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Omnimaga => Site Feedback and Questions => Topic started by: Levak on July 26, 2013, 10:29:02 am
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Hey,
I'm not a mod obviously, but I think it has been enough of the ponies everywhere invading omnimaga in each post/topic.
Here is an example of two consecutive posts :
Notice : people's name has been blured out, it's not too late to change everything.
Also, not only the ponies, the signatures are being invaded of useless and spamming content.
- Spoilers are not a solution to hide what you don't want people to see.
The computer see it and process it as for the other visible content.
Look at the generated HTML if you don't trust me.
- GIF are
- attractive/distractive
- CPU greedy
- Bandwidth greedy
DO NOT ABUSE OF THEM
- Signature is neither a portfolio, nor a Instagram section.
It's a section where you put useful information about you
Thanks,
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- Signature is neither a portfolio, nor a Instagram section.
It's a section where you put useful information about you
Well I can understand when it is hand-made since it gives useful information about the talents and the hobbies of the person, and I can understand one pony image in a sig to find more easily who shares the same hobby. But I agree that the first person should remove some images, or at least resize them so that there is more content in the post than in the signature.
- Spoilers are not a solution to hide what you don't want people to see.
The computer see it and process it as for the other visible content.
Look at the generated HTML if you don't trust me.
Here too, I can understand someone using spoilers when a signature becomes too large (or like me, when some dead links kill the harmony and waiting for the links come back (if they ever come back)), but for the first person, I don't see why there is only one image in the spoiler and why the rest is out.
Comment on my sig
The Absol says that I am fond of Pokemons, so I can find people sharing the same hobby.
The spoiler for image fails was described in the above paragraph, and even out of spoiler, it is useful information about me (it says what calcs I own, etc).
The Pokemon Topaze bar is "useful information about me" since it says what program I achieved, what language I know (once you click on it you know that I program in Axe) and what calcs I program for (and also a bit of advertising, I agree)
Applejack is "useless", I agree, but I arranged her height so that she doesn't waste space
The last spoiler is kind of useless too at first glance, but in fact it is kind of "useful information about me" in the way it says that you'll have a hard time finding a lot of information about me (so it says that I am in favor of anonymity)
And there is a link at the bottom that is not useful information, but it is still useful.
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Actually, spoilers are more used to limit the space taken by a signature (or to archive old sigs in my case). And yeah I agree some people shouldn't plain abuse ponies (not just in sigs, and I especially think of your 2nd example who will recognize himself). And yeah I should remove those dead links.
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Wasn't/isn't there some rule against Ridiculously Huge Signatures?
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AFAIK, your sig shouldn't be overly huge in height (with spoilers closed) and have at least a share of useful info. But it's pretty much a rule of thumb, and if we see a sig that is incommoding, we warn the user. By the way, as a mod, I encourage everyone to clean up their sigs.
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Levak makes some good points. Signatures should not be excessive or distracting. We don't have any specific rules on signatures, but we have asked people to amend them in the past if necessary. I also didn't realize how many people had a massive amount of hidden content in their sigs in spoiler tags. <_<
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Well my own sig is pretty clean actually (kinda like Hayleia's). I only have one pony gif as my avatar, though I could make it static if necessary.
Also you obfuscated names but we all know that Sorunome loves trolling with ponies so what to expect form a member he lured here ? :P/me hides
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well, i ectra put the hug-me image to the side of the other stuff in a table - if i removed it then the sig height wouldn't change.
And to all my spoilers....i have no idea what is in them, to be honest, i just keep puttin old sig-stuff into spoilers and that's it. But then again, if it is plain text in the spoilers, it shouldn't affect the browsers noticably
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The gigantic signature on my part...
Its Sorunome's fault!
He tricked me!
But (true) jokes aside, I will clean up my signature, but I will keep 1 pony related animation in a spoiler, if you are okay with that(?)
Further more, the reason I put the animation in a spoiler was, to make it a tiny little bit smaller.
