Omnimaga
Omnimaga => Site Feedback and Questions => Topic started by: Jonius7 on March 16, 2011, 05:59:16 am
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After the dramatic events of the past few days, I went to the member list page (Misc -> Member List). And kind of analysed it by sorting it in several ways. I was surprised when i scrolled alphabetically that there were many users with 0 posts. So I pressed sort and what came up was at least 440 members had never posted! (it was all 0s until page 5, then 1s and 2s). This might be ok, but if you consider the trolling events going on and half of our members not even posting (600 had 5 or less posts), kind of questions the quality of our members (may registered this year and 2nd half of last year). Do they program? Do they know about calcs? And for the ones that do post (and are fairly new members), are they posting the stuff that we have seen over the past few months?
Sorry if i am taking this too critically, but this could be a relationship between the trolling and the members or something. Or i could be completely wrong
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I have seen this too.
But I have posted constructive posts. I am busy on a project: MYST 89, so I don't think I belong to that group.
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I think its going to be naturally harder for those of us who do not have TI calculators and aren't working on the lower-level development of the Prizm for the time being. My posting is usually directly proportional to the activity on the Casio Prizm Discussion board and it hasn't been that active recently in areas that I am able to post in with reasonable certainty that I know what I am talking about. I guess that can't be helped for now. I'll keep looking for ways to be beneficial in other areas of the forum.
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After the dramatic events of the past few days, I went to the member list page (Misc -> Member List). And kind of analysed it by sorting it in several ways. I was surprised when i scrolled alphabetically that there were many users with 0 posts. So I pressed sort and what came up was at least 440 members had never posted! (it was all 0s until page 5, then 1s and 2s). This might be ok, but if you consider the trolling events going on and half of our members not even posting (600 had 5 or less posts), kind of questions the quality of our members (may registered this year and 2nd half of last year). Do they program? Do they know about calcs? And for the ones that do post (and are fairly new members), are they posting the stuff that we have seen over the past few months?
Sorry if i am taking this too critically, but this could be a relationship between the trolling and the members or something.
I doubt (answering the last question), but I can't understand why people create accounts and never post :S
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I don't know either. I could see it at UTI, where you need to have one to DL tho.
@m1ac4 and stefan don't worry, you're prob at least on page 7, and no one would accuse you of being trolls (which are the real problem anyways)
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After the dramatic events of the past few days, I went to the member list page (Misc -> Member List). And kind of analysed it by sorting it in several ways. I was surprised when i scrolled alphabetically that there were many users with 0 posts. So I pressed sort and what came up was at least 440 members had never posted! (it was all 0s until page 5, then 1s and 2s). This might be ok, but if you consider the trolling events going on and half of our members not even posting (600 had 5 or less posts), kind of questions the quality of our members (may registered this year and 2nd half of last year). Do they program? Do they know about calcs? And for the ones that do post (and are fairly new members), are they posting the stuff that we have seen over the past few months?
Sorry if i am taking this too critically, but this could be a relationship between the trolling and the members or something.
I know I'm going to some negative respect for this, but I'll say it anyway...
That's not the relation. The only relation between the non-posting members and the members who have trolled is where they came from. Let's not forget where these fora are located: the Internet. Trolling is an inevitable fact of life for sites on the Internet. Let's admit that and move on. From what I've seen, the reactions to the trolling have caused far more drama here than the trolling itself.
As for what those members do or don't know, frankly I neither know or care whether or not they own a calc. They are members of Omnimaga who have not been shown to have any negative impact on the community (some exceptions aside). In spite of that, they're still being ostracized? While Omnimaga might be primarily a calculator community, it is not exclusively so. Lest anyone forget, there are boards for both computer programming as well as music. So, the issue of whether they program or own calcs is in my eyes rather disrespectful to people who have done no wrong and to the community as a whole. Furthermore, I think by attempting to blame any one group for the current state of Omnimaga (trolls aside, because they're convenient scapegoats for everything) one actually hurts the situation. Is any one group solely to blame? Trolls caused an initial disturbance, but it was the members of Omnimaga who reacted to it. Trolls will always be there. Such is life on the Internet. It's how we react to it that determines whether they influence us negatively or not.
