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Omnimaga => Site Feedback and Questions => Topic started by: AngelFish on March 16, 2011, 01:28:45 am

Title: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: AngelFish on March 16, 2011, 01:28:45 am
Since DJ has officially announced his resignation from omnimaga.org and the larger TI/Casio community, Omnimaga now faces the uncertain question of future funding after the hosting bill of $334.89 USD is due in October. While the remaining administrators will attempt to cover as much of the costs as they are reasonably able, the funds are likely to be insufficient. Therefore, on behalf of the staff and moderators, I have posted this poll for public discussion of solutions to the problem of future Omnimaga funding.

Note: Any form of donations will be accompanied by periodic and transparent publications of Omnimaga's financial records in order to assure donors that their money is going towards what they intended it for rather than into the pockets of those responsible for handling the money.

Thank you
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Juju on March 16, 2011, 01:32:07 am
We could sell stuff? That would be a great idea.

Also, if we put ads on the website, make sure they are somewhat discrete.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Darl181 on March 16, 2011, 01:34:02 am
Ticalc.org has those ads by google that I didn't even notice until I saw the news article.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: AngelFish on March 16, 2011, 01:35:45 am
@Juju: Added  :)

Also, if fundraising is unable to meet the bill in time, I'm willing to donate everything that remains up to half of the hosting bill in October.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Juju on March 16, 2011, 01:36:42 am
Weird, I didn't even noticed until Darl181 told me.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: z80man on March 16, 2011, 01:37:02 am
We have kept Omnimaga ad free for a long time. Not only that, but they tend to not draw that much money. I do like Juju's idea of selling stuff. I would totally buy an Omnimaga t-shirt, hat, and calc case. But I would never buy a game because those should always be free.


Edit: add posters and also school supplies to the list. folders, pens, pencils, etc. and could someone make a mock-up of what the t-shirts could look like?
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: AngelFish on March 16, 2011, 01:40:23 am
But would you buy... The Game?  O.O

Sorry, couldn't resist. Back on topic:

How long would sales last, though? Omnimaga.org might not have a large enough community to support it in the long term from T-shirt and calculator sales.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: ralphdspam on March 16, 2011, 01:41:57 am
I would buy an Omni Calc Case :)
Even if ads do not bring in too much money, they are better than nothing at all.  If there are ads, make sure to put them on the search.  I heard that people are more likely to click on those. 
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: TIfanx1999 on March 16, 2011, 02:05:48 am
Papal donations seem the most feasible to me. Adverts in my opinion, are generally annoying and don't generate much revenue.

Cash donations would be ok, but I'm not sure any of us aside from Juju live close enough to go hand DJ some money. :P

Sponsorships... Well, I'm not really sure who would be interested in sponsoring a calculator hobbyist forum (aside from someone already involved in the community that is...).

As far as selling items go, well we would have to decide what to sell, at what markup, and have to setup a system for buying, selling, shipping, and dealing with damaged/defective/lost items. It would take a fair amount of work to say the least.

Just my thoughts anyway.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: yrinfish on March 16, 2011, 02:31:10 am
Where does DJ tell this? What am I missing?
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: TIfanx1999 on March 16, 2011, 02:37:45 am
Frontpage news. Here's the link though: http://ourl.ca/9664
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Juju on March 16, 2011, 02:54:49 am
Cash donations would be ok, but I'm not sure any of us aside from Juju live close enough to go hand DJ some money. :P
Well, you can send money via mail. Also, I think DJ is no longer involved with the funding and all.

Also, you have to sell something like 20 items and you're OK for the year. I think it's feasible...

Anyway, I'm sure that we'll get enough funding to keep the website on forever.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: JustCause on March 16, 2011, 03:02:15 am
I don't have much cash on hand (I'm 15) but if someone can put up an address I'll send everything I can.

Ads seem like the easiest way to raise money. While I agree that an ad-free Omni has been wonderful, clearly the community is going through some changes. The old standards may not apply anymore, and the number one priority should always be keeping the site up.

Merch might pay for a few months, but I don't think we have high enough user growth that it would be worth sustainIng after the initial rush.

Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Eeems on March 16, 2011, 03:02:36 am
I'm not too worried, especially with the fact that I'll be getting a job soon ( within the next couple of months ) and I'll pay for it for sure when I do.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: TIfanx1999 on March 16, 2011, 03:09:18 am
Cash donations would be ok, but I'm not sure any of us aside from Juju live close enough to go hand DJ some money. :P
Well, you can send money via mail. Also, I think DJ is no longer involved with the funding and all.

Also, you have to sell something like 20 items and you're OK for the year. I think it's feasible...

Anyway, I'm sure that we'll get enough funding to keep the website on forever.

Funding no, but as far as I can guess he'd still be the one billed. I don't really know how paying for hosting is set up as I've never paid for web hosting myself. If it isn't in a particular person's name I would think the account billed should be able to be changed. Again, I don't have details, and I'm unsure of how DJ intends to handle it.

I was kidding about handing him money in person. :P Sending money through the mail directly can be done, but it isn't that secure IMHO. I suppose a check could be sent though.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 16, 2011, 03:19:12 am
I'm not gonna be in charge of the donation process. Another admin will have to do it, or another mod/staff.

I guess in the worst case scenario there's 1and1, where's located the domain name, but then that means some errors.

Also one issue now is that since the domain name is included in another $59 hosting package, you would need to move the domain to the other host. It would cost an extra $11 I think (since private registration isn't free) but you wouldn,t have to pay for 2 hosting accounts.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Madskillz on March 16, 2011, 03:30:15 am
Why do you pay that much for hosting DJ? I think you guys could find a better deal out there for half that cost.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 16, 2011, 03:37:20 am
Because we get what we pay for. To be honest, when I lurk on Cemetech, which uses Surpasshosting, I do notice the 7 seconds loading times. Usually, the site loads fast, but the slow times happens often enough to be noticeable and even annoying in some cases. Omnimaga had the same problem on 1and1. Cheap host == overcrowded servers == lower performance. We prefered to stick away from oversellers after the horror stories we heard from people who had million-hit sites running on a cheap host.