Now, I must leave and clear my signature.
EDIT: Is that better?
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I would say stave off on cleaning up your sigs until we (the admins) announce something about it.
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Oh... woops...
Anyways, I don't have much by way of 'usefull information' to put in my signature, but Im sure more will come as time passes by.
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Actually we had signatures rules in the past regarding psychedelic gifs (basically not filling the sig with them) and height, but they were scrapped after Randomist was banned (he was the only reason why we got signature rules).
I don't mind some gifs in sigs, ponies and lot of text as long as the sig isn't too large in height and file size. I don't mind spoilers to hide certain stuff as long as they are not abused to the point where the sig is several KB large. I actually warned someone once who nested 10 spoilers because it slowed down page loading but that was way back in 2011 when I was still admin.
What is the char limit in sigs anyway? I think it was 5000-10000, right? (Maybe 2000 would be better)
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Yeah, char limmit is currently 10 000.
Also, my sig is only 1838 long.
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What is the char limit in sigs anyway? I think it was 5000-10000, right? (Maybe 2000 would be better)
You really don't need more than 500 chars to put in your sig.
I mean, you really don't need more than 200 displayed chars (excluding the bbcode ones).
I know that it can fed up some people to delete their entire sig, but they should remember what is the real goal of a sig.
You don't put 10 000 chars of sig in a mail, this is absurd.
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Also, I removed now the spoilerseption and i'm at less than 500 chars.....
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Also, I removed now the spoilerseption and i'm at less than 500 chars.....
Thanks, but you could have kept the programming language section I guess (aren't we in a programming community ?)
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Actually your sig looks better now (maybe bring back programming languages and shrink down the pony a little more?). As for spoilers I bet that sometimes they take more space than actual text. If, for example, I put the Reuben and Illusiat sites and my social music network advertising in separate spoilers my sig would grow insanely huge.
As for animated GIFs I think they are fine if they are for example like line ponies sprites in juju's sig, but not if the gif takes like 100+ KB. I think GIFs are fine in avatars if not too large and distracting, though. (Eg Streetwalker's is just at the very limit, IMHO).
512 chars for sigs like I saw on most PhpBB sites would be too restrictive, though, because sometimes people just want to add several links in their sig to advertise their stuff. Eg, his latest projects, his personal site, his Youtube account, or in my case, all my music stores and download places. Links takes a lot of chars because of the URL tags and stuff and to put some emphasis on some I use pics that aren't too large. On certain forums I can't even get close to fitting all of them in my sig, so I am forced to remove several links such as Myspace, Reverbnation or Twitter. The main issue is what use people make of those chars, though. It's very easy to have an oversized sig in just 100 chars and it's hard to moderate due to how many users there are.
I try to lead the example with a smaller sig but it's 848 chars long O.OWhat is the char limit in sigs anyway? I think it was 5000-10000, right? (Maybe 2000 would be better)
You really don't need more than 500 chars to put in your sig.
I mean, you really don't need more than 200 displayed chars (excluding the bbcode ones).
I know that it can fed up some people to delete their entire sig, but they should remember what is the real goal of a sig.
You don't put 10 000 chars of sig in a mail, this is absurd.
The problem is that BBCode itself can take ridiculous amounts of space. For example, the URL tag almost completely depends of the URL length and if you want to display a small text rather than a long URL, then that takes even more space.
It's really a matter of opinion, though. I think that 1000-2000 would be just fine and we have moderators who can remove large sigs if they decide to anyway.
Here is my sig bbcode, btw:
Retired 83+ coder, [url=http://www.omnimaga.org]Omnimaga[/url]/[url=http://archives.mtv-music-generator.com]TIMGUL[/url] founder. Now doing power metal music (formerly did electronica)
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Follow me on [url=http://facebook.com/djomnimaga.music]Bandcamp[/url]|[url=http://facebook.com/djomnimaga.music]Facebook[/url]|[url=http://reverbnation.com/djomnimaga]Reverbnation[/url]|[url=http://youtube.com/DJOmnimaga]Youtube[/url]|[url=http://twitter.com/djomnimaga]Twitter[/url]|[url=http://www.myspace.com/djomnimaga]Myspace[/url]
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Maybe then it would be a restriction on the number of lines (+ 1000 chars limit) like on some forums.