PS: As an aside, another forum of which I am a member has several million members. Only a few hundred (at most) are active. A few more have posted once and gone. The vast majority of members sign up and never post. I have little idea why people do that on fully open sites, but it's not unique to Omnimaga nor any other forum for people to do it.
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I agree with Qwerty.55, non-posting members have absolutely nothing to do with trollers and spammers.
However, this is a very interesting subject to analyse: >350 0-post members.
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Lurkers?
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After the dramatic events of the past few days, I went to the member list page (Misc -> Member List). And kind of analysed it by sorting it in several ways. I was surprised when i scrolled alphabetically that there were many users with 0 posts. So I pressed sort and what came up was at least 440 members had never posted! (it was all 0s until page 5, then 1s and 2s). This might be ok, but if you consider the trolling events going on and half of our members not even posting (600 had 5 or less posts), kind of questions the quality of our members (may registered this year and 2nd half of last year). Do they program? Do they know about calcs? And for the ones that do post (and are fairly new members), are they posting the stuff that we have seen over the past few months?
Sorry if i am taking this too critically, but this could be a relationship between the trolling and the members or something.
I know I'm going to some negative respect for this, but I'll say it anyway...
That's not the relation. The only relation between the non-posting members and the members who have trolled is where they came from. Let's not forget where these fora are located: the Internet. Trolling is an inevitable fact of life for sites on the Internet. Let's admit that and move on. From what I've seen, the reactions to the trolling have caused far more drama here than the trolling itself.
As for what those members do or don't know, frankly I neither know or care whether or not they own a calc. They are members of Omnimaga who have not been shown to have any negative impact on the community (some exceptions aside). In spite of that, they're still being ostracized? While Omnimaga might be primarily a calculator community, it is not exclusively so. Lest anyone forget, there are boards for both computer programming as well as music. So, the issue of whether they program or own calcs is in my eyes rather disrespectful to people who have done no wrong and to the community as a whole. Furthermore, I think by attempting to blame any one group for the current state of Omnimaga (trolls aside, because they're convenient scapegoats for everything) one actually hurts the situation. Is any one group solely to blame? Trolls caused an initial disturbance, but it was the members of Omnimaga who reacted to it. Trolls will always be there. Such is life on the Internet. It's how we react to it that determines whether they influence us negatively or not.
Agreed, I doubt the one post users have anything to do with it, they probably joined because of increasing popularity. We should just ban trolls and ignore them other wise. ;)
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Shouldn't the trolls lie at least in the 5-post range anyways, so they actually had a chance to post trolling comments? :P
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Agreed, I doubt the one post users have anything to do with it, they probably joined because of increasing popularity. We should just ban trolls and ignore them other wise. ;)
I agree.
/me glares at whoever gave him respect for the previous post because they proved him wrong :P
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Agreed, I doubt the one post users have anything to do with it, they probably joined because of increasing popularity. We should just ban trolls and ignore them other wise. ;)
I agree.
/me glares at whoever gave him respect for the previous post because they proved him wrong :P
/me tries to make Qwerty stop glaring at him
btw, I was agreeing with you, so I'm not sure why you're agreeing again. :P
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/me stops glaring
I was disagreeing with jhgenius01, so you agreed with me about disagreeing, and I agreed with you about agreeing with me about disagreeing with jhgenius01...?
Okay, I think I almost halfway understand that.
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Lurkers?
What's that? (in this context)
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they stay around the forum as guests.
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I thought trolls spawned from 4 chan. JK. but kinda seriously... :/
My first 10 posts on Omnimaga were so bad that I should have been banned from every calc site on earth. Luckily DJ forgave me... and look where I am now :)
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Speaking as a member who has barely any posts, I think that we mainly join just for a single question about programming, and otherwise just lurk as yeongJIN_COOL said. I personally really don't HAVE much to contribute yet, and mainly soak up little programing tips and tidbits fro surviving math class.