Also, cheaper hosts have more limited PHP. Our spambot mod didn't work on 1and1 and Kerm told me Surpasshosting used Safe mode PHP and the functions required by the anti spam (www.stopforumspam.com I think) were not supported by them.

However, if people can't afford better but more expensive hosting, I guess you'll have to go with Surpasshosting or return with 1and1. The latter is more likely as the domain name is also there and it's all set up, but when we get 5 million hits in a month it's not gonna be fun. :/

TL;DR: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/wiki/Overselling

Also ads won't do any good, because I heard that in 3 years, ticalc.org got like the price of 2 beers with their ads.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: AngelFish on March 16, 2011, 03:38:21 am
The hosting pays for the bandwidth, uptime, and space. Hosting itself is just generally expensive.

Also, looking at paypal, Omnimaga doesn't technically qualify (under American law) as a non-profit, so we'd have to pay standard rates on donations. That's 2.2%, which means that we'd actually have to raise $342.42 instead of $334.89 if funding was to come solely from that.

EDIT: DJ, but they were good beers!  :P
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Madskillz on March 16, 2011, 03:46:33 am
I understand the reasoning behind spending more for hosting, UTI currently has some pretty shoddy hosting.

$300 just seems like a lot of cash, I think you could get away with something for half that and still have it relatively fast. I'm just throwing that out as an option. I can't remember what RS uses but when we made the front page of slashdot and all those other sites and had 600 people visiting the forums at once for a good majority of the day...we never had any issues.

Keeping these sites going is important and I'm sure something can be figured out.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 16, 2011, 03:54:54 am
I notice a lot of downtimes on Revsoft too. Sorry to say. But yeah I guess we won't have any choice if no one can pay enough.

Personally I was just disgusted at the recent events, which is what lead to this and the removal of my ticalc.org profile.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Stefan Bauwens on March 16, 2011, 04:20:18 am
This makes me really sad, I'll miss you deeply DJ_O!
I also don't have a lot of money(I'm 15 too), so I voted for advertisements, but then I read DJ_O's post about that its really little.
I'm also very sad that you're off ticalc.org
But seeing everything, it looks like people might donate.
But DJ_o, is there a chance you might ever return?
:( :( :(
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 16, 2011, 04:30:24 am
I might return, or stay, kinda, but I have lost all interest I had to contribute anything signifiant. Some people in particular really disgusted me in the past 3 weeks, and tonight was the final straw. Also don't worry, I really mean people that don't care how other feel or do no effort to be nice, not nice people like you or a few others that do unintentional mistakes. People who are worried that they are concerned can PM me, so I can confirm it's not them.

I am confident Omni will continue to live and that the IRC channel will eventually return to normal, but I am too disgusted by what certain heartless people did to devote any time to the TI community anymore.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Jim Bauwens on March 16, 2011, 06:41:41 am
I hope that you will be able to take a good rest, DJ_O.
What you have done for this forum is incredible! Replying to basically every thread in this forum, and keeping us updated with all the news in the TI world.

I'm sorry to see you go, but I fully understand your reasons.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: aeTIos on March 16, 2011, 08:06:00 am
I won't care for longer loading times or so, wasnt the last server 1and1, I have never thought "ugh what is it slow" or so. I wont be upset until >15 seconds loading time
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: yunhua98 on March 16, 2011, 10:19:35 am
I hope you won't leave permanently DJ.  D:  I can't really help pay for the site, but I think Donations via cash and Paypal will work.  Some years we may have extra, and we could save it for the next year, and so on.  ;)  I guess the only way to keep this site running is to work hard together and raise enough money to pay.  ;)
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Xeda112358 on March 16, 2011, 02:14:00 pm
I would love to help out if I can, but I, too, am a little strapped for cash. I voted for the merchandise thing because I think that could work. Maybe we could get in contact with TI and have custom designed face plates and whatnot, or carrying cases. Heck, maybe we could start making skins for the calcs? I also like the idea of donations. If you make a donations section, you could include something like this to put it into perspective how much a donation can help:

$16.75~5%
$33.50~10%

The best part is, if donations do exceed the cost for this by enough, the extra can go toward competition prizes.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Juju on March 16, 2011, 02:19:37 pm
That's a really good idea Xeda :D
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Stefan Bauwens on March 16, 2011, 02:21:45 pm
We even could put this at the beginning of each new calc program we create(or would that sound too desperate?)
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: SirCmpwn on March 16, 2011, 02:23:57 pm
I'm willing to pay the entire bill, come October.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Stefan Bauwens on March 16, 2011, 02:26:06 pm
I'm willing to pay the entire bill, come October.
O.O
That would really be nice, but Eeems was saying something about a cheaper hosting plan, so we should see still a little.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Eeems on March 16, 2011, 02:28:38 pm
I'm willing to pay the entire bill, come October.
O.O
That would really be nice, but Eeems was saying something about a cheaper hosting plan, so we should see still a little.
It's the hosting plan my dad uses. I'm not sure how fast it would be though
http://www.startlogic.com/ <- hosting
http://doxa-canada.com/ <- My dad's site for speed comparison etc
It is an option if we really need to, and I know the customer support is good, and it's been around for years now with not much problems other then a little downtime while they were doing upgrades.
We don't have to switch though or anything but it is a possibility if we really are too tight on cash.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Stefan Bauwens on March 16, 2011, 02:31:49 pm
It goes quite fast. I wouldn't mind it. :)
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Munchor on March 16, 2011, 02:34:20 pm
I vote on discreet Google Ads and PayPal donation button.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Stefan Bauwens on March 16, 2011, 02:36:17 pm
If the Google ads are discrete, less people will click on them and you will get less money. Besides DJ_O said that you don't earn much with that.
Paypal donation probably will come, but if we get a cheaper hosting plan its even better. ;)
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Munchor on March 16, 2011, 02:38:31 pm
If the Google ads are discrete, less people will click on them and you will get less money. Besides DJ_O said that you don't earn much with that.
Paypal donation probably will come, but if we get a cheaper hosting plan its even better. ;)

