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Omnimaga => Site Feedback and Questions => Topic started by: annoyingcalc on January 15, 2012, 07:44:19 pm
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why?
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Juju or someone is testing something
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yea i was just wondering that...
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Click it.
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Click it.
This
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I dont understand?
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I dont understand?
OK i will do a quick rundown. January 24th our goverment votes on a bill that will break what we know as the internet. It basically makes them overly Inforce copyright acts. We are opposed to this and this is our advertising to it.
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i wonder who proposed this bill...
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YIKES that is bad
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@jwalker This guy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamar_S._Smith (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamar_S._Smith)
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WELL THEN.../me opposes
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hmm... another conservative who is in fact, not an actual conservative
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It's called the SOPA bill: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act
It's a law to stop online piracy, but it has many flaws that could cause the law to be abused and lead to sites like Omnimaga, Facebook or Youtube to be blocked in United States and possibly other countries.
Some sites on Jan 18th are perfoming a blackout to protest against that bill, so those sites will be temporarily closed between 8 AM and 8 PM that day. I don't think Omni is doing that, so this most likely explains why there's only a small banner.
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they would do that too, abuse it
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Something I worry about is if they could go as far as getting ticalc.org blocked in USA just because it contains files like Zelda/Final Fantasy/Mario for calcs?
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a video says you would still be able to bypass it by typing in an ip address
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Yeah I'm kinda against closing the site down for a day, that's like ragequitting the Internet, so I guess that censor bar banner will do.
And yes, that banner is my fault. Hope you like :) That SOPA thing will hurt our site, as we have lots of user-generated content and FOSS software hosted here.
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im starting to think that i shoud go into politics for one reason and one reason only... protect rights
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BUT it covers the beautiful 'omnimaga' ! lol it's cool
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Just for shitz in giggles. Based on this bill. Just the song remix section in OUR download library is enough to get omnimaga blocked. not to mention all of the ports of games we have which is "infringing on intellectual rights".
just figured i would pass that out
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i wonder how much ti hates ndless....
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Good points. What if we started an e-mail based community?
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Yeah I'm kinda against closing the site down for a day, that's like ragequitting the Internet, so I guess that censor bar banner will do.
And yes, that banner is my fault. Hope you like :) That SOPA thing will hurt our site, as we have lots of user-generated content and FOSS software hosted here.
Well the site closing is more to picture how the Internet would look like if the SOPA bill would be enforced abusively, but people who don't get it (especially those living outside USA) might think we closed forever and we would lose members.Just for shitz in giggles. Based on this bill. Just the song remix section in OUR download library is enough to get omnimaga blocked. not to mention all of the ports of games we have which is "infringing on intellectual rights".
just figured i would pass that out
Note that that song section is invisible to guests, though, so government or original owners of those songs would have to sign up to our site to notice them, unless they actually monitored our site content through admin access of any kind.
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O.o
hope everything gets back to normal eventually.
stupid government...
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Maybe you guys could send a mass email, that way the users who are not always here would know, too.
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I really like the idea of an email-based community.
Or we could even program our own internet protocol...
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Wait why do you only have the choice between a banner or shut down website for a day? I don't think I get what's going on :P
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Good points. What if we started an e-mail based community?
We could start a mailing list. Several communities started as mailing lists. Or else there's Usenet.
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@Spyro543: I have been thinking of making a new internet protocol, too. The internet is miserably slow where I live, but I was working on a method so that everybody in the local area could have free 24/7 access to the news in that system and whatnot. It would be open to a limited userbase and spread out in communities around the world. If one went down with an infection, the rest would still be up and working, too, and there would be no way to censor or throw a kill switch.
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"Fellow Omni-ans!
This is our chance to prove our power! It's time to prepare ourselves for cyber battle! Now! Everyone! Pull together your coding skills and let us build a defensive firewall against THE WORLD!"
this is what went through my head when I read these last posts lol :)
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lol
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I should start work on the protocol immediately. Any ideas, anyone?
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@saintrunner: I'm game.
EDIT: The
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I've always wondered what would happen if the government tried to cyber attack a website run and used by computer and calc programmers O.O I can't wait!
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how does it work now, i havnt got a clue about networking.... if i learned i would help...
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I wonder if we could attack back with the combined might of our calculators? >:D
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Well, I guess there's already all the tools we need already. BBSes via telnet, USENET, IRC, gopher, aternate DNS root, we could make our own alternate Internet. I'm pretty sure legislators won't look further than http.
