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By relevant content, does it means that anything such as MLP, Youtube and Facebook links will no longer be allowed at all or is it just some sort of recommendation? Some links in my sig leads to various music places of mine and some members might have personal sites like juju with julosoft.That is a request not a rule. Use your own discretion as to what is relevant or not.
There is an unwritten rule about the avatars. That is also part of proper netiquette.
As for Spoiler I didn't mind 1 spoiler but the issue is that they are used to circumvent the overly large signature height that would result otherwise. Also, another issue is that some spoilers actually took more space than their content, eg stuff like this:QuoteTHE GAME
Compared to the much largerQuoteSpoiler For Spoiler:
There should be a rule on large avatars as well, though, because when someone converts the entire rickroll video (or that old classic Flash animation showing a stick guy having a rage fit) in GIF then use it as his avatar, some members use 10% of their monthly bandwidth just by loading it.
There should be a rule on large avatars as well, though, because when someone converts the entire rickroll video (or that old classic Flash animation showing a stick guy having a rage fit) in GIF then use it as his avatar, some members use 10% of their monthly bandwidth just by loading it.
In case anyone is wondering this is 800 by 200 pixels:This is an example of disturbing signature. If someone uses that large red pic as their signature, I doubt that it will remain for long.
(http://i.imgur.com/WKkj6aL.png)
This one is annoying me for my Pokemon Topaze userbar. I guess this is a measure to avoid long loading times, but then, it is more a question of size than a question of frames isn't it ? and since my screenshot is 96x64 pixels, in only two colors, it is "only" 180 KB, which is "only" half the size of DJ_O's bandcamp image. Moreover, my image is hosted on Omnimaga so I guess it doesn't take additionnal time looking for the hosting site. So do I have to change it ?
- They will not have animated images of over 15 frames
For this one, I need a plain explanation, not about "why" but about "what". I don't get what you mean (English is not my native language).
- Animated images must not be too "loud"
Erm, I need some explanations there.It's actually the same size ??? (My image is 90 KB large and yours 95). Btw is Pokemon Topaze 27 FPS? Maybe redo a 9 FPS screenie if that's the case.This one is annoying me for my Pokemon Topaze userbar. I guess this is a measure to avoid long loading times, but then, it is more a question of size than a question of frames isn't it ? and since my screenshot is 96x64 pixels, in only two colors, it is "only" 180 KB, which is "only" half the size of DJ_O's bandcamp image.
- They will not have animated images of over 15 frames
Weird, mine displays "180 Ko" on my computer.Erm, I need some explanations there.It's actually the same size ??? (My image is 90 KB large and yours 95). Btw is Pokemon Topaze 27 FPS? Maybe redo a 9 FPS screenie if that's the case.This one is annoying me for my Pokemon Topaze userbar. I guess this is a measure to avoid long loading times, but then, it is more a question of size than a question of frames isn't it ? and since my screenshot is 96x64 pixels, in only two colors, it is "only" 180 KB, which is "only" half the size of DJ_O's bandcamp image.
- They will not have animated images of over 15 frames
*Should contain relevant content:Does nobody read the word request in the post? I even bolded it. Relevant content is not a rule it is a request.
We are primarily a programming/tech oriented website that also has some music creation. That would be what is relevant to Omni. However, I would say things relevant to your interests are ok as well as long as you don't go overboard with it. If you like MLP or Minecraft or whatever, I think a small nod to them in your sig would be fine.
Size: 800x200Actually the current thought is to make it smaller. That size is almost the size of a post with very little content. If the signature takes up that much space then too much of the topic is filled with excess and people have to sift through to get to the actual content. Albeit it is not as bad as before, but it is still going to be a bit much.
This isn't too bad, but could perhaps be a slight bit taller.
Animated gif frame limit 15:We are thinking about not allowing GIF's in signatures. The reasoning isn't about load times its about some browsers having a lot of trouble with rendering lots of GIF's at once.