You get a few cents per click, all we have to do is click :P

I agree with a cheaper hosting plan too, and I don't mind having to archive older parts of the forum (threads really old)
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Eeems on March 16, 2011, 02:40:40 pm
If the Google ads are discrete, less people will click on them and you will get less money. Besides DJ_O said that you don't earn much with that.
Paypal donation probably will come, but if we get a cheaper hosting plan its even better. ;)

You get a few cents per click, all we have to do is click :P

I agree with a cheaper hosting plan too, and I don't mind having to archive older parts of the forum (threads really old)
Hmm, well maybe. No decisions are going to be made yet. I still have to talk to the rest of the admins.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Munchor on March 16, 2011, 02:41:25 pm
If the Google ads are discrete, less people will click on them and you will get less money. Besides DJ_O said that you don't earn much with that.
Paypal donation probably will come, but if we get a cheaper hosting plan its even better. ;)

You get a few cents per click, all we have to do is click :P

I agree with a cheaper hosting plan too, and I don't mind having to archive older parts of the forum (threads really old)
Hmm, well maybe. No decisions are going to be made yet. I still have to talk to the rest of the admins.

of course, such big and crucial decisions can't be taken by one admin alone.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Eeems on March 16, 2011, 02:43:07 pm
Exactly. Just trying to get a good time to discuss these things with the others.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Ashbad on March 16, 2011, 02:45:10 pm
I can only really donate up to $50, if it helps though
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Munchor on March 16, 2011, 02:45:18 pm
Exactly. Just trying to get a good time to discuss these things with the others.

And despite having a few months till October we should be planning as soon as we can.
I feel like most of you are already aware of this and agree with me, though.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: matthias1992 on March 16, 2011, 03:25:55 pm
Hmm..appstore anyone? I know this community is VERY open-source so I don't think this idea has a chance but I am telling you anyways. If it is like $0.50 per game (which the community could make) and if we provide good enough computer/transfer tools to go along with it...why not?

The only issue would be that we need alot of games and good apps before you can even open this sort of shop...I think it could work, if it is cheap and well promoted and if the software is extremely easy to use..well...I surely think it could stand a chance! I mean seriously a lot of people like gaming on calcs but they find it too hard to transfer and all that, if we can set a new standard that is fun and easy to use....we are done. O yeah btw I have seen math helping apps been paid for like $10 or $20 so...

Math-helping/aiding apps would probably the greatest selling app-genre anyway, I can't tell you how much people want these kind of things but dont want the hassle of figuring it out...
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: AngelFish on March 16, 2011, 03:41:54 pm
The problem with an app store is that if we're going to charge people, we need some sort of quality control, in addition to stuff that people will buy. Plus, considering that most of the people who would see it are technically minors, how would you convince the parents to go to the trouble of paying for it?

EDIT: I think the poll speaks for itself. Paypal and sales appear to be the way to go.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Munchor on March 16, 2011, 04:21:26 pm
If Mrakoplaz sold each copy of nDoom for $1, we'd earn some money :)

But I agree with Mathias, math programs make more money, but then again, nobody will ever buy calculator software, believe what I am saying.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Yeong on March 16, 2011, 04:23:02 pm
So we should targetconvince the poor "over-consumerism-ized people" to buy it?(Maybe Math Teachers)
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Munchor on March 16, 2011, 04:24:39 pm
So we should targetconvince the poor "over-consumerism-ized people" to buy it?(Maybe Math Teachers)

It's impossible to sell calculator software, it really is. Believe me, I'm not being pessimistic, but I'm sure ofit.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Yeong on March 16, 2011, 04:25:40 pm
If there's an appstore for CX, we might be able to.(But I doubt it)
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Munchor on March 16, 2011, 04:27:36 pm
If there's an appstore for CX, we might be able to.(But I doubt it)

I actually believe selling stuff for the PRIZM would be easier, since it's newer, and the availability of software is much lower.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Yeong on March 16, 2011, 04:29:07 pm
Yea, I agree.
I wish I could buy Prizm.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Munchor on March 16, 2011, 04:30:32 pm
Yea, I agree.
I wish I could buy Prizm.

The PRIZM is not very popular among students for now on the other hand.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: AngelFish on March 16, 2011, 04:30:45 pm
I think we need to get people to buy Prizms before they will buy software for them :P

EDIT: Slightly Ninja'd
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Munchor on March 16, 2011, 04:33:01 pm
I think we need to get people to buy Prizms before they will buy software for them :P

EDIT: Slightly Ninja'd

Yup, so we need to develop software before they buy them, I bought my calculator due to the software available for it at the time.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: willrandship on March 16, 2011, 04:37:03 pm
How much of the space we use is taken up by uploads? I know there's a lot, and reducing our space could reduce hosting costs, by finding a different place for the files, like perhaps sourceforge, or a community dropbox (not free though)

Also, maybe TI would sponsor us......:P
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Xeda112358 on March 16, 2011, 04:40:46 pm
I personally don't like the idea of selling calc programs/software, but:
http://www.unitedti.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=8032&pid=143611&st=0&#entry143611
just sayin, people do exist who would be willing to pay.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: SirCmpwn on March 16, 2011, 04:41:08 pm
An AppStore is actually something I'm thinking of working on for gCn, where you pay for a service that gives you direct downloads to your calculator.  I'm also working on a gCn MMO that could be subscription based.  All proceeds would of course go directly to helping the community.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Xeda112358 on March 16, 2011, 04:46:11 pm
Here is another cool idea that might come to fruition in a few years...
http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?board=118.0
If these projects get finished then that is something that could provide the community with revenue.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: yunhua98 on March 16, 2011, 04:48:56 pm
Here is another cool idea that might come to fruition in a few years...
http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?board=118.0
If these projects get finished then that is something that could provide the community with revenue.
That's supposed to keep going this summer.  ;)
although we'll need donation to start up anyway.  :P
actually, paying for this year or any year isn't the problem, its really guaranteeing we have a steady supply of money to keep going...
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Munchor on March 16, 2011, 05:03:20 pm
OTCalc could make some money =D
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Happybobjr on March 16, 2011, 06:14:17 pm
I wouldn't mind google ads.
I think there should be a small section of everyprogram where it just say Omnimaga.org
I think A tiny shop might be nice.  Only things such as custom cases etc.  It would also have to be done personally to save money.
I feel Omnimaga could be slower.  It is faster than I need it.
Sue the butts off of people selling our games on ebay.  It isn't as bad as the beginning of the year but still...
Ask TI to sponsor us.  We won't know until we try.  Our games do get them publicity, aand they might chip in a tiny (for them) $25-50 per year.  I really think that they might.
Just my 10 cents ;)