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I wonder if we could attack back with the combined might of our calculators? >:D
even without calcs (lol) we do have a bunch of computer coders!!
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What is this "USENET" ? It sounds familiar... My parents were thinking of getting this at some point, I believe, because there was no other way to get internet faster than half the speed of dial-up...
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Usenet was a discussion forum protocol supported by many e-mail clients used a lot before HTTP became insanely popular.
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Well, I guess there's already all the tools we need already. BBSes via telnet, USENET, IRC, gopher, aternate DNS root, we could make our own alternate Internet. I'm pretty sure legislators won't look further than http.
hmmm, an alternate internet would be cool!
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that would be cool...make it more secure and everything
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and faster?
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Yea SOPA is horrible. I can't even imagine what will happen if the bill passes as is. And the morons voting on it really haven't a clue about technology (most of them anyways). x.x
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lol yea
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Yea SOPA is horrible. I can't even imagine what will happen if the bill passes as is. And the morons voting on it really haven't a clue about technology (most of them anyways). x.x
Indeed, the person who made it up in the first place is 64. :|
To me, it seems the punch line of the whole thing is that it won't stop the piracy. People will almost find a way around whatever barriers are placed in the way, the only people it'll block are normal people.
I'm half-wondering, if this does get passed, it would trigger some new breakthrough like boot 1.03 caused around here XD
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Most people (without proper knowledge) would vote on randomness
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It reminds me of what happened in France a while ago. They tried to pass a bill that looked like SOPA but with huge fines everytime you download something illegal, free software would severly be harmed, of course, the entire Internet opposed and the legislators looked like complete morons (is OpenOffice a firewall?). When you call OpenOffice a firewall, I guess you're really a moron. Thankfully, the bills didn't passed.
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wow, they are morons
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I hate to rain on your parade, but having attempting to do something like this in the past, I can give a bit of advice. My school had a blocking system, so I thought, why not create a system to bypass it and would take a considerable amount of power to figure out what was going on. Just before I deployed it, a couple of things happened. One, some illegal downloading was seen and the IT people were put on high (read: "the world is coming to an end!") alert. Two the said person (not me in case you were wondering) was located pretty quick. Three no one except of a couple of administrators know who this person is and not much else was let out. So I decided not to deploy this system because of things that I did not think of.
So, to apply it to this new protocol thing I can give a few tips:
1. If you invent something to keep the government out, you are inviting pirates and similar folk in.
2. From point 1, the FBI, NSA and other alphabet agencies are going to invest more to crack it. If you do manage to keep them out, then they may appear at your doorstep (if they haven't done so already)
3. You could still be shut from the internet with a couple of letters to your ISP (unless you are doing this over a really big WiFi network or equivalent)
4. The content that would appear there would be limited.
Well, hope this gives the community a bit of insight from someone who had the same idea.
Oh, also please don't take this like I oppose this idea. I think it is a great idea to make everything more secure. I'm just pointing out some things to look out for.
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So do we actually have the ability and tools to successfully battle this if need be?
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@systwo: Good point and great insight. I am sure we could find something, though, but I am also in an excitable mood XD
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hmm a tough question...
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I think we could do it! I mean, we have some VERY smart and talented people here! We have the potential to become more then just calc and computer game makers!
(jsyk I am in no way trying to start an uprising against the world or government, but I am Anarchist (don't ask why) and I don't like the government and people trying to mess with our rights, so please don't take offense to me, and if you do just go ahead and ignore me lol)
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So, to apply it to this new protocol thing I can give a few tips:
1. If you invent something to keep the government out, you are inviting pirates and similar folk in.
2. From point 1, the FBI, NSA and other alphabet agencies are going to invest more to crack it. If you do manage to keep them out, then they may appear at your doorstep (if they haven't done so already)
3. You could still be shut from the internet with a couple of letters to your ISP (unless you are doing this over a really big WiFi network or equivalent)
4. The content that would appear there would be limited.
It's already been invented and it's called the http secure protocol. The entire point of encryption is to prevent third parties from being able to read your data and https is a well known, well supported, and well tested way of doing that. Those third parties can still most likely see where the traffic is coming and going from, but they can't tell what the actual data being transmitted is.
Also, the FBI/NSA could really care less about most individuals. Any reasonably knowledgeable person can already prevent them from reading their data.
Thirdly, your ISP can shut you down no matter what. There are very few large router stations in the US (or even abroad). Two or three requests at most could ban a location from connecting to the internet.