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I have an idea. Maybe they like the site and were lurkers for a while. But they couldn't read the randomness related sections. So then they made an account so that they could.
I mean, TI Calculator Game Walkthroughs, Secrets & Glitches sounds interesting enough to sign up for.
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I knew it wasn't quite worded correctly, but good on you qwerty.55 for clearing it up. and it is interesting for 350 non-posting members.
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I thought trolls spawned from 4 chan. JK. but kinda seriously... :/
My first 10 posts on Omnimaga were so bad that I should have been banned from every calc site on earth. Luckily DJ forgave me... and look where I am now :)
I was something like that too when I first joined... Now I'm in the Anti-Riot Squad :P
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Perhaps some of those 0-1 posters really haven'y checked out the site yet. I mean, once I found this site I joined because, you know, I like calcs and I am pretty good at BASIC. So I said, what the heck. Well I didn't really post a thing until several months later when I sort've "refound" the site, been pretty active (mostly in randomness) ever since.
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I totally disagree with the first post. The large amount of members with low post count has nothing to do with the amount of trolls.
1) Our troll problem started about 1 month ago and originated from IRC.
2) A lot of people join calc sites to ask for help. These people will generally make 1-2 posts then go away. There's nothing wrong with that, our help sections are here for them.
3) A lot of people join calc sites, but they cannot find anything to contribute in the end, and eventually they lose interest, so these ppl got 0 posts, sometimes 1 in the intro section. It's normal.
4) Like cfxm and uberspire, some people are not big posters. This goes back to point 3, except they're interested in calc stuff. Not everyone is gonna post almost everywhere. Some people are busier too.
5) Some people are more IRC guys than forum guys, like Genolo or brooom. Unfortunately, this seems to be the group at risk lately.
If you go check UTI, Cemetech, TI-Freakware, MaxCoderz, etc, notice how every forum only have like half of their members above 0 posts. This is normal. Plus there could be bots that made it through filters years ago but never posted.
I don't think we should automatically label low posters as members at risk. Omni just went through bad luck and attracted a bunch of troublesome users at once and it will probably get through it fine. However right now to avoid problems the IRC channel had to be closed, since it attracted trolls.
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jhgenius01 it is a common problem around forums. Actually RevSoft had about 600 members and once I cleaned out all the 0-1 posters, we dropped down to around 300.
A good majority of those 0 posters are most likely bots without the ability to post. No matter how advanced your bot detection system is, unless it is by invite only you arent going to stop bots from registering.
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By the way, on several calc forums I got 0 posts. Espace-TI is an example. I just never had time to post there. It doesn't mean I'm a troll and that the forum is threatened by trolls.
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Sorry about that. It's just that there's been a spike in member numbers since last year.
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I had 1-0 posts for a few months when I first registered here. I had not had much to contribute and didn't look around much. I just joined to be able to help/look at Ndless. When i looked around the site I found there were many other things and started becoming a more active member. I think the Math section was what really started me on being an active member
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Yeah the math area seems to have kept a lot of people even more active. I would never have put one when this board started, since I wanted the focus to be mostly on calc games, but the board grew bigger so it cannot have an impact on the entire board theme and it can still increase activity. I think the fact that most calc programmers like maths kinda helped, though. (after all, when programming we do maths :P)
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yeah maths is part of the programming. but a wide range of forums, including general forums means omnimaga isn't just restricted to calc games. you can talk in omnimaga about lots of things.
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True, some other calc boards got plenty of off topic talk, like hardware and electronics or web dev. Some calc forums are exclusively dedicated to the site projects.
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The following sentences are to be in no way construed as having anything to do with one another:
I think we were all trolls when we initially joined, perhaps simply because we didn't know any better.
I just noticed that Omnimaga has no Wikipedia page.
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The following sentences are to be in no way construed as having anything to do with one another:
I think we were all trolls when we initially joined, perhaps simply because we didn't know any better.