If Mrakoplaz sold each copy of nDoom for $1, we'd earn some money :)

But I agree with Mathias, math programs make more money, but then again, nobody will ever buy calculator software, believe what I am saying.

Hahaha./me laughs at scouts foolishness.
There are usually ones for the 83+  family, but I don't see any today.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Texas-Instruments-TI-89-Titanium-Calculus-Programs-/330542217009?pt=Calculators&hash=item4cf5d9f731
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Here's what you get!!

 

Your choices on the Calculator Menu

 

 

Index8()    (Type this onto the home screen entry line of your calculator)

 

1:     Quit                                                                                               

2:     a & b vectors

1:     Quit

2:     a+b

3:     a-b

4:     b-a                                                                                                                                                                                               

5:      a+b+w                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

6:     Unit vector direction of a

7:     (n)*a

8:     (n)*a + (n)*b

9:     a . b (Dot Product)

A:            a x b (Cross Product)

B:     b x a

C:     cos(a & b)

D:            Equation of a Plane

E:     Projection of a on b

F:     Projection of b on a

G:     Component a in direction u

H:            Area of parallelogram by a & b

 I:     New a,b Vectors

J:      P & Q Points

3:     Acceleration

4:     Area of Parallelogram

5:     Component of a direction u

6:     cos( a & b)

7:     Cross Product

8:     Curl

            1:     Instructions

2:     Curl definition

3:     Do Curl Problem

1:                Conservative?

2:                Compute x,y,z, Points

3:                Another Problem

4:                Quit

9:     Divergence of Vector Field

 1:     Instructions

 2:     Do Problem

           1:     Definition

           2:     Do Problem

                       1:     Calculate at a Point?

                                   1:                Yes

                                   2:   No

A:     Dot Product

B:     Equation of a Tangent Plane to a Surface

C:     Gradient

                            1:                                Instructions

                            2:                                Definition

                            3:                                2 Variables

                            4:                                3 Variables

D:     Trig d/dx – Identities & Integration

1:     Quit?

2:     1+cos(2x)2

3:     1-cos(2x) / 1+cos(2x)

4:     1-cos(2x)/2

5:     cos(2x)

6:     cos(x)

7:     cos²(x)

8:     cot(x)

9:     csc(x)

A:            csc²(x)

B:     sec(x)

C:     sec²(x)

D:            sin(2x)

E:     sin(x)

F:     sin²(x)

G:     sin²(x) + cos²(x) = 1

H:            tan(x)

I:      tan²(x)

E:     Integral

1:     Rewrite the Integrand

2:     Evaluate

           F:     Linear Approximation

                                                       1:    Run Program

  1:                                                        1:     1 Variables

                                                             2:             2 Variables

                                                             3:             3 Variables

                                                      2:     Instructions

G:     Linear                      G:     Linear Equations (Standard)

H:     Line Int                     H:     Line Integral

I:     Mass of                      I:     Mass of Spring/Wire

             J:     Parametric Equations

         K:    Path of an Object

        1:        Find Path of an Object

   1:             Angle in degrees or:

   2:             Angle in radians?

        1:    Max Height

        2:        Max Distance

      3:     Time @ Max Height

        4:     Time @ Distance on Ground

        5:     Time @ Height on Curve

        6:     Time Object hits Ground

        7:     Height @ Time on Curve

        8:     Height @ Distance on Ground

        9:     New Problem

        A:    Quit

           2:     Find initial velocity, Vo

           3:     Quit

     L:     Polar to Rectangular Conversion

     M:     P&Q Points

     1:        Vector between P&Q

     2:        Vector Length  ||PQ||

     3:        Unit Vector PQ / ||PQ||

     4:        Unit Vector Opposite Direction

     5:        Mid-Point  P+Q/2

     6:        Equation of a Sphere

     7:        New P&Q Points

     8:        Vectors a & b

     9:        Quit

   N:     Position Vectors

   O:     Projection of a on b, b on a

   P:     Quadratic Formula

   Q:     Rectangular to Polar

   R:     Speed

   S:     Sphere Equation

   T:     Surface Integral (x,y Plane)

   U:     Trig d/dx – Identities & Integrals

   V:     Unit Tangent Vector

   W:    Vectors

   X:     Velocity

   Y:     Volume of Parallelepiped

  1:     Definition

  2:     Do Problem

   Z:     Work done by a Force

                  1:     Definite Integral f(x,y,z)?

                  2:     Differential Form M,N,P?

