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Calculator Community => Other Calc-Related Projects and Ideas => TI-Nspire => Topic started by: excale on April 01, 2013, 04:41:06 am
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This morning (for us in Europe), an anonymous person posted what he pretends to be a nLaunch for CX: http://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=11483 and http://www.cemetech.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8992
Hi,
I'd first like to thanks the nLaunch team for their awesome tool!
After weeks and weeks of hard work, I am proud to present you nLaunch CX :D
Please spread the word so people do not upgrade their calculator to the next OS version without using TNOC!!
nLaunch CX features the same functionalities as nLaunch, on Clickpad, Touchpad and CX Nspire:
* launching Linux (modified nspire-linux-loader2)
* optionally installing Ndless 3.1 on OS 3.1 (modified Ndless loader)
* installing and launching any OS
Hope it will work fine for all of you!
nLaunch Guy
Given today's date, skepticism is warranted. But my own testing shows that he's not merely pretending that what he uploaded is nLaunch for CX (!!) - it actually works. Like nLaunch, it's based on arbitrary code execution in the boot2... and, BTW, the contents of the .tco and .tcc shows that it's the same kind of vulnerability, in the same group of functions as on the Clickpad / Touchpad.
I tested a single thing (before having breakfast...), but my CX CAS Nspire is now single-booting Linux, without going through TI's OS. :)
nlcx is making the same recommandation as we've been making for years: use TNOC before upgrading one's own Nspires' OS !
We'll keep you informed about testing and new development about nLaunch CX, and we warmly thank "nLaunch CX guy".
It's another wonderful day for the Nspire community :)
We thought it was impossible, but somebody did it...
Original post by Lionel Debroux here: http://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11486&lang=en
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You got to be kidding me is what I first thought, but it's true? o_o This is a nice discovery :D
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April fools?
I think critor would have posted
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If I've not posted yet, it's because I'm testing. ;)
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It worked for me (y)
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Yeah, critor was sleeping and is now testing.
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So we will soon be able to have the dual boot Linux/TIOS on CXes, like on Classic models ?
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There is no way to have a dual boot Linux/TIOS on Classic models right now. That would require some changes in nLaunch, and nobody made them (yet?).
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nLaunch CX is real.
Here is my first news about launching a CX CAS OS on a non-CAS TI-Nspire CX:
http://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11490
Some photos if you still don't believe me:
Boot2 code injection:
(http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image.php?mode=medium&album_id=13&image_id=2323)
CX CAS OS on non-CAS CX:
(http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image.php?mode=medium&album_id=13&image_id=2321)
(http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image.php?mode=medium&album_id=13&image_id=2322)
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prepare for cheating :3 <_<
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If I do this, will I have to delete everything off my calculator?
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Some photos if you still don't believe me:
it is not easy to believe this kind of things today... :P
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If I do this, will I have to delete everything off my calculator?
No - just the OS.
Some photos if you still don't believe me:
it is not easy to believe this kind of things today... :P
Just try it? ;)
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Instructions please?
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Read the readme :).
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At first I was like, "Nice April Fools!" and then I was like "No! No! I don't believe it!" when I saw the pics, and then I was like, "... Where'd critor get the Navigator attachment?"
Nice job!
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The Navigator module in unrelated.
It's just that I usually keep it plugged.
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Fun fact: When OSLauncher was posted on April 1st 2011, it was an April Fools prank using a fake calculator picture. However, OSLauncher actually existed for real: It was just released weeks later :P
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However, OSLauncher actually existed for real: It was just released weeks later :p
Nope ;)
I started developing OSLauncher, as an independent reimplementation of the unreleased RunOS, after the April Fools prank :)
EDIT: I took your post's meaning to be "Cependant, OSLauncher existait vraiment [déjà, au moment du poisson d'avril]: il a simplement été publié quelques semaines plus tard". Juju indicates me that you probably didn't mean that OSLauncher existed (was already in development) before the April fools joke, i.e. probably something along the lines of "Cependant, OSLauncher a fini par exister réellement: il a simplement été publié quelques mois plus tard". Apologies for my possible misunderstanding, and the original form of the reply.