Or simply by giving the example like Eeems sig ;)
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I think as long as the sig is smaller than an empty post template it should be fine, but even then, there could be something such as a width/height limit rule like I saw elsewhere. Sometimes mod post a box showing the sig dimensions allowed. That's in addition of the char limit, i mean.
But of course Omni was always meant to be a bit more lax when it comes to sigs, avatar and weird humoristic posts, as long as it stays under control, so even if there were stricter rules, it will never get as far as flat out disallowing images/GIFs entirely nor limiting sigs to 2 lines and 200 non-bbc chars.
Also I think one more problem regarding sigs is that some members use extremely slow or unreliable hosting, such as Imageshack and Heliohost. This is annoying because some images just never load and in some browsers, javascript will only load once the entire page is done loading.
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I can agree that excessive Gifs and spam (at least visible spam) are an issue. Though I can't quite agree with the singling out of MLP as objectionable subject matter.
As far as I see signatures, they're not supposed to be exactly in line with the subject of the forum, but more of a personal space to show things about yourself and interests that you wouldn't be able to put anywhere else in the forums. For instance, anyone who's seen my sig in the last while would see that I'm a bit of a military history buff. That's something I want to show about myself, but the subject matter doesn't fit in with the forum, so the best place to put it is my sig.
It seems to me to be a bit unfair to single out MLP, since I could replace that with something more common, say, Star Wars or Star Trek, and no one would bat an eyelash. Also since there are worse examples of signatures around. For instance, mine had about 8 very large images in a Spoiler showing historical Infantry Formations that I recently removed. But no one ever objected to it, despite it being worse, I would consider, than your first example.
So I really think it would be better to focus on the content of signatures (gifs, videos, large images, etc) rather than the subject matter of that content. Since a Signature is a personal area in nature.
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Yeah I guess it might be a better idea to replace the topic title to something like Signatures & large pics, else some people who don't read the topic content might think you just want admins to disallow all MLP content on Omni in particular but are fine with oversized sigs and gifs showing Marvel comics. :P
Else it's as bad as that one forum where if you said you planned to buy a TI-Nspire, had one or discussed about the calc in positive ways, you were banned.
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I think the reason why ponies "triggered" that topic (and why Star Wars would have not) is because they use bright colors, so they are really "disturbing".
That being said, ponies are a hobby at the same title as Star Wars (not sure if that sentence is correct). But if you want to put it in your sig, just don't put full-screen gifs. Sorunome's sig is quite ok since ponies are not moving and have a transparent background. But the first example is not because gifs have animated ponies on a colored background.
On the same level, I guess that a static StormTrooper helmet would be okay in a sig, but a gif of a lightsaber battle (with bright colors moving) would not.
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Streetwalker's is just at the very limit, IMHO)
Yeah couple people already complained about that. :P I'll fix that when I get on my computer. ;)
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Is mine okay, or should I shorten it?
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Guess what:
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I didn't read the new rules topic, sorry... I'll change it.
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Is mine okay now? (Ponies are hidden.)
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Spoilers are no longer allowed, but I'm not sure if that is definitive.
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Streetwalker's is just at the very limit, IMHO)
Yeah couple people already complained about that. :P I'll fix that when I get on my computer. ;)
actually with your avatar I think just slowing it down (eg 5 FPS) would be make it fine. That said it depends of how much memory it takes as well though.
Is mine okay now? (Ponies are hidden.)
With a 600+ KB large GIF I would say no.