        :Quit

 

               

For sale are calculus programs for the above calculator which I e-mail to you and you download them into your computer and then your calculator. These programs don’t simply give you the answer, but show you every step and calculation along the way. The programs prompt you for the specific variables for the problem, and then you write each step on your paper, as you press enter for each new calculator screen until the problems completion.  This will  “show your work” as professors require.  I programmed them from my mid-term tests and finals tests in my calculus II and calculus III classes and passed the tests with A’s.  These programs will help you also, certainly learn, pass tests or even ace them with ‘A’s if you’re allowed to use the calculator during tests.  If you can do perfect just 4 problems on your test, quickly and perfect because of my programs, then you can get on to more difficult ones. This doesn’t mean that you don’t need to study or understand somewhat the most useless of math courses in your life, calculus (yes, interesting and true; a fundamental concept for decay, volumes, areas, trajectories etc. but useless to you unless you re-teach it, even if you work at NASA). Every college has calculus in their curriculum, at nauseam, no matter what your major, generally, 3 semesters, (I, II, III). The last two semesters (and I’m adamant about this as an engineering major at 55 yrs old) is a waste of time unless your going to teach this crap to someone else by being a math major.  Everyone should know something about calculus to be a well rounded, knowledgeable person in life, but the last two semesters of it is like taking two semesters of crossword puzzles, or studying Latin, or clarinet, all worthless unless you’re into that sort of thing.  I could teach all of it in one semester, and yet you’d never then do a derivative or integral after you leave college, let alone find the mass of a spring. My (Tom’s) theorem states: “College teaches you everything you never wanted to know about things that make no difference”. You will Cram, Test, and Forget your way through college.  So ----- Study it, pass it, forget it, play the game, and move on with your degree and life. ALL the following words and items in the following index of programs you will be required to learn or know and be tested on as you take calculus in the future, I’ll guarantee it.   Why not pass it the first time.

                 

Think of what you spent on books this semester, for parking or happy hour. Compare that to the cost of my programs, nothing. My programs, representing hundreds of hours of my programming time alone are worth easily what your books cost, and you can buy them for whatever here.  The three-variable linear approximation problem, or vector calculations alone are worth any price.  After you pass calculus you can always re-sell the calculator (and you will get around $30 more for the calculator because my programs are loaded into the calculator), or keep it and have a system of doing these problems years later for you kids.  Anything is better than to CTF (Cram, Test and Forget).

My programs are guaranteed and come with instructions; if you need help in running them, e-mail me.  If after trying them you don’t want them and want your money back e-mail me and I’ll do it immediately,  (I’ve sold hundreds of programs and no one has ever asked for their money back) so you can be the first.

 

You WILL enjoy my programs.  Unlike much of college, this is real teaching and real useful stuff. Good luck, Tom
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: AngelFish on March 16, 2011, 06:51:07 pm
I don't see this debate ending without us actually testing the app idea, so how about we hold a contest and put the winners of the contest in a test store?
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Happybobjr on March 16, 2011, 06:57:14 pm
I don't see this debate ending without us actually testing the app idea, so how about we hold a contest and put the winners of the contest in a test store?
about selling?
I don't think people would mind losing a buck or two.
I think that the problem would be that people don't want to take the time to buy it.  I hate downloading programs just because of ti-connect.  Buying would just make things worse.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: SirCmpwn on March 16, 2011, 07:52:30 pm
I think an idea like this is feasible, but requires signifigant knowledge of calculator and computer programming.  I'll come back to you guys in a while with a full writeup of how this could potentially work, and perhaps some demos.  Let me take over from here - this kind of thing is what I do for a living.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Happybobjr on March 16, 2011, 08:10:01 pm
Perhaps we can buy a demo of Knight OS?
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: SirCmpwn on March 16, 2011, 08:17:16 pm
Naw, I've got some ideas.  Let me get them written down, and we can go from there.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Juju on March 16, 2011, 08:23:57 pm
I like this idea of a gCn powered app store. Of course, making people buy software is a kinda bad idea IMHO, I dunno who said this, perhaps DJ, but our games should remain free, but still, the concept is a good idea :P
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: SirCmpwn on March 16, 2011, 08:35:26 pm
Well, of course lots of software will be free, and a generous portion of the profits will go to the developer.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: qazz42 on March 16, 2011, 08:41:44 pm
I say ads as it is the best way to do it :/
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: TC01 on March 16, 2011, 08:53:58 pm
Kerm was planning a calc software repository hosted on one of his servers accessible from gCn. He mentioned it (at least in) my ticalc.org package manager (http://www.cemetech.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5392) thread on Cemetech:

Quote from: KermMartian
...I'm interested in building a file transfer / FTP-type CALCnet2.2 app, and if I do, I may implement some extended form of your software to enable calculators to directly browse ticalc.org and download software.

Quote from: KermMartian
Well, I'm imagining something running entirely on my server, so that there's just one centralized source for files.  It would present an FTP-like hierarchy of files to the user, and when the user chose to fetch a particular .zip, it would be responsible for opening the zip, extracting the *.8x* files, and passing each such file to the client over gCn.

Not sure quite what point I'm trying to make here with that :P.

But I feel like the only people who would actually buy the calculator software in this case would be people who wanted to support Omnimaga (or the developers, I guess?). Yeah, people do sell calc software, but the target is not usually members of the calc community. It's people who think a $15 dollar suite of BASIC math programs for the 83+ is an "Operating System".

And having an entirely free alternative that works the same way (i.e. over gCn, thus requiring DoorsCS, but accessing all of ticalc.org) probably won't help.

So as I said, I really only see people who would be donating money anyway actually buying the software.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Snake X on March 16, 2011, 09:11:40 pm
Ok I have a suggestion for this: cafe press! I think that if we can set up a store there and offer calculator accessories that have our branding on them, then we could get some revenue :D
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Xeda112358 on March 16, 2011, 09:34:05 pm
/me searches for this cafe press

EDIT:Ah, cool, I like that idea :D
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: AngelFish on March 16, 2011, 09:48:37 pm
I like cafepress simply because of this shirt (http://www.cafepress.com/+your_calculator_cant_help_shirt,33784129). Of course, I'm typically the one snickering at the people who wear these types of shirts when they're trying to find an analytical solution that doesn't exist and I was finished approximating one ten minutes ago :P