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Are you saying this just to deny what I say even though it's real or are you playing along with a prank? Because based on past experiences in the last two years (especially recently after I set you on my ignore list for PMs for trying to control how Omnimaga is run), everytime I say something you seem to find entertainment in trying to deny everything I said and then you put an annoying ";)" and/or ":)" in the sentences like if you meant to be naughty or laughing at the other person. I wish this forum had an ignore function that worked forum-wide, not just PM...
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I don't think Lionel is lying. I often argue with him, mostly about the behaviour coders should get in front of TI blocking Ndless, but I never saw him lie.
And he always put smileys like ";)" or ":)", as I always put smileys like ":P", I don't think it was meant to be naughty.
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You state, as a "fun fact", that OSLauncher did exist before the April Fools prank in 2011, but the thing is, it didn't, as the April Fools prank is precisely what got me started.
So I'm trying to explain that what you state as fact is not, and I am trying to be nice - hence the usage of smilies: most people interpret lack of smilies as not being nice.
Maybe you didn't read any of the occurrences of me mentioning that OSLauncher is a byproduct of the April Fools prank, or maybe you just forgot: all of us are just human beings, with our faulty memories, limited free time, and mistakes.
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I wasn't refering to OSLauncher/nLaunch only, but also every single occurence where we interacted with each others in the past 2 years. In fact, it even happened before.
Example: In 2010, after numerous incidents between me and TI-BANK, I decided to use English as a mean of communication for most conversations with people from France, including yourself, in order to reduce risks of misunderstandings resulting from the heavier difference between Quebec and France slang compared to English as a second language. I later stated it publicly, then you outright embarrassed me by denying that any of our convos occured in English, even though all private ones we had at that point occured in English (in fact, afterward, we discussed in French only on May 4th and 30th 2011). Forums don't count, because we have to use them in the language they're meant to be.
This is an old story, but you do this everytime and if it isn't for the sole purpose of embarrassing people, then I don't know what it is. For today's instance I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, though, in case it's part of an 4-1 prank, but if I am really wrong, then on April 2nd I would prefer to confirm it with a different TI-Planet admin who was involved with the previous prank. For now the issue is closed: I'm just taking any denying from you with a grain of salt from now on.
EDIT: Just noticed your previous edit: Actually I wasn't sure if OSLauncher was already being developed at the time the joke was posted, but I did remember that when it was finally flagged as a prank, the news said that it was actually gonna be real soon, implying that it was either being developed or was gonna be developed soon.
Back on topic:CX CAS OS on non-CAS CX:
(http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image.php?mode=medium&album_id=13&image_id=2321)
(http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image.php?mode=medium&album_id=13&image_id=2322)
What's with the green bars above the screen? ???
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it's a post-it I think.
To hide something?
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It's a trap!
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On my TI-Nspire CX there's nothing below the TI-Nspire CX logo, so there's nothing to hide.
That is unless, of course, if the so-called TI-Nspire Premium is real and that the green thing hides "PREMIUM" :trollface:
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Or he's got an early CAS version w/ CAS under the letters... Would explain why he doesn't show the keypad.
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It's just a sticker I use to identify my own CX calculators when I use them in class, as they aren't labeled "school property".
The TI-Nspire CX Premium doesn't look like that at all.
By the way, here is a CX running a CM OS:
(http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image.php?mode=medium&album_id=13&image_id=2324)
News -> http://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11495
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The TI-Nspire CX Premium doesn't look like that at all.
Shhhhhhhhhhh ! Now everyone will know you have one !
At least I haven't posted any photos about my prototype...
/me runs
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Hmm, if you check TI-Planet:
-83+ in 84+ case worldwide says it's an April fools joke (poisson d'avril in French)
-Same for the French TI-84 Plus C Silver Edition
-HOWEVER, nLaunch CX is still not flagged as a prank. Does it mean it's actually real? O.O
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WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW IT WORKSS!!!
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-HOWEVER, nLaunch CX is still not flagged as a prank. Does it mean it's actually real? O.O
We said it wasn't :P (the other things, we didn't say wether they were or not :D)
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The TI-Nspire CX Premium doesn't look like that at all.
Shhhhhhhhhhh ! Now everyone will know you have one !
At least I haven't posted any photos about my prototype...