As for the fourth thing, every site that has the proper certification can use the https protocol. Not many sites invest in it, but enough do.
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So do we actually have the ability and tools to successfully battle this if need be?
Well... Kindof.
For the first phase (from project start until it is slashdotted) you probably will be successful. I know there are a lot of great minds here in this community and I do not doubt that a client using this secure protocol with none of the HTTP overhead can be created. To ISPs and governments at this point, it would look like another game or sharing software has appeared. To the RIAA, MPAA, etc., it would be a waste of their time. For us, it would mean slightly faster internet (it wouldn't be a huge boost to speed, as the security protocols would take more time to process, possibly balancing the low overhead).
The second phase (slashdot to the end of the internet) is a bit more in the grey area. As soon as this project is shown to all the geeks and nerds out there, they will start using it. People with illegal content will see this as another way to store their data and release it without being caught (this will set the red flag for the FBI). But the nerds and geeks may be people like Bruce Schneier or the folks at EFF, who will support this if they see it as successful. If this is the case then we may have a good working protocol that will prevent snooping from people who use their powers maliciously.
Oh and also, FBI honeypots may appear as well. So, you will need to take that into account when making this protocol.
Tl;dr
If you make this system, then you will need to take into account everything I said in the last post and make sure it is secure enough that 'honeypots' cannot exist. And you will need to get the attention of privacy and security advocates to support this.
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he is right
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So, to apply it to this new protocol thing I can give a few tips:
1. If you invent something to keep the government out, you are inviting pirates and similar folk in.
2. From point 1, the FBI, NSA and other alphabet agencies are going to invest more to crack it. If you do manage to keep them out, then they may appear at your doorstep (if they haven't done so already)
3. You could still be shut from the internet with a couple of letters to your ISP (unless you are doing this over a really big WiFi network or equivalent)
4. The content that would appear there would be limited.
It's already been invented and it's called the http secure protocol. The entire point of encryption is to prevent third parties from being able to read your data and https is a well known, well supported, and well tested way of doing that. Those third parties can still most likely see where the traffic is coming and going from, but they can't tell what the actual data being transmitted is.
Also, the FBI/NSA could really care less about most individuals. Any reasonably knowledgeable person can already prevent them from reading their data.
Thirdly, your ISP can shut you down no matter what. There are very few large router stations in the US (or even abroad). Two or three requests at most could ban a location from connecting to the internet.
As for the fourth thing, every site that has the proper certification can use the https protocol. Not many sites invest in it, but enough do.
I do agree with this what you say, but I'm just giving some advice. HTTPS is a recommended way to do things, and it has a large community supporting it, but if our community wishes to create another protocol, I'm all for it.
On your first point, we could make it better by not showing where the traffic is going and where it is from. See "The Onion Router" (TOR) for a similar system. It works but it is very slow. Improvements can always be made
On your point about individuals, yes the FBI will not go looking for one person, but what if this person was the creator and distributor of the software to make things secure?
On the third point: Uh, that is what I said...
Addressing your fourth point, HTTPS is a very expensive (CPU-wise) way of encrypting. That is one of the major reasons that not many people use it. Also it is expensive in the financial sense as you do need to buy a certificate. I don't think that all the webmasters can pay for it every year. Yes, you can make your own but users get a suspicious "This certificate is not valid and can be a malicious phishing site" warning, which will deter many users.
Again, I'm not trying to oppose you or the community, just trying to give a few points (also I like to debate too)
By the time I make this post I think there will be 10 posts between when I started typing :D
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@jwalker
Who is right?
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Um, what's an FBI honeypot?
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Um, what's an FBI honeypot?
Well, think of those 14 years old girls who are in fact FBI agents trying to catch pedophiles. That's a honeypot. It attracts bees so you can catch them easier.
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Um, what's an FBI honeypot?
Take a look at this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeypot_%28computing%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeypot_%28computing%29)
Basically it is a trap that a third party will set. They will make a node/user/whatever look like a valid user, but they will use it to gain insight and catch people. They can also attempt to take down the network "from the inside"
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OMG 1 second ninja'd!
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Hm, when I start coding the protocol, then I'll have to add bunches of security.
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This reminds me of the story about the guy who created Facebook! O.O
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If you want to add security, be sure to add ALL OF IT. I guess you have to be an expert on security.
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I believe we have a few folks here who are familiar with security ;)
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@systwo i ment you on the fact that they may target software creators and distributers
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At what point do we run into legal issues....cause all this is now connected to omni simply because we are having this conversation O.O
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i cant think of any real issues...