It's actually happened before >.>
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Juju on March 16, 2011, 10:18:43 pm
Yeah, I setup a cafepress or something similar once... It's kinda fun.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: SirCmpwn on March 16, 2011, 10:19:03 pm
So I've been thinking about an app store-style thing for calculators for a while now, this just provides a great excuse to follow through with it :) I'm working on some stuff, and some of the information will be released to the public soon.  For now, just know some exciting stuff is on the way :)
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Juju on March 16, 2011, 10:23:16 pm
Sounds very exciting, Sir. :P
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: SirCmpwn on March 16, 2011, 10:25:37 pm
Well, I have a considerably sized document in progress with "CONFIDENTIAL" in a large watermark across it ;)
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: alberthrocks on March 16, 2011, 10:27:20 pm
I've been working on such a thing too for C2I... :P
Maybe we can combine our efforts and make it a reality? :D
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: calcdude84se on March 16, 2011, 10:28:02 pm
If we have a store with good programs, I'd be motivated to clone them for myself... A slight productivity booster, perhaps? :P
Slightly more seriously, it's an interesting idea. But I kinda agree with what Happybobjr said at the top of the previous page :/
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: SirCmpwn on March 16, 2011, 10:28:11 pm
Per...haps.  The document that I'm working on will be kept internal, no questions asked.  However, public information will be released.  With this in mind, I'm not too comfortable bringing in anyone who isn't staff.

Slightly more seriously, it's an interesting idea. But I kinda agree with what Happybobjr said at the top of the previous page :/
As for this, I'm factoring in the inconvenience factor, and that won't be a problem.  (I'm trying to avoid any specific details at this point, so forgive my vagueness).
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: alberthrocks on March 16, 2011, 10:33:15 pm
Bleh.... my spec will be open - I invite anyone who would like to help to pitch in and help out :)
Unfortunately, it's not "complete" yet, so I'll have to work on it a bit before it's ready for public contribution.

My idea is to have an open spec that anyone could implement so that the calc app store is universal, and not locked to one person, site, etc., as well as make it easy and universal to implement on the calc and PC. ;)
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Happybobjr on March 16, 2011, 10:54:10 pm
Unfortunately there are relatively few people that come to Omnimaga compared to Ticalc.org.
I don't think we would get allot of people w/o serious help from ticalc.  Maybe have a pay section that links to Omnimaga?
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 16, 2011, 11:02:10 pm
Personally I'M totally against selling calc software. We'll instantly get a bad reputation, noticing comments towards people who tried to sell stuff they made for calcs on UTI and other sites before. Also I'm not gonna be in charge of coding a store. Also we're not gonna sell other ppl programs, that would be unethical and wrong, since it's not our properties. This isn't to mention it's easy to crack softwares anyway.

Personally I would go with donations and maybe a t-shirt/goodies stores or something.

Also it would be preferable to not archive old topics. They can be interesting sometimes. If we're gonna move to a cheaper host, you'll have to make sure databases aren,t limited to 100 MB or something
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: jnesselr on March 16, 2011, 11:23:07 pm
Yeah, I'm totally against selling software as well.  I wish I could help pay, but unfortunately, I don't have the excess money to.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Juju on March 17, 2011, 12:16:43 am
Yeah, me too, but I'm totally sure people would donate. Someone even said he was ready to pay half and even the entire hosting on IRC I think.

And an Omnimaga shirt would totally be cool. But I think calc stuff like Omnimaga cases would be too much and give us a somewhat "commercial" reputation, which we aren't. And I agree on the fact not free programs is wrong.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Eeems on March 17, 2011, 12:43:07 am
I'm pretty sure that we patterned out app store after cydia's model, only some of the apps are being sold, the rest are free, at the creators digression. Most of the proceeds go to the developer. Maybe have some sort of libraries for third parties too? This would help ease the bad rep, and it would be based off of a practical and proven method. If a developer wants to sell their hard work instead of go open source, it's up to them. A demo system might be nice, or required screenshots or something, so people don't feel rippe of if it's not as good as they thought.

I usually prefer open sourced software, but I also appreciate the fact that some people want something back for their work other then just appreciation. Who are we to call it wrong, people do it all the time in the computer software world. It is a little hard fo our community to get use to though after so long with everything being free.

This shirts and stuff idea is also cool :)
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Juju on March 17, 2011, 12:46:43 am
Yeah, Cydia is a good example of package management, as well as Debian's APT, on which Cydia is based.

Also, now who's in charge of setting up the store and the paypal account?
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: z80man on March 17, 2011, 01:12:01 am
I quickly just drew up an idea for what the t-shirts could look like. Obviously they are not perfect, but I think they get the point across. The only problem was that the site I designed them at charged $23 per shirt with only three colors in use. I can probably find a local screen printer with a much lower rate though.

(http://img.removedfromgame.com/imgs/wm-front.jpg)(http://img.removedfromgame.com/imgs/wm-back.jpg)
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: SirCmpwn on March 17, 2011, 01:18:03 am
Give me some time, I'm still working on a very detailed business model for a secure calculator app store.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Juju on March 17, 2011, 01:21:56 am
My mom just told me she got a friend who have good prices on custom shirts for his band, more details tomorrow. :P
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Ikkerens on March 17, 2011, 02:06:47 am
As some of you might know, I've been working on a Splut port for android lately.
I'm going to have a paid version on the market as well.
Using that, I'm willing to donate a % (should there be any profit on selling Splut ^^).

But please, no ads...

Edit: And maybe a special "Donator" tag on Omnimaga to encourage people? ^^
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: cooliojazz on March 17, 2011, 03:09:06 am
My idea for T-Shirts (see attached images).  The back would include a lot more names in a slightly better spiral in the final.  I listed them in order of posts, and I figure people can opt out if they really don't want their name on there for whatever reason.  And I probably should Kerm about using the Ultimate calculator in the design, but he wasn't on when I made this =P
EDIT, umm wow, i didnt expect them to be so large.  I'll upload them on my site then link, hold on...
(http://up.x10.mx/shirtfront.png)(http://up.x10.mx/shirtback.png)
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Stefan Bauwens on March 17, 2011, 04:27:08 am
They look nice, but I don't think we even have to sell anything. I think donations will give enough money, after I read what people wrote.