/me runs
Wait, you mean you both have the prototypes of that leaked CX Premium? that was the one from the slideshow email, wasn't it?
Is it nice?
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Nah, we don't have anything, that was a prank , sorry :P ^^
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Nah, we don't have anything, that was a prank , sorry :P ^^
aaargh, damned :)
anyway, well done...or is it true and you're just trying to make us think it's a prank, hmm, hard to tell right now
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It's just a sticker I use to identify my own CX calculators when I use them in class, as they aren't labeled "school property".
I like the plural :P
-HOWEVER, nLaunch CX is still not flagged as a prank. Does it mean it's actually real? O.O
Haven't had the time to test this myself, but it does seem legit. Especially that last pic with the CM OS, since that model is completely white (if I'm not mistaken).
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It's real guys. Believe it. That's my Ti-Nspire CX with the CAS OS.
http://s7.directupload.net/images/130402/7ls25l7g.jpg (http://s7.directupload.net/images/130402/7ls25l7g.jpg)
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I'm definitely going to install this soon. Does it always display text while booting?
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it displays ABC1234 in the corner after ±60% loading
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Does it always display text while booting?
The default builds display some text, but the author(s) of nLaunch and nLaunch CX have made it easy to tweak that behaviour and recompile.
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Well then I guess I'll have to recompile then... still worth it.
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Hmm should there be a news about this btw? :P
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is this actually illegal? it seems to me you pay for the os you get with you calc, so with this you don't pay the full price. so you don't pay CAS an you do use it...
And in my country you are not allowed to use the nSpire CX CAS on exams.but on the they only talk about hardware not software..
next question: is my handheld still a non-CAS?
locking at my case it's definitely an non-CAS however the about section is saying "handheld type: TI-Nspire(TM) CX CAS" so.... what is it?
I think I better have it not installed with my exams.
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is this actually illegal?
Let's look at a physical knife. It can be used to cut food, which is fully legal. It can also be used to hurt or kill other living beings, which is usually illegal (with good reason).
Let's look at nLaunch (CX). It can be used to run Linux, which is fully legal. It also makes it possible to do other things, which may or may not be legal, or at least, morally right.
See the analogy ? The tool is legal in itself. What's not necessarily legal is the usage of the tool that some people do :)
Besides, even though manufacturers routinely try to curb it, the right for users to do whatever they please with the equipment they bought ("freedom to tinker") is usually well recognized, like the right to perform reverse-engineering for interoperability purposes...
it seems to me you pay for the os you get with you calc, so with this you don't pay the full price. so you don't pay CAS an you do use it...
I see where you're coming from, but I don't think it matters: anybody can download TI's Nspire OS for no fee from TI's site and use it.
And in my country you are not allowed to use the nSpire CX CAS on exams.but on the they only talk about hardware not software..
Software such as nLaunch raises interesting questions, indeed. My own take on the matter is the folllowing:
locking at my case it's definitely an non-CAS however the about section is saying "handheld type: TI-Nspire(TM) CX CAS" so.... what is it?
The usage of the Clickpad / Touchpad / CX CAS software effectively makes your calculator a CAS calculator, even if the case keeps not indicating "CAS". But it works both ways: using nLaunch (CX) on a CAS calculator to launch a non-CAS OS effectively makes that calculator non-CAS :)
To me, there's no (valid) reason why Nspire CAS calculators equipped with the non-CAS OS should be forbidden: what matters, for the purpose of taking an exam with or without a CAS, is the software abilities the physical calculator has at the time the test is taken, clearly. If the non-CAS calculator is running a CAS OS, the CAS capability can be used for cheating. If it's a CAS calculator running the non-CAS OS, the nonexistent CAS cannot be used for cheating.
I think I better have it not installed with my exams.
Indeed, because cheating on exams (which you would be doing if you plan on using a CAS in an exam where it's forbidden) is severely punished ;)
Punishment for cheating on high-stakes exams is usually years without having the right to take any exam, so you won't be able to go to the university, for instance.
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Ooh ooh another good example is CFW or flashcarts. They're not illegal in their own right, and homebrew is 100% legal, however using them for piracy is illegal. It's the act that is wrong, not the tool.
