/15328
And I am disappointed in myself in not really posting updates to my own projects :(
But things are ok overall, I guess.

Also something I found:
Copy to Clipboard when in [code]    [/code] does not work. In Chrome at least.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 30, 2012, 01:27:46 am
Yeah I think it uses Flash or something and has questionable cross compatiblity.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Jonius7 on March 31, 2012, 05:46:12 am
We have a group of newer programmers that were celebrating their first birthday at Omnimaga. (such as Stefan)
http://ourl.ca/15328
And I am disappointed in myself in not really posting updates to my own projects :(
But things are ok overall, I guess.

Also something I found:
Copy to Clipboard when in [code]    [/code] does not work. In Chrome at least.
Flash? Javascript or Ajax maybe?
Overall Omnimaga is great. There aren't many sites out there that are as customised as Omnimaga! :D
Title: Re: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: blweldon2 on July 13, 2012, 01:13:27 am
Tapatalk support is here!! Thank you very much!! :D
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Deep Toaster on July 13, 2012, 01:24:28 am
Yes it is! :D I guess we should post in News about it, once we finish up with some other changes.

EDIT: Love this thing. Helps me keep up with Omnimaga again, finally.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: blweldon2 on July 13, 2012, 02:08:22 am
Yes it is! :D I guess we should post in News about it, once we finish up with some other changes.

EDIT: Love this thing. Helps me keep up with Omnimaga again, finally.

Here are the links to download the tapatalk app. If you put it in news, you can put these 2 links on it.
iOS- http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/tapatalk-forum-app/id307880732
Android- https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.quoord.tapatalkpro.activity
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on July 13, 2012, 03:19:03 am
Yeah I heard it was added. Great addition for mobile users. :) (although it would be great if there was a free alternative too)
Title: Re: Re: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: blweldon2 on July 13, 2012, 12:00:18 pm
Yeah I heard it was added. Great addition for mobile users. :) (although it would be great if there was a free alternative too)
Android users could try Convo. Its perfectly free, but I don't like it as much. I went ahead and paid $3 to support tapatalk and get the market app. :-)
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Juju on July 13, 2012, 02:02:30 pm
Yeah I heard it was added. Great addition for mobile users. :) (although it would be great if there was a free alternative too)
Android users could try Convo. Its perfectly free, but I don't like it as much. I went ahead and paid $3 to support tapatalk and get the market app. :-)
That's what I tried but I didn't liked it that much either, so I might go to the official Tapatalk.
Title: Re: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: blweldon2 on July 13, 2012, 02:25:56 pm
If you are a big forum browser like I am, the $3 is worth it. You could also wait for the app to go on sale if you really wanted to. :)
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Juju on July 13, 2012, 02:35:24 pm
Just look at my post count lol :P

But the problem here is that the Android Market only accepts credit cards...
Title: Re: Re: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: blweldon2 on July 13, 2012, 02:52:07 pm
Just look at my post count lol :P

But the problem here is that the Android Market only accepts credit cards...
Yeah. It still bugs me that they don't carry prepaid cards for the market. You could go out and buy a generic prepaid visa though. That's what I usually do.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on July 14, 2012, 01:33:20 am
Yeah it sucks. It's not as bad as Apple store, though, which requires either a credit card or a pre-paid card EVEN if you want to download something that is free.
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: Deep Toaster on July 14, 2012, 02:04:19 am
Yeah, that's what really sucks about the whole thing—on the App Store (and to a lesser extent the Android Market), you really get what you pay for. Seems like there was once a "free" alternative to Tapatalk, except that you couldn't even reply to topics unless you paid for an upgrade.

Same deal with IRC clients, for instance. Colloquy sounds like a great client from the screenshots and reviews, but it's paid, of course. There are free alternatives, but they're incomplete at best, breaking the connection whenever the device is in standby mode, for example. There's even a "free" IRC client that'll connect you to a random IRC network unless you upgrade x.x

You just won't find any decent free programs for a platform when it costs a hundred dollars a year just to be allowed to develop for that platform. Imagine if all forms of programming on TI calculators were subject to a $99 annual fee, and hacks like Ndless were illegal. Thing anyone would still have made any games?

(Funnily enough, the one exception I've found so far in terms of iOS is the free port of Block Dude (yes, the one in PuzzPack), which is almost definitely better than the paid version by a different porter.)
Yeah it sucks. It's not as bad as Apple store, though, which requires either a credit card or a pre-paid card EVEN if you want to download something that is free.
Lucky I got an Apple ID back before they had that requirement—I had no need for one then, but I'm sure glad I have it now XD
Title: Re: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: blweldon2 on July 14, 2012, 12:25:04 pm
Well with android you can also use different markets. For instance, you could buy an amazon gift card and use it on the amazon app store for android. I don't understand why apple charges app makers so much. That's the one thing keeping me away from iOS developing. And the fact that the app must be made on a Mac, as there is no windows sdk. If TI were to do something like that, it would be a real shame. I would miss gbc4cx too much. :-\
Title: Re: How we can improve Omnimaga?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on July 15, 2012, 12:32:16 am
Well for a period of time we feared the official Lua SDK would be paid, because the original 83+ SDK was, early on.