EDIT:If now the people who are willing to donate money for omnimaga say it and how much, we can quickly find out if thats enough.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Netham45 on March 17, 2011, 05:58:14 am
cafepress anyone? I'd buy an Omnimaga hoodie.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: TIfanx1999 on March 17, 2011, 08:16:50 am
So we should targetconvince the poor "over-consumerism-ized people" to buy it?(Maybe Math Teachers)

It's impossible to sell calculator software, it really is. Believe me, I'm not being pessimistic, but I'm sure of it.
Personally I'M totally against selling calc software. We'll instantly get a bad reputation, noticing comments towards people who tried to sell stuff they made for calcs on UTI and other sites before. Also I'm not gonna be in charge of coding a store. Also we're not gonna sell other ppl programs, that would be unethical and wrong, since it's not our properties. This isn't to mention it's easy to crack softwares anyway.
Personally I would go with donations and maybe a t-shirt/goodies stores or something.

Also it would be preferable to not archive old topics. They can be interesting sometimes. If we're gonna move to a cheaper host, you'll have to make sure databases aren,t limited to 100 MB or something


I agree about not selling apps, TI tried it years ago and epic failed. Calc software should be free. IMHO that's one of the biggest pluses of our great community! You also have to remember our target audience is students and hobbyist. Students are usually quite lacking in funds most of the time, and most likely could better spend their money on other things. Even 5$ at a time adds up. *edit*:Plus what DJ said about cracking. Once an app is out, what's to stop someone from copying and re-distributing it?*edit*


@Cooliojazz: I like the shirt design, very nice. If there is a site that we can do shirts, hats and maybe hoodies from, I'd support that idea too if it was a well managed site and the prices are decent.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: calcdude84se on March 17, 2011, 08:23:05 am
I'd totally buy that shirt if I could. Nice, cooliojazz :)
[bigego]Hey, my name's on there ;D[/bigego] :P
Edit: Ah, the order is by most posts. That'd explain it.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: jnesselr on March 17, 2011, 09:25:17 am
I like the idea of selling android or iphone apps, though.  That would be nice.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Snake X on March 17, 2011, 04:38:31 pm
lol I guess a lotta people like my cafe press Idea. I would totally buy an omni T-Shirt! :P Also yeah I would like to see some collectables/goods sold.. a plush blue lobster perhaps? :D that would go right ontop of my new computer too :P
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Stefan Bauwens on March 17, 2011, 05:05:52 pm
Quite expensive:
http://jouets.stores.yahoo.net/lobster-plush-animal-dark-blue.html

Edit: http://haokutoys.en.gongchang.com/product/822531
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 17, 2011, 06:07:43 pm
Hmm for t-shirts, I think the Omni banner one should be more black, so it fits well, adn I think there should be one with just the Omni logo on it too. A white and black T-shirt, maybe, and a black/blue one with just the 2001 logo on them.

Various ideas are welcome, even calc game heroes sprites, but Cafepress limits the logo sizes, IIRC, from what TsukasaZX told me a year ago...
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: yunhua98 on March 17, 2011, 06:20:31 pm
Starfow mockups in the Star Fox thread, those were amazing.  :P
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: ee511 on March 17, 2011, 08:56:39 pm
Just put the *^%&% donate button up already!! I'm itching to donate my $20! but more seriously, this needs to be done soon, so that all of the various floaters who come to the site will see the donate button.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Happybobjr on March 17, 2011, 09:01:34 pm
I am worried for 2 reasons.

1.)  People won't feel recognized for there contributions.
2.) If they are, then perhaps we will have trolls who hate on those who donate (other than the fact that trolls hate on all :/ )

What I am getting at is there should be a little area that shows how much has been contributed (at users agreement).  There should be an increased amount of supervision too to make sue people aren't doing number 2.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 24, 2011, 06:34:49 pm
So far it looks like there could be a Cafepress shop to sell some random Omnimaga-themed merchandise, but the two problems that arises are that I am unsure if any of the staff has paypal privileges and such things, due to being under 18 or other constraints and I am unsure if I feel like spending lots of time designing things like t-shirts. The other issue is that it seems like the free version of the shop only let us have one item of each kind, so that would limit our range of articles a lot. There's a $4.99/month store, but then the issue is that in long terms, the store would obviously stop selling anything anymore, meaning we would lose money.

1and1 also has a shop service, but it seems to be a third-party, and they only sell t-shirts.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Juju on April 24, 2011, 06:45:02 pm
Cafepress? You may use something else.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 24, 2011, 06:53:41 pm
What's wrong with it? Do you have any other alternatives that are better (and free) if you find Cafepress so bad?
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: ingalls on April 24, 2011, 08:58:49 pm
Not to break the conversation about cafepress, but I would certainly be willing to donate over paypal if the option was avaliable. Anything to keep omnimaga going!
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Ashbad on April 24, 2011, 10:51:12 pm
I'd pay money to omni to keep it going.  I don't have much on hand though so if 25-50 dollars helps, then awesome :) I can't really go above 50, tho :P
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Juju on April 25, 2011, 02:44:44 am
What's wrong with it? Do you have any other alternatives that are better (and free) if you find Cafepress so bad?
Well, I meant if you don't like Cafepress (because of aforementioned constraints), there is a lot of other alternatives. I didn't meant Cafepress is bad, but you may want to compare all the alternatives before signing up on one of them.

Personally, I have a Spreadshirt store for some reason, I don't use it though. I think they have less constraints. There's Zazzle too that you may want to consider.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 25, 2011, 02:46:59 am
Oh ok I thought you thought it was very bad. Personally I haven't checked all options, though. I'll have to sign up at various places before finally choosing. I might also be looking for a place where I can sell some of my songs for cheap.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Juju on April 25, 2011, 02:53:55 am
Your songs on physical CD format would be nice :P

On download format you may want to apply as content provider on iTunes.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 25, 2011, 02:58:00 am
Yeah that would be nice. By the way I had album pics before, but I would most likely redo new ones for the most part, because I'm unsure if I want to sell Ultra Beat or 1000 BPM to beat them all, for example <_<.