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Exactly :)
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so what i understand is that placing an CAS os on an non-CAS calc is illegal however using nLaunch is legal. i better place my old os back in place..
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so what i understand is that placing an CAS os on an non-CAS calc is illegal however using nLaunch is legal. i better place my old os back in place..
It's "illegal" (if you want to use that word) for the purposes of taking an exam where it's forbidden to use a CAS. For other purposes, why would it be forbidden ?
Of course, getting used to a CAS but not being able to use it on the final exam is probably not a good thing to do, so that's probably a better reason to put back a non-CAS OS (which you can do even if you keep nLaunch CX, BTW) :)
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how do i get back to the non-CAS OS? restoring the os with computer software?
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For instance, yeah. See another section from nLaunch CX's README.
nLaunch can just a non-CAS OS on a non-CAS calculator equally fine, but it's simpler to just transfer a standard OS (and later, transfer Ndless 3.1 if you wish).
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so what i understand is that placing an CAS os on an non-CAS calc is illegal however using nLaunch is legal. i better place my old os back in place..
When you purchase a calculator, you buy it as is (although you can return/exchange it if it doesn't work or if you bought the wrong calc by mistake). OSes for all TI calcs are available for free on TI website. You have the right to install/uninstall whatever you want on your calculator, except adult material, and if you got something for free (such as a CAS OS on TI website), you can do whatever you want with it as long as you don't offer it for download elsewhere, re-use the code or sell it.
It isn't moral because it involves using a more expensive software for cheaper and TI loses some money on it, but it is legal because the CAS and non-CAS OSes are freely available on TI's official website. TI may hate this, but it's their fault because it was their job to make sure that such thing isn't possible.
Just please, please: Don't do this in any school class or exam that disallows the usage of a CAS. The last thing we want in the TI community is seeing the TI-Nspire banned entirely from schools due to suspected cheating attempts. The same goes for using mViewer to display pictures of school notes that are not allowed in exams. Do whatever you want development-wise/messing around outside classes, but when you enter a math/science test, keep your calc as legit as possible, even if you have no intention to cheat, just in case.
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Oke thanks.
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On another note, I didn't have much time to read everything, but I think I recall OSLauncher not being able to do things such as installing OS 1.1 on a calc that is running OS 3.1 or something. Is this now possible on Clickpad/Touchpad models? Because some Ndless games only runs with Ndless 1.0.
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Just please, please: Don't do this in any school class or exam that disallows the usage of a CAS. The last thing we want in the TI community is seeing the TI-Nspire banned entirely from schools due to suspected cheating attempts. The same goes for using mViewer to display pictures of school notes that are not allowed in exams. Do whatever you want development-wise/messing around outside classes, but when you enter a math/science test, be as legit as possible.
I never ever was going to do a stupid thing like that. and since i don't even know what CAS offers me more. some things i probably don't even need.
When i go to my exam and i discover that the CAS OS is still on there i will probably leave it in my bag and borrow some calculator and get half an hour late for my exam.
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Yeah I am just saying in case, because I know that certain teachers might monitor people's calc content. It's always good to prevent anything wrong. It's a good idea as you say to just borrow another calc for the exam, but sometimes some classes always have a bunch of calcs that students can borrow so you might arrive in time.
Back in the days, I remember that teachers would just clear your entire memory so you could still use your calc, but with the TI-Nspire it takes a long while to reset everything (the teacher needs to know the maintenance menu key combo too).
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On another note, I didn't have much time to read everything, but I think I recall OSLauncher not being able to do things such as installing OS 1.1 on a calc that is running OS 3.1 or something. Is this now possible on Clickpad/Touchpad models? Because some Ndless games only runs with Ndless 1.0.
That should be possible, indeed.
nLaunch (CX) installs the resource files and rest of directory layout expected by the OS, unlike the simpler OSLauncher, which merely hot-launched the image without bothering about the resource files (and it happened to work, more or less reliably, for some combinations of versions).
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That is good to hear. I wanted to replay some old games recently and nLaunch now being CX compatible is a nice occasion to do it when I get some time. :)
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That is good to hear. I wanted to replay some old games recently and nLaunch now being CX compatible is a nice occasion to do it when I get some time. :)
The Clickpad/Touchpad OSes (here 1.1) cannot run on CX, and CX OSes cannot run on Clickpad/Touchpad.