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By the way, I wonder if it would be possible for people to not abuse the words "anypony", "somepony" and "nopony" in calc/programming/help topics and preferably non-humoristic ones too? I don't really mind if those words appears in some rare occasions (such as until a few weeks ago), but if you start using them in every sentence like recently, then this causes the same problem as people who use poor spelling: Google translate totally butchers those sentences (making it much harder for our foreign members to dechiper posts). Besides, we prefer that our members try to use good spelling, proper punctuation and grammar if they know how, so I guess it would also be a good idea to not deliberately mispell words either. :P
English: Anybody who use good grammar gets higher respect from everybody and nobody will look upon somebody for this.
French: Quiconque utilise une bonne grammaire devient plus grand respect de tout le monde et personne ne va regarder quelqu'un pour cela.
English: Anypony who use good grammar gets higher respect from everypony and nopony will look upon somepony for this.
French: Anypony qui utilisent la grammaire devient plus grand respect de everypony et nopony se penchera sur somepony pour cela.
As you know, Google Translate already has some troubles translating stuff properly, but at least in the first sentence, French people can understand. In the 2nd sentence, it sounds more like text from an adult MLP fanfic featuring grammar fetishes.
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^True. Only use this style for pony threads or roleplay.
Plus I've never really saw a correct translation for "everypony" et al. in French.
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I'd say nopony, everypony, somepony and anypony would translate to aucun poney, tous les poneys, quelque-poney and quelque-poney que ce soit in French. :P
And yeah I agree with you that it shouldn't be abused.
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I have cleaned up mine. Is it ok like this or should I remove the dead project? I let it in for now because multiple people have asked for the source code.
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I think it looks fine. It takes up hardly any space.
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By the way, I wonder if it would be possible for people to not abuse the words "anypony", "somepony" and "nopony" in calc/programming/help topics and preferably non-humoristic ones too? I don't really mind if those words appears in some rare occasions (such as until a few weeks ago), but if you start using them in every sentence like recently, then this causes the same problem as people who use poor spelling: Google translate totally butchers those sentences (making it much harder for our foreign members to dechiper posts). Besides, we prefer that our members try to use good spelling, proper punctuation and grammar if they know how, so I guess it would also be a good idea to not deliberately mispell words either. :P
English: Anybody who use good grammar gets higher respect from everybody and nobody will look upon somebody for this.
French: Quiconque utilise une bonne grammaire devient plus grand respect de tout le monde et personne ne va regarder quelqu'un pour cela.
English: Anypony who use good grammar gets higher respect from everypony and nopony will look upon somepony for this.
French: Anypony qui utilisent la grammaire devient plus grand respect de everypony et nopony se penchera sur somepony pour cela.
As you know, Google Translate already has some troubles translating stuff properly, but at least in the first sentence, French people can understand. In the 2nd sentence, it sounds more like text from an adult MLP fanfic featuring grammar fetishes.
to everyone: keep in mind that there are no rules against post contents apart from those which are blatantly illegal or intentionally (hurtful|damaging) as listed here (http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?action=ezportal;sa=page;p=2). thus, if you feel uncomfortable using other pronouns (or saying/not saying anything else), feel free to go ahead and act how you want. however, if you have no particular (affinity for a certain unconventional|aversion to a conventional) phrasing, it is generally good practice to express yourself as clearly as possible, both for your own sake (getting your point across) and for the sake of others (them understanding you). again, this is just a piece of advice (and would be equally as helpful if applied to real-life interactions).
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I bump this thread - not to yell at somebody (once) - in order to exchange with an option I've just found in my profile settings while disabling the "send email notification for each topic replies" :
You can disable the user's signature in Layout > "Don't show user's signature".
Even if I'm not fine yet with some people's signature showing their wild immaturity, I'm fine with this option.
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Ah, I've been browsing Omni with that option for a while now ^^
I'd have done the same for the avatars, but only a minority bothers me, and after a while you get used to recognize people just by glancing at the side, so... hiding them wouldn't be so good anyway
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You can disable the user's signature in Layout > "Don't show user's signature".