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well it's the minor issues that the gov. gets you on!
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lol yea
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I don't think that legally, they can do anything about what you say here. There's the Freedom of Speech thing, right? :D
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(not to be rude or offensive against the gov) but the government does a lot of things they shouldn't
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In any event, I think all will go well and if it does not, we will make it go well :) And we *can* live without internet :P
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yes it is, as long as your in america....you 'should' be fine
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All of us are posting so quickly that they are getting confusing...quotes would help i guess :P
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yea i know...
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I do agree with this what you say, but I'm just giving some advice. HTTPS is a recommended way to do things, and it has a large community supporting it, but if our community wishes to create another protocol, I'm all for it.
On your first point, we could make it better by not showing where the traffic is going and where it is from. See "The Onion Router" (TOR) for a similar system. It works but it is very slow. Improvements can always be made
On your point about individuals, yes the FBI will not go looking for one person, but what if this person was the creator and distributor of the software to make things secure?
On the third point: Uh, that is what I said...
Addressing your fourth point, HTTPS is a very expensive (CPU-wise) way of encrypting. That is one of the major reasons that not many people use it. Also it is expensive in the financial sense as you do need to buy a certificate. I don't think that all the webmasters can pay for it every year. Yes, you can make your own but users get a suspicious "This certificate is not valid and can be a malicious phishing site" warning, which will deter many users.
Again, I'm not trying to oppose you or the community, just trying to give a few points (also I like to debate too)
Heh, I like debates too. I just want to help you think through this idea as much as possible. It is an "absolutely f***ing massive" undertaking that you're proposing, to put it mildly. The protocols that form the internet are designed to scale to monumental systems and solve some of the most difficult problems in networking. However, even ignoring all of those, you still have a problem of getting the security right, which is far from easy. History is littered with the corpses of cryptosystems that the inventors though were secure and actually weren't. Even Bruce Schneier gets it wrong sometimes and quite frankly, most people aren't going to trust a system made by a community relatively inexperienced in the field without a very strong proof of security. Security is *very* easy to mess up.
As for the claim that HTTPS is expensive CPU-wise, well, that's perfectly accurate. Here's the problem: Any encryption system worth its salt is. The fact that HTTP itself is expensive doesn't help much though.
On your point about individuals, yes the FBI will not go looking for one person, but what if this person was the creator and distributor of the software to make things secure?
You mean like the creators of the hundreds of other cryptosystems the NSA can't crack who are out there? There are a lot of ways to hide your data from just about anyone on the planet that you care to.
TL;DR There are an absolutely massive number of problems with this to be sorted out before anyone does any coding. The current system is probably best described as "ugly" or "painful," but it works. That's an amazing accomplishment in and of itself. I'd be happy to contribute help to this, but the problem really needs to be a lot more specific. All of this is of course to say nothing about user adoption, which is its own thorny problem.
PS: I've spent some time thinking/learning about secure networking lately for a project, if that isn't clear :P
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This talk of creating a censor-proof 'shadow internet' sounds a lot like I2P (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I2P).
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To be honest, I wish I was better at all this computer stuff. I only ever code/design for games, but it would be VERY handy knowing how to bypass servers and stuff :P
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true, true, i need to learn some networking stuff....
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Hm. I think China would hate us here.
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lol, very true
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true, true, i need to learn some networking stuff....
I know a little from java studies...but I would love to know more
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i dont know much, but i just started learning :)
i wonder what the best language would be to use
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i dont know much, but i just started learning :)
i wonder what the best language would be to use
I think Java would be good....but thats just in my own opinion
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C, obviously.
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i wonder what the best language would be to use
English.
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i wonder what the best language would be to use
English.
Spanish!
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yea, C
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i wonder what the best language would be to use
English.
Spanish!
No. Everyone knows French is the best.
But yeah, I think C is the best language, you can do highly optimized stuff in it and everything were written in C. But all the tools you would write would easily be written in every language ever.
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@Qwerty.55
Of course, I am not proposing that we go and invert the ciphers and systems needed, but rather to combine existing ones.
On the topic of secure networking, I too am also interested, perhaps we may discuss about this topic in the future?
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ive been getting bored... this would be fun
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C
Specifying a protocol by implementation in any computer language is generally a bad idea. There are reasons every major specification is in a human language, the primary ones being that it makes differing implementations of the spec possible.
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@Qwerty.55
Of course, I am not proposing that we go and invert the ciphers and systems needed, but rather to combine existing ones.