(http://www.mtv-music-generator.com/style_images/1/cd_covers.png)

(Note, CD 2 was later renamed from Dark Side Of The Moon to Journey Through the Moon Dark Side (same for the song), after some Pink Floyd fanboys got butthurt on the old Omnimaga board)

I also had two others, although I never posted them I think.

EDIT Here they are.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: AngelFish on April 25, 2011, 03:02:02 am
I'm slightly disappointed that I didn't lose The Game while looking at any of those albums :P
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 25, 2011, 03:04:13 am
I don't think I even knew about the game when I made them. :P

That reminds me, I could maybe re-use Hardcore Armageddon if I was gonna make an album with happy hardcore.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Stefan Bauwens on April 25, 2011, 05:12:24 pm
If you put those songs on iTunes(if you can) I think you can only sell them for 1 dollar or so for one song, so I don't think that alone is gonna save omnimaga. But it could be that you can buy a whole album for more, but actually I don't know it because I never bought a song on iTunes yet.
Buying a CD could be more expensive I guess.

As for the paypal thing, I think that the members under 18 years could maybe ask their parents aor older brother/sister, or friend to do it for them. Then they could pay it in cash back.

I don't know if you can get a lot of profit out of t-shirts and such, but maybe you can...
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Ashbad on April 25, 2011, 05:22:07 pm
whoa, those are really awesome covers O.O I personally would buy the songs just for the cover, then realize the songs are awesome as well :D

I always admired your music.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Juju on April 25, 2011, 05:36:20 pm
I don't think you have to have at least 18 years old to have a paypal. If you have your own bank account and/or credit card, well you're OK. If not, ask your parents.

And yeah, these covers are awesome, I just want to print them and put them in these plastic CD cases.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Xeda112358 on April 25, 2011, 11:54:14 pm
Nice covers! And even if you can sell them for *only* one dollar, there are probably a few million iTunes users, so if .01% of users happened across DJ_O's music and decided to buy a song, that would bring in a few hundred dollars.

EDIT: There were about 500 000 000 users last year, so that would mean that if .0001% of those users bought DJ's music, that would bring in $500

EDIT2: Some more stats... Last year, 5 000 000 000 tracks were downloaded and there were 8 000 000 tracks. This means that each track was downloaded an average of 625 times. Obviously there are track that will get thousands of downloads, but still, that is a lot of downloads.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: jnesselr on April 26, 2011, 07:42:13 am
Wow, I think we should do that.  Some interesting statistics xeda.  And then it's not like "oh, this is my 20th t-shirt, but I must support omnimaga!"
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Stefan Bauwens on April 26, 2011, 09:00:36 am
And I guess you huys can produce music till the end of yoir life. :P
Yes, this might work.(Although I must be honest and say that this isn't at all my kind of music)
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: renatose on April 26, 2011, 12:17:59 pm
I think that paypal donations are just enough. if each user gives 10$~20$ the money needed can be gathered in a blink.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 26, 2011, 07:31:03 pm
And I guess you huys can produce music till the end of yoir life. :P
Yes, this might work.(Although I must be honest and say that this isn't at all my kind of music)
Note that in the last year, some of my songs were totally different in style, though. An example is
. But if you don't like power metal or video game style music, then you might not like that stuff either. Also I wouldn't even have enough songs of that style to sell them in album format anyway.
Wow, I think we should do that.  Some interesting statistics xeda.  And then it's not like "oh, this is my 20th t-shirt, but I must support omnimaga!"
The latter is why I would like if I could offerent different t-shirt designs.


What I think is that we could have t-shirts, I could sell my music and we could have paypal donations. The latter might be for those who absolutely don't want to buy something, those who can't get something shipped from the Internet due to parents, but still want to help.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: ralphdspam on April 26, 2011, 09:06:06 pm
I would buy a T-shirt or an album.  If we sold Omni calculator cases, I would definitely buy one. :)
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Stefan Bauwens on April 27, 2011, 03:03:04 am
And I guess you huys can produce music till the end of yoir life. :P
Yes, this might work.(Although I must be honest and say that this isn't at all my kind of music)
Note that in the last year, some of my songs were totally different in style, though. An example is
. But if you don't like power metal or video game style music, then you might not like that stuff either. Also I wouldn't even have enough songs of that style to sell them in album format anyway.
Wow, I think we should do that.  Some interesting statistics xeda.  And then it's not like "oh, this is my 20th t-shirt, but I must support omnimaga!"
The latter is why I would like if I could offerent different t-shirt designs.


What I think is that we could have t-shirts, I could sell my music and we could have paypal donations. The latter might be for those who absolutely don't want to buy something, those who can't get something shipped from the Internet due to parents, but still want to help.
I would at least have to buy one song :P
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: annoyingcalc on April 28, 2011, 09:49:55 pm
I would help if I could but I don't have much money (well I'm 10 what do you expect I know that is kinda young to program and be interested with it but I am) and I would help If I had that much money
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 28, 2011, 10:10:21 pm
Well, the average starting age is usually 14-16, but we had a few 11-12 years old users for a while, although they did not code as much in overall. Personally if I got a calc when I was kid, I think I would have started trying to program it around 10-11, because I always wanted to make games since I was kid. I even drew SMB3 level tilemaps on paper when I was 8-9. Sadly I had no computer nor any game creation material back then.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 11, 2011, 06:37:59 pm
UPDATE:

The hosting payments issue is being solved, same for contest prizes. We faced an extra problem, however, with OmnomIRC, because Netham45 might not be able to afford paying for his VPS for the next few months, meaning there will be extra contributions from other staff needed in short terms. Things should remain fine again afterward, though. (Although we're still thinking of a long-term solution to help a bit, for next years)
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: Netham45 on May 11, 2011, 06:47:27 pm
You could always try advertising on the site. Google adsense is relatively painless to set up.
Title: Re: Site funding and maintenance
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on May 11, 2011, 06:49:25 pm
Except that when ticalc.org added ads, they got like the equivalent of a couple of beers as revenues from ads in like 3 years. :P

This isn't to mention when Google Adsense is down, it kills the entire site.