I just noticed that Omnimaga has no Wikipedia page.
That can definitely be said for me when i first joined.
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The following sentences are to be in no way construed as having anything to do with one another:
I think we were all trolls when we initially joined, perhaps simply because we didn't know any better.
I just noticed that Omnimaga has no Wikipedia page.
not me :D
I lurked around here and cemetech before joining, so I already knew a lot of the rules ;D
[/shameless ego inflation]
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I wan't a troll just a lurker when I first joined
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Was I a troll? Not really IMO.
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Hm, nearly 1000 members now.
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Yeah really! 999 members to be exact!
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Note that this total sometimes goes down every now and then, though. I sometimes went through unused accounts and scanned for bots, so the total went down by 10-20.
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quite phenomenal i think 1014 members. omnimaga is no longer small anymore.
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Yeah it's insane. Omni grew pretty big. Granted, we have much less users than other calc sites (UTI has like 5000, for example), but this forum has only been around for 2 years and only picked up one year ago, not to mention about 120 users per day logins here, and I bet a lot of them posts.
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not to mention about 120 users per day logins here
Wow, that's a lot O.O
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Not to mention the >9000 posts every two days.
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Which are all by you in the spam section >_>
J/k but we usually get around 200-400, although there are times where we get even more like today.
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DJ, I've started posting elsewhere, you know that! :P
Yeah, I know the actual posting rate is lower than that, but some days it feels that way.
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I've been contributing a lot more to that post count per day recently. If you count spam the count will probably double
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DJ, I've started posting elsewhere, you know that! :P
Yeah, I know the actual posting rate is lower than that, but some days it feels that way.
Yeah I noticed 1 of your post last month was outside the spam section :D. J/k I know there are much more, lol.
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About that wiki page...
I noticed that one of the results for the search "omnimaga" came up with the cemetech page.
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Yeah it's because we're mentionned in it (in the section talking about occasional backlashes between both sites that occured in 2006 and last Winter). Besides that the only other mention is in the TI-83 and 84 pages and the outdated MLC article.
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We are now on the brink of 1600 members.
How Omnimaga has grown!
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Yeah, at least I'm glad the spambots were spotted though, else we would have like 4000 members, most of which would be 0-post accounts.X.x
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Omni has grown a ton, we should be very proud. I am curious, how many of those members actually post?
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http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?action=mlist;sort=posts;start=0
Check here. A lot of members have 0.
Nearly everyone active is on the first page.
I can say that 14 months ago, we only had around 550 members.
More than double the number today.
Only one trend can accurately describe this up to the present: exponential!
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Yeah I mean if we didn't delete spam accounts, we would have about 2000 extra 0 post accounts.
The good thing, however, is that several of our members actually posted. The 1-2 post members are mainly people coming to ask help, while the others are either occasional or regular contributors. On the old board I think only about 100 users even had one post, and that's with an intro section counting towards user's post counts.
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I know it's very different now.
Even though our numbers aren't as large as some other calc sites, we have quality members, many who which are posting heaps and active.
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too bad that user #1337 doesn't exist D:
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Stupid spambot stole the spot :P
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About that wiki page...
I noticed that one of the results for the search "omnimaga" came up with the cemetech page.
lol why? but I was member 1996 dang it almost 2000
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About that wiki page...
I noticed that one of the results for the search "omnimaga" came up with the cemetech page.
lol why? but I was member 1996 dang it almost 2000
Lol you were member 1966
And anyway, it is nearing 2000 members. Quite crazy, I think half of them have 1 post or less.
If a graph were draw of post counts it would be nearly exponential shaped.
(I actually drew one of the top 100 members and it looked exponential)
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I'm user number 898 :D
I'm surprised I'm actually one of the first 1000. XD
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Stupid spambot stole the spot :P
Well, Jonimus was user #42, so it's not all bad :P
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http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?action=profile;u=666
The username is kinda ironic.
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I'm ID 416, hey, seems I was here since a while.