I use that for sigs and avatars. I personally don't like the ponies but I think its a personal choice and shouldn't be banned. I do wish there was a restriction on the size though, because big sigs are annoying when you have to keep scrolling down... Mine's only like 15 pixels high.
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You can disable the user's signature in Layout > "Don't show user's signature".
I use that for sigs and avatars. I personally don't like the ponies but I think its a personal choice and shouldn't be banned. I do wish there was a restriction on the size though, because big sigs are annoying when you have to keep scrolling down... Mine's only like 15 pixels high.
There is currently a size restriction. When we notice someone with a signature that is too large we ask them to resize it. If it is still too big we resize it for them.Even if I'm not fine yet with some people's signature showing their wild immaturity, I'm fine with this option.
Maybe you should be a little less rude about how you word that? Some of the members may take offence with you calling them wildly immature.
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Even if I'm not fine yet with some people's signature showing their wild immaturity, I'm fine with this option.
Maybe you should be a little less rude about how you word that? Some of the members may take offence with you calling them wildly immature.
Less rude or less realistic ? I cannot close my eyes (well, its what I'm doing by disabling signatures) on such a thing.
Liking MLP is a fact, flooding and spamming it in every sig is more like a troll or immature thing.
Thus, I hope being rude can make them wake up. I'm not demanding them to change, but if they can understand they are annoying people, it will be a good thing for them.
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Even if I'm not fine yet with some people's signature showing their wild immaturity, I'm fine with this option.
Maybe you should be a little less rude about how you word that? Some of the members may take offence with you calling them wildly immature.
Less rude or less realistic ? I cannot close my eyes (well, its what I'm doing by disabling signatures) on such a thing.
Liking MLP is a fact, flooding and spamming it in every sig is more like a troll or immature thing.
Thus, I hope being rude can make them wake up. I'm not demanding them to change, but if they can understand they are annoying people, it will be a good thing for them.
May I point you to http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?action=ezportal;sa=page;p=2 and strongly remind you that we will enforce them.
Putting it in your signature is not considered spamming, if they were to fill their signature with dozens of images then that would be spamming. So far all I've seen is one image in their signature and their avatar. Which is not spamming.
While you may find it annoying you still do not have the right to be rude or provocative to members of this site. If you have complaints about specific individuals then submit an issue on http://ourl.ca/issue and if you have a request about our policy or changing how the site works use http://ourl.ca/request
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Thus, I hope being rude can make them wake up.
Then many people will hate you for being rude and the message won't pass in the way you intended. You should wake up as well, I think it's definitely not the right way to pass a message.
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The only problem, though, is that only you is whining publicly about this the way you are. The other members who hate large sigs just warn the users directly (or in private, since I saw huge sigs mysteriously shrink down with no one publicly asking them to modify them) and when doing so, they do not attack anyone (in your case, indirectly) telling them they're immature.
Also Levak, before accusing people from being trolls, you should maybe look at yourself. YOU are the troll for the following reasons:
-For trying in every way possible (at least, since the last 6 months or so) to ruin Omnimaga friendly atmosphere.
-For trying in every way possible to start fights with other members by being rude on purpose
-Trying to get a reaction from other people by posting controversial (or controversially-written) messages to make them angry or leave the forums (eg, Stefos)
-Harassment (eg, always jumping on me, although you stopped it seems, or stefos)
-By denying the fact you are actually being rude (at least per Omnimaga standards) and that way, acting like you are perfect, throwing the blame on everyone else (example: your post right above)
-For breaking the forum rules on purpose:
*Flaming (calling people names or insulting them, such as calling them immature)
*Intolerance (insulting someone or an entire group of people for liking MLP, colored sigs, being gay, black, etc, or a calculator RPG for being larger than 5 KB and 1 file, for example)
*Provocative comments (trolling, being confrontational, being rude or anything else that can make people angry)
By being rude, you will only be seen by Omnimaga members as a hater, troublemaker or... ahem... immature member, and they'll ignore you (and eventually your projects) more and more. In fact, a forum feature to ignore all posts by specific users is coming soon, when the site upgrades. I'm sure some people will like it.