On the topic of secure networking, I too am also interested, perhaps we may discuss about this topic in the future?
Ah, that's much more reasonable. It's still massive project though. I'd be happy to discuss with you :)
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Specifying a protocol by implementation in any computer language is generally a bad idea. There are reasons every major specification is in a human language, the primary ones being that it makes differing implementations of the spec possible.
This is a good point. If anyone is interested, RFCs are out there and are an excellent template on how to make specifications.
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i kinda want to see this work now...
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You can get HTTPS for free from certain companies that support FOSS software.
But, you could also make your own SSL certificate server, and have many people linking to your server.
The same with DNS, its easy to set up your own and de-block blocked websites.
(Also, maybe this thread should be moved to private?)
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im starting to think that i shoud go into politics for one reason and one reason only... protect rights
Thats what every politician should be in office for! :D
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(Also, maybe this thread should be moved to private?)
I think so too. :)
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Seems like you guys are getting ready for the battle; but, lets hope that the war doesn't break out. If this SOPA thing goes through it would be a bunch of people that have no idea what it can do that would have voted for it.
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which means we have a 'fighting' chance!
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in portuguese:
sopa means soup and pipa means wine barrel :D
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a video says you would still be able to bypass it by typing in an ip address
The DNS block can be avoided using IP addresses, but SOPA does way more than just that. Companies that provide money or advertisements to sites, or in the case of search engines, link to them, can be forced to stop doing so.
in portuguese:
sopa means soup and pipa means wine barrel :D
In Swedish: Sopa means garbage (or sometimes a person who is very bad at something) and pipa means... Well, I'm not completely sure of what it's called in English. Google Translate says pipe, but I'm not sure if that's accurate.
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a video says you would still be able to bypass it by typing in an ip address
The DNS block can be avoided using IP addresses, but SOPA does way more than just that. Companies that provide money or advertisements to sites, or in the case of search engines, link to them, can be forced to stop doing so.
in portuguese:
sopa means soup and pipa means wine barrel :D
In Swedish: Sopa means garbage (or sometimes a person who is very bad at something) and pipa means... Well, I'm not completely sure of what it's called in English. Google Translate says pipe, but I'm not sure if that's accurate.
PIPA, in English, comes rather close to PITA. (pain in the --). Kind of fits? XD
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And the US house just killed the SOPA today. PIPA, Senate's version of SOPA which is basically the same, is still in consideration at the US senate.
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a video says you would still be able to bypass it by typing in an ip address
The DNS block can be avoided using IP addresses, but SOPA does way more than just that. Companies that provide money or advertisements to sites, or in the case of search engines, link to them, can be forced to stop doing so.
in portuguese:
sopa means soup and pipa means wine barrel :D
In Swedish: Sopa means garbage (or sometimes a person who is very bad at something) and pipa means... Well, I'm not completely sure of what it's called in English. Google Translate says pipe, but I'm not sure if that's accurate.
PIPA, in English, comes rather close to PITA. (pain in the --). Kind of fits? XD
in korean, there's no F, and they pronounce F as P. so, SOPA would be sofa and PIPA would be FIFA :P
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And the US house just killed the SOPA today. PIPA, Senate's version of SOPA which is basically the same, is still in consideration at the US senate.
Darn, we didn't even get to Blackout Day.
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While we believe that online piracy by foreign websites is a serious problem that requires a serious legislative response, we will not support legislation that reduces freedom of expression, increases cybersecurity risk, or undermines the dynamic, innovative global Internet.
It sounds hopeful that someone will do something to stop these bills and focus on the sites actually causing problems.
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While we believe that online piracy by foreign websites is a serious problem that requires a serious legislative response, we will not support legislation that reduces freedom of expression, increases cybersecurity risk, or undermines the dynamic, innovative global Internet.
It sounds hopeful that someone will do something to stop these bills and focus on the sites actually causing problems.
I honestly think these politicians should focus more on stuff that actually matters like nuke power and economics stuff, instead of messing around with internet.
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Darn! I was looking forward to us kicking some butt in cyber warfare :P lol
just kidding, cyber warfare can actually get messy...
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And the US house just killed the SOPA today. PIPA, Senate's version of SOPA which is basically the same, is still in consideration at the US senate.
That's good to hear. Maybe the Internet had enough influence, after all. I still think Blackout day should occur, though, to make sure they won't strike back with another similar bill...(Also, maybe this thread should be moved to private?)
I don't think it's necessary. After all this is a public internet matter anyway.