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can someone make a bootchooser for this? so you can choose the os you want to boot?
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That is good to hear. I wanted to replay some old games recently and nLaunch now being CX compatible is a nice occasion to do it when I get some time. :)
The Clickpad/Touchpad OSes (here 1.1) cannot run on CX, and CX OSes cannot run on Clickpad/Touchpad.
Oh right I forgot about that. Now if only there was an Ndless that could emulate Ndless 1.0 programs...
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It would probably be easier to recompile or ask someone to recompile the old Ndless programs. That's of course if you have access to the source.
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For other purposes, why would it be forbidden ?
but it is legal because the CAS and non-CAS OSes are freely available on TI's official website.
Is it legal? I looked through the license packet that came with the Nspire, and I could not see anything allowing it or disallowing it. So even if it has no restrictions directly provided to you, it may be out there for you to download, but that doesn’t make it legal.
Soda fountains may be open access, but it is still illegal to fill a free water cup with sprite.
Though I’ve only researched the legality of calculators a few times, and other electronic information several times, so I am not an expert.
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Hello!! i have a nsprie CX and ive been reading a lot recently but i have a few questions that i hope somebody could answer.
1st) to get the CX CAS SO on my CX do i need to install the nLaunch CX on my calc??
2) ive read the .txt document (README) and says to rename the TNOC'ed OS to phoenix.tns.. does that mean to change the name of the file that i put through TNOC???
3) if something goes wrong could i still get into the maintenance window and delete everything?
Thanks to everyone and if someone could guide me through this process i would really appreciate it
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1st) to get the CX CAS SO on my CX do i need to install the nLaunch CX on my calc??
Right, "nLaunch CX" is the generic name for the nLaunch version which works on both the CX and the CX CAS.
2) ive read the .txt document (README) and says to rename the TNOC'ed OS to phoenix.tns.. does that mean to change the name of the file that i put through TNOC???
Yup.
3) if something goes wrong could i still get into the maintenance window and delete everything?
Yup, but Nspire calculators seldom go really wrong, unless you do silly things such as overclocking the AHB frequency, which triggers severe data corruption.
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thank u Lionel Debroux
Ive downloaded everything that i have from here (this is the README that im following)
http://tiplanet.org/forum/archives_voir.php?id=12105
the file that i put through TNOC is the CX SO or the CX CAS SO??
when it says "transfer phoenix.tns to your calculator in the folder /nlaunch/" i just create the folder on my calc?? or do i need to run another app to create it?
if i follow up this README it will get me the CX CAS so on my CX?? or after this do i need to do anything else??
Thanks again
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the file that i put through TNOC is the CX SO or the CX CAS SO??
Since you seem to be aiming at running the CAS OS on the CAS-capable calculator sold as non-CAS, the CAS OS, of course ;)
when it says "transfer phoenix.tns to your calculator in the folder /nlaunch/" i just create the folder on my calc??
Yes.
or do i need to run another app to create it?
No.
if i follow up this README it will get me the CX CAS so on my CX??
Certainly.
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after I got this to work, the nlaunch folder is now empty. is this normal?
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Yes, it's normal.
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Hello Again... as im trying to get all the files to my calc ive had some problems.
for instance when i want to send the phoenix.tns file to my calc and error shows up and says that i have the wrong handheld for the SO that i want to transfer ( i have a nspire CX and i want to transfer the CX CAS SO)
the same when i want to transfer the nlaunch file...
after reading a bit i thought that i dont have the ndless thing installed on my calc and idk if thats why i cant transfer all this..
so do i need ndless to get the cx cas to work on my calc??
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so do i need ndless to get the cx cas to work on my calc??
Nope, that's the main upside of nLaunch / nLaunch CX / nLaunchy: being independent of the OS version and of the availability of an arbitrary code execution vulnerability in the OS.
You're certainly using TI's official linking software, which attempts to prevent users from doing valid things. The third-party TILP software doesn't contain such spokes in the wheels, but since you have already installed TI's software, on Windows, you need to work around Windows' limitations on drivers through a (well-described) manual step.
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Hello Again... as im trying to get