Not really sure as I don't use animated gifs that much. Might be a bit low? *The gif in Hayleia's sig is an example of a gif that I think is fine, but likely contains more than 15 frames.
Actually the current thought is to make it smaller. That size is almost the size of a post with very little content. If the signature takes up that much space then too much of the topic is filled with excess and people have to sift through to get to the actual content. Albeit it is not as bad as before, but it is still going to be a bit much.Looking at the average size of posts, a smaller sig than 800x200 would just create more empty space because of the info about the poster on the left of the post content, which is much taller than a short post. A small post still fills over half of the height of my browser window. You could say my screen is too small, but on (most) other forums (calc example: cemetech) three to four short posts fit on it.
Also @Eeems, do you think for animated GIFs there could be an exception for Z80 and monochrome Casio calc screenshotsMy modern laptop (that has an i7) activates its fan when browsing on some omnimaga topics because of animated GIFs in sigs.
As I said in the other topic, your sig is not your portfolio, you can quickly describe your hobbies with a single sentence, you can put a link to a topic describing all your projects, you also can put other links related to yourself and on what your love doing, not on what you did, it should be static in time.First, just to make it clear, what you just said here is your opinion, not facts, so 1) I doubt it's the official netiquette (every forum can apply their own rules) and 2) you should have said something like "I think it's a stupid way of mind" rather than "It's a stupid way of mind". Don't try to force everyone here to switch from their mentality to yours. [FRENCH] S.V.P arrête d'essayer de forcer tout le monde sur Omnimaga à se conformer à ta mentalité. Aussi tu as le droit de dire ton opinion, mais nous avons le droit de dire la nôtre aussi sans se faire dire qu'on est stupide de penser comme ça.
Why not ? Regarding some sig, it looks like it has become an area to prove you have the most beautiful projects or the most enormous sig. Sorry to say that but it is a stupid way of mind. The sig is not for your promotion, it is for people wanting to know more about you, to identifying you easier, to understand if, without knowing you, your post can be trusted for sure.
I hope this little more detail on what a sig is according to the netiquette (without talking about limitation) has opened your mind.
Also @Eeems, do you think for animated GIFs there could be an exception for Z80 and monochrome Casio calc screenshotsMy modern laptop (that has an i7) activates its fan when browsing on some omnimaga topics because of animated GIFs in sigs.
On other pages where said signatures are not present it is fine. Why would we bother consume such power to browse on unrelated topics ?
Obviously, if there is only one or two animated GIFs (which was the case in the said "back in 2003" forums), my CPU is fine, but what would prevent all other people to put animated GIFs if one has the right to ? Either limit their usage or simply forbid them.
providing they are less than 50 KB?Also on MaxCoderz, Casiocalc.org, Omni and Epic Studios, my Pentium II 350 MHz running Windows XP could go through hordes of Metroid, MLC, XXR and Reuben Quest animated GIFs pretty fine. It was a little choppy during scrolling, but not bad enough to make my CPU overheat or stuff like that. Of course the screenshots were much smaller back then, which is why I suggested a strict limit on amount and size. However I like your idea of just using a static screenshot that links to a screenshots thread.
As I said in the other topic, your sig is not your portfolio, you can quickly describe your hobbies with a single sentence, you can put a link to a topic describing all your projects, you also can put other links related to yourself and on what your love doing, not on what you did, it should be static in time.
Why not ? Regarding some sig, it looks like it has become an area to prove you have the most beautiful projects or the most enormous sig. Sorry to say that but it is a stupid way of mind. The sig is not for your promotion, it is for people wanting to know more about you, to identifying you easier, to understand if, without knowing you, your post can be trusted for sure.
I hope this little more detail on what a sig is according to the netiquette (without talking about limitation) has opened your mind.