Also this is Omnimaga, not TI-Planet, TIBD, Cemetech, Ticalc, MoHPC nor Calcg. Just because a certain level of rudeness is allowed elsewhere doesn't mean it is here, so don't use the excuse that you don't find something rude for using it here.
Besides, admins and staff know their job when it comes to oversized sigs. They'll warn the person (which they seem to have done with one specific sig recently, as it myseriously shrank down in size even if the user is clearly not the type of person who would take the initiative to do so by himself) and a good way to complain about large sigs is to PM the admins about it (or use the post report function, which is faster).
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May I point you to http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?action=ezportal;sa=page;p=2 and strongly remind you that we will enforce them.
I still do not see why using appropriate words is considered "provocative". Even being rude is not provocative, its just a matter of using a different style. I've read along the rules twice before posting it the way I wrote it, trust me. Call it language barrier if you want, I don't have other words to describe my pain.
While you may find it annoying you still do not have the right to be rude or provocative to members of this site. If you have complaints about specific individuals then submit an issue on http://ourl.ca/issue and if you have a request about our policy or changing how the site works use http://ourl.ca/request
You won't hear any request from me if, as you wrote, a single 200*200 image in a sig is considered as spam.
It seems we have different point of view. I personally see a forum-sig as an e-mail sig.
Thus, it is at miles away from what the netiquette (http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1855) says :
- If you include a signature keep it short. Rule of thumb
is no longer than 4 lines. Remember that many people pay for
connectivity by the minute, and the longer your message is,
the more they pay.
The reason why I post it publicly instead of demanding it (not requesting, I know my English) via PM/email, is that I first want to see if I'm not the only one around here thinking there is abuse everywhere. Since abuse is everywhere, nothing is preventing people to stop, and nothing is encouraging people like me to complain, since even admin are thinking everything is normal.
Since nothing is willing to move, I won't fight endlessly, so I disabled user-sig, that's it.
And don't tell me I want to "drive the administrator choice" and "make my own law", I'm just saying things without ornament.
May it please you or not, things have shown that I'm not the only one thinking what I've said.
Irony-proof : Have a nice day,
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Also Levak, before accusing people from being trolls, you should maybe look at yourself. YOU are the troll for the following reasons:
-For trying in every way possible (at least, since the last 6 months or so) to ruin Omnimaga friendly atmosphere.
-For trying in every way possible to start fights with other members by being rude on purpose
-Trying to get a reaction from other people by posting controversial (or controversially-written) messages to make them angry or leave the forums (eg, Stefos)
-Harassment (eg, always jumping on me, although you stopped it seems, or stefos)
-By denying the fact you are actually being rude (at least per Omnimaga standards) and that way, acting like you are perfect, throwing the blame on everyone else (example: your post right above)
-For breaking the forum rules on purpose:
*Flaming (calling people names or insulting them, such as calling them immature)
*Intolerance (insulting someone or an entire group of people for liking MLP, colored sigs, being gay, black, etc, or a calculator RPG for being larger than 5 KB and 1 file, for example)
*Provocative comments (trolling, being confrontational, being rude or anything else that can make people angry)
Okay, goodbye world.
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Well yeah, if you hate endlessly long sigs, just disable it. You can say you don't like it and suggest changes while not trying to enforce them.
I guess why many people went overboard with the sigs is that the character limit was 10000 (it's now 3000) and on many forums it's standard to go overboard (like on xda-developers, it's common to see sigs explaining in detail every single phone they ever own, that and octuple posts for detailing projects, each post being a section).
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Topic locked. PSA: flamewars are annoying. Please don't participate in them, people.