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Though I'd update you guys on SOPA.
House kills SOPA (http://www.examiner.com/computers-in-denver/house-kills-sopa)
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Yay! Let's hope it continues going towards a positive route.
Also nice to see you again NecroBumpist, I wondered where did you go D:
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That would indeed be a good news, but there's still PIPA...
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Yeah D:. I hope they do something about this one.
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So when will the 'stop censorship' thing be taken down? (just curiosity)
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Not sure yet. I guess you'll need to ask Juju.
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So far on what I've read, SOPA's been shelved indefinitely until there's consensus on the bill, not killed... Yet.
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So when will the 'stop censorship' thing be taken down? (just curiosity)
Dunno, not before the 18th though.
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I dont know if there is a website other then Facebook or Youtube I visit without this bar...
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I didn't see it at ticalc.org
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Ah SOPA huh. Was hearing it all over YouTube like a month ago. Nintendo used to be supporting it then dropped along with I believe EA Games.
I didn't notice that black bar until I saw this thread on the New Posts section...
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When I first saw the bar, I was like "What the heck! Who's messing with my laptop!!!" Then I clicked it and figure it out
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So, I hear Wikipedia is going to be taking part on the 18th. Are any other big sites doing the same?
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Hm, we might darken the site on the 18th, but not close it.
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Actually the issue with darkening the site though is if you accidentally mess up during backing up the previous CSS and images and when it's time to darken the site CSS you lose the original, then it's kinda bad. Plus there's the fact Omnimaga has 6 themes installed. For example, notice how the Stop Censorship banner only shows up on the default theme.
That's unless you use Javascript, but then you need to be careful so it won't freeze people browsers. CLosing it might not be a good idea since it could damage the userbase if some users take the shut down seriously.
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darken?
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Make the site design look darker
(Kinda like Detacheds Solutions' 2005 april fools joke)
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Oh.. so every thing will continue to function as usual though correct?
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Yep.
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So, I hear Wikipedia is going to be taking part on the 18th. Are any other big sites doing the same?
Doing what on the 18th?
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Check it right now
They have a notice:
Please note: In less than 24 hours, the English Wikipedia will be blacked out globally to protest SOPA and PIPA.
In other words, Wikipedia is protesting against US internet censorship that could also affect the rest of the world.
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wasn't reddit also going on black?
found it :P
reddit is going on black
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/16/idUS178605270520120116
even wikipedia is going on black :P
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hmm, so, today is the 18th, is anything out of the ordinary going to happen soon?
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It is now. Wikipedia is down (although by disabling Javscript you can visit it fine). Same for Omnimaga's downloads section. Cemetech and Invisionfree censored their banners.
EDIT: Weird the french version of Wikipedia is still up ???
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From what I've heard only the english language version is down.
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Oh when did the black bar disappear?
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The Internet SOPA protest was only for January 18th.
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THe bar is no more on the banner, try refresh the page with F5/Ctrl-R/Ctrl-F5...
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Yeah for some people it might just have remained in their cache. And yes the protest was only on Jan 18th. Some sites are still censoring stuff, though, such as one image hosting site that was popular on the old Omnimaga forums.
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Well I mean I know it disappeared it just disappeared suddenly without me noticing.
So I guess it was there for the few days up until the end of the 18th.
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Oh ok then it's your browser that updated its cache recently. It was definitively there after the 18th, though, although not for very long.
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Yeah I noticed that, probably, but also because I'm on Australian time. If it was still there on the 19th it would have most likely still have appeared on the 20th Australian time.
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It probably would have still been there in the morning on the 20th Australian time possibly.
I wonder what's happening with SOPA now. It definitely isn't finished, and Megaupload is just one of the causalities as a result
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It definitely isn't finished, and Megaupload is just one of the causalities as a result
Megaupload actually had nothing to do with SOPA. It was taken down using the methods that currently exist.
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True, and it shows even without SOPA they still can take stuff down as they wish. However if they can do this now, I can't imagine how bad this would be if a bill like the SOPA passed...
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It definitely isn't finished, and Megaupload is just one of the causalities as a result
Megaupload actually had nothing to do with SOPA. It was taken down using the methods that currently exist.
Yeah but as a result of all the tension of SOPA, there were some casualities, of course it wasn't taken down due to the SOPA law (since it hasn't actually been passed).
EDIT: You're kinda right JosJuice. Megaupload was just taken down for copyright infringement, though the pressure of SOPA at that time may have impacted somehow. It was just coincidental timing.