So, if my english is not crap, what I understand is that you encourage people to prove they have the most beautiful projects using the most enormous sig ?Regarding some sig, it looks like it has become an area to prove you have the most beautiful projects or the most enormous sig. Sorry to say that but it is a stupid way of mind.First, just to make it clear, what you just said here is your opinion, not facts [...] you should have said something like "I think it's a stupid way of mind" rather than "It's a stupid way of mind". Don't try to force everyone here to switch from their mentality to yours.
Besides, I find it ironic that you say that sigs are not for promotion, when you're actually using your site for it (links to 3 sites). IMHO it's fine to use part of your sig for that, since it's discrete.I am just saying by these 3 links that I am the co-administrator of TI-Planet and Inspired-Lua. This helps peoples that do not know me but TI-Planet or Inspired-Lua to understand who I am, not what I've done. If I link my personal website, it is to remove every single gorgeous links to all my projects or my creations. Thus, I do not find this ironic at all.
In case you didn't know, all the profits of my music sales are donated to Omnimaga so that they can afford the next hosting bill and contest prizes. If sigs were really not for promotion and I stopped advertising my music in all forum sigs, then maybe Omni wouldn't even be online anymore today. And on my Bandcamp traffic stats page, a lot of visitors came through Omnimaga topics.Maybe you took the "your sig is not your portfolio" from my post to a personal attack, and it was not.
Well it's still (unintentional?) promotion in some ways, so if you have these 3 links there, then other members should be allowed to link to sites too. Otherwise it's a double-standard. By the way I think the links are fine.QuoteBesides, I find it ironic that you say that sigs are not for promotion, when you're actually using your site for it (links to 3 sites). IMHO it's fine to use part of your sig for that, since it's discrete.I am just saying by these 3 links that I am the co-administrator of TI-Planet and Inspired-Lua. This helps peoples that do not know me but TI-Planet or Inspired-Lua to understand who I am, not what I've done. If I link my personal website, it is to remove every single gorgeous links to all my projects or my creations. Thus, I do not find this ironic at all.
Not really a personal attack, I just thought you wanted every single member (including myself) on this forum to never ever post their own sites in their sig again, regardless of the reason, and I disagreed (to a certain extent) with that and specified my music example.QuoteIn case you didn't know, all the profits of my music sales are donated to Omnimaga so that they can afford the next hosting bill and contest prizes. If sigs were really not for promotion and I stopped advertising my music in all forum sigs, then maybe Omni wouldn't even be online anymore today. And on my Bandcamp traffic stats page, a lot of visitors came through Omnimaga topics.Maybe you took the "your sig is not your portfolio" from my post to a personal attack, and it was not.
I was speaking to people reading my post in a general way, that may have been a bad English written part, sorry.
If I had to comment on your sig, I would only say that the "Reuben Quest Illusiat" is completly offset and may be removed. Of course I do not know what it is and what it represents and you may interpret what you want from this : Why not a reduce it or even make it a text-link ?So my sig is the second worst one?? O.O
On the other hand, the upper part of you sig is completely homogeneous and I have nothing to say on its content since it does not disturb my topic walk-through.
Anyway, you absolutely do not own the worst sig, your sig even could be an example for some people...
I am definitely in favor of people displaying their projects in their sig, and pictures (especially gifs) draw my attention to them a lot more than just a name and a link. Sigs should be all about promotion and representing the member. They also make the pages a lot more colorful, fun, and personal. Who wants a boring text only forum? (not mentioned in this topic, just worst case senario) Out of all the forums out there, I am here the most. Not necessarily because of the unique sigs, but they do help to set the atmosphere.
DJ: There's nothing wrong with your signature, I think it looks professional.
My opinion is that we shouldn't force people to resort to text-only sigsWhere have I said that ? The initial "complain" was about animated gifs that disturb reading and slow down the display (and "activates the fan of my laptop", not "overheat"). Plus spoilers in sigs that margin a lot more than a simple text and is abused to hide tons of useless content (in general, don't make me say what I did not).