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I'm 1083 :D Also, I probably signed up for an account a few years before I became active. I think DJ deleted it for me, though :)
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I'm user number 898 :D
I'm surprised I'm actually one of the first 1000. XD
The number of members registering has gone up exponentially. It's now at 10000+ and in Sep 2010 was only around 850-900
I'm 874 btw.
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^ i dont get it 10000??
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Actually it's crept up to 11313 O.O
And runeazn if you go to http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?action=stats you'll see that 3361 members registered in February 2012, but most of them deleted because of spambots.
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idk if I mentioned it or not but my ID number is 1004, number of angel in Korea ^.^
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Lol :P
It's actually true...
How do I check my ID number?
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Lol :P
It's actually true...
How do I check my ID number?
Click on your name and look at the number in the url.
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In that case mine is 1671. Not really anything 'special'.
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2706 :P
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>:D I am 2705
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:P
I actually figured that u were gonna write that since u r like 28 minutes before me
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:P
I actually figured that u were gonna write that since u r like 28 minutes before me
and 5 seconds to be exact. ;)
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:P
Well, it took a lot of persuasion to join Omni
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:P
Well, it took a lot of persuasion to join Omni
yep, 28 minutes and 5 seconds of it to be exact. :P
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How can you tell what number you are?
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well, if I wanted to, I could've joined as soon as TBO_Yeong joined :P
@Spenceboy98 you click ur name and chekc the url
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I'm #7964
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ok :D
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No. 874 and there were about 550 members at the time I joined...
Now there's like 12000 ids and only 1970 actual members still here (including permbanned accs)
How disproportionate...
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When UTI merged into Cemetech db, it went from 20000 members to 1800 or something I think.
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right now we have 14203 members. :)
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right now we have 14203 members. :)
I don't think we actually have 14203 members, I think there has been 14203 member registrations, most of which failed or were removed thankfully. Good to see that the member registrations are no longer increasing exponentially otherwise we'd have something like the Axe Parser Wiki (that fixed too, and I helped a bit on that!)
When UTI merged into Cemetech db, it went from 20000 members to 1800 or something I think.
W8 how does that work? Did they remove spam/bot accounts? Or is it something else?
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They removed every member account that were bots or 0 post users. It's nothing, because in 2005, UTI removed about 8000 members too. Otherwise today UTI would have gotten about 30000 account guaranteed.
In Omni's case we got plenty of 0 post users, but most are real accounts, like the ones on Cemetech. However we had so many bots registering and getting blacklisted that it bumped IDs really high.
If we only count 1+ post users, Omnimaga currently has 962, out of 2060 members, out of 14217 registration attempts. The z9 board (April 2006 to January 2008) had 198 posting users out of 206 existing accounts, and 5081 registration attempts occured during that period. Note that the small amount of 0 post users was not only due to bot deletion over the time, but also the fact that in late 2007, our anti-spam forced new members to post twice in a special topic to be able to post anywhere else.
There's no way to check IDs on Zetaboards, because they're server-wide rather than board-specific.
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They removed every member account that were bots or 0 post users. It's nothing, because in 2005, UTI removed about 8000 members too. Otherwise today UTI would have gotten about 30000 account guaranteed.
In Omni's case we got plenty of 0 post users, but most are real accounts, like the ones on Cemetech. However we had so many bots registering and getting blacklisted that it bumped IDs really high.
If we only count 1+ post users, Omnimaga currently has 962, out of 2060 members, out of 14217 registration attempts. The z9 board (April 2006 to January 2008) had 198 posting users out of 206 existing accounts, and 5081 registration attempts occured during that period. Note that the small amount of 0 post users was not only due to bot deletion over the time, but also the fact that in late 2007, our anti-spam forced new members to post twice in a special topic to be able to post anywhere else.
There's no way to check IDs on Zetaboards, because they're server-wide rather than board-specific.
I think that's a good summary overall, and the number of post ID's are useful. Also the 0 post users does refer back to my original post on the first page about all these members. :D
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Usually people might sign up an account expecting access to new content or just to post later, but then finally never do or they find a different site.