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Extra/Hidden Characters
« on: March 06, 2010, 10:45:01 pm »
So I was looking around and did a couple searches but couldn't find anything. But I was curious what the best way to obtain the hidden/extra/special characters is or are. I'm sure there are multiple ways. Also, is there anyway to do it so it remains a BASIC program so other calcs can run it without getting these characters too and such.
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Re: Extra/Hidden Characters
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2010, 10:52:15 pm »
So I was looking around and did a couple searches but couldn't find anything. But I was curious what the best way to obtain the hidden/extra/special characters is or are. I'm sure there are multiple ways. Also, is there anyway to do it so it remains a BASIC program so other calcs can run it without getting these characters too and such.
I think its best to look up a program on Ticalc (or even here, under the archives) and download that. There was this basic program that let you choose any of the hidden characters, but i forgot what the name was :(
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Re: Extra/Hidden Characters
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2010, 10:57:33 pm »
Ya, I remember a program like that from a few years ago. I hate when you can't remember things like that haha. What programs do people use? (Just anyone, just curious to see what's out there.)
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Re: Extra/Hidden Characters
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2010, 11:17:10 pm »
Use usbtools to integrate a keyboard, then you can type most special characters with it.  I put them in a program and made a nice menu thing to use.

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Re: Extra/Hidden Characters
« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2010, 11:23:38 pm »
What do you mean usbtools? Or are you talking about the program that integrates with your computer and you can like you your mouse and such with it?
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Re: Extra/Hidden Characters
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2010, 11:57:03 pm »
I use a shortened version of this:
http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/386/38657.html

To get the chars, I run this program, store it into Str0.  Then in the program I Rcl Str0 and delete the rest of the characters. :)

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Re: Extra/Hidden Characters
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2010, 12:16:07 am »
The issue with USB tools is if the person has a 83+, tho. They have no USB port.

However, The prog linked by Ztrumpet as well as some others (you have to make sure it also contains the chars from OS 1.15 or later), such as Weregoose's, are very useful to get hidden characters.

Sometimes, these chars lets you choose in a string. If you don't feel like going through that process all the time, what you can do is just get rid of the entire code except the chars, and keep them as some sort of database and copy them using Rcl when needed.

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Re: Extra/Hidden Characters
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2010, 12:32:44 am »
That's a good idea. Thanks guys :)
I didn't know Weregoose had one, where can you find his?
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Re: Extra/Hidden Characters
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2010, 12:37:59 am »
on United-TI, you need to check the project releases section. There should be a topic about where the downloads went (UTI used to have a portal with downloads). The instructions on how to access old downloads are there. Otherwise, maybe his program is in the topic list, or at http://tibasicdev.wikidot.com

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Re: Extra/Hidden Characters
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2010, 12:41:39 am »
Ah ok. Thanks, I'll check that out.

Edit: Unfortunetly, I don't think there is a way to get files from UTI off the "Project Releases" topic. :(
Also, is there any that has a black box to choose? I haven't seen one :/
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Re: Extra/Hidden Characters
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2010, 01:12:58 am »
ohshit I forgot about the file move. Let me try something x.x

And no I don't think black box is possible in BASIC, except through ASM programs, which won't let you store them in strings (and these progs are slow) :(

EDIT: Solution - in this topic

http://www.unitedti.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=8563

for example if you want to download w w w.unitedti.org/downloads/[5]rl1.zip, do w w w.unitedti.org/forum/downloads/[5]rl1.zip instead.

Someone should post this in their topic maybe, because the site moved URL and they did not tell users about the downloads
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Re: Extra/Hidden Characters
« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2010, 01:19:23 am »
I use this program for all my special characters

http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/391/39138.html

It has all the possible tokens that you could need, and they work on other calculators without needing to transfer the program :) though you may have problems with older OS's X.x

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Re: Extra/Hidden Characters
« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2010, 01:46:29 am »
Oh ok, well that is pretty lame haha. So the black boxed equal sign is as close as you can get then?
As for downloading I get it. I think I did it wrong then because those are the directions. I shall try, thanks DJ :)
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Re: Extra/Hidden Characters
« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2010, 02:19:20 am »
Keep in mind that if you use the graph screen with Text(-1,Y,X,String),there's the trick called dual-layer ASCII, where you display two ascii chars on top of each others to create an awesome combination. Serenity, Elmgon, Metroid Pi and Zoith use this method, altough the two firsts applies it slightly differently (the second character layer is shifted one pixel right). That way it's possible to have a filled black box. It takes twice more space and is a bit slower to display, though.

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Re: Extra/Hidden Characters
« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2010, 02:21:11 am »
Ya, aren't those called vertical text sprites? (I saw the one routine post about them.)
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