I'm just not annoyed about the sigs *as much* as you are and would personally not have made as much a huge thing about it nor tried to force others to think my way.Honestly, I have been reading omnimaga for a long time now (~2y) and saw the sig evolution going worse and worse. I did not had the time to express myself on the topic due to a lot of school projects going on. Now I have some time to discuss, I did it, but it's hard to maintain a constant flow acceptable for the readers. You may have thought my reaction was oversized maybe because of my long silence time.
You're taking my words too literally ; Of course it's an advertisement for TI-Planet ! Anyway ...Well it's still (unintentional?) promotion in some ways, so if you have these 3 links there, then other members should be allowed to link to sites too. Otherwise it's a double-standard. By the way I think the links are fine.QuoteBesides, I find it ironic that you say that sigs are not for promotion, when you're actually using your site for it (links to 3 sites). IMHO it's fine to use part of your sig for that, since it's discrete.I am just saying by these 3 links that I am the co-administrator of TI-Planet and Inspired-Lua. This helps peoples that do not know me but TI-Planet or Inspired-Lua to understand who I am, not what I've done. If I link my personal website, it is to remove every single gorgeous links to all my projects or my creations. Thus, I do not find this ironic at all.
I am definitely in favor of people displaying their projects in their sig, and pictures (especially gifs) draw my attention to them a lot more than just a name and a link. Sigs should be all about promotion and representing the member.For sure, I just don't like the way peoples abuse of it making their sig 10x taller than the topic itself, thus, I was reminding what a sig was (for example in emails or back in 90' text-only forums). This helps to contrast between the abuses and this "picture". It also helps to describe new limitations face to those abuses.
They also make the pages a lot more colorful, fun, and personal. [...] Not necessarily because of the unique sigs, but they do help to set the atmosphere.It creates an atmosphere and I'm not the one who will disagree, but as I said the main reason this discussion exists is because of abuses.
I definitely think spoilers are beneficial for keeping signatures compact, too. For example, if I decided to link to the other 100+ projects I have worked on and completed, I would want them in a spoiler :PThe spoiler acts like a link to a topic listing your projects. Having spoiler made certain person want to create that topic inside of their sig.
I also want to say in response to a previous post that my 1.6GHz computer that is three or four years old has never had trouble with heat issues loading pages. Maybe your ventilation is being blocked?Activating the fan is not only a source of heat, but also a source of throttle the CPU (or GPU) has to run in order to prevent the heat.
saw the sig evolution going worse and worse
Levak: I don't think anyone is going to "hate" you over your opinion! I think its a good thing that you brought it up to keep the signatures in check. I realized that I really didn't need two videos in my signature :) I also realized that not everyone has the fastest internet speed (especially after looking through the post your speed topic) and crazy sigs might really get annoying! I remember when I had to use my cell phone to connect to the internet. No 3g, just my iden phone plugged into my computer and I only had close to dial up speeds, images were not an option :(Yeah I'm glad on my phone I have Tapatalk, because when I use the city bus, other public wi-fi or am not close to the computer things are slow otherwise. I can't download attachments from Tapatalk, though. (It does nothing). GIFs are usually fine but anything with javascript and AJAX just slows down insanely.
Question: On the new board, would some sort of AJAX spoiler tags be feasible, so that the spoiler content doesn't load until expanded?Possibly. Not on the plans right now though.
I also wonder if sig lenght and file size detection would be hard to implement when people change their sig (although file size detection would be easy to circumvent, as the user could upload an 1 KB GIF somewhere then once the sig is edited, replace it with a much larger one)? That way you could get rid of scrollbars, which can be a little annoying when scrolling through pages using a mousewheel.
There was also the episode with signature chatrooms, where there was a site letting you create shoutboxes that showed up in a JPG or PNG then display it in sigs. Some Omni haters at the time used them to circumvent Omni rules by trolling in those chatrooms instead of the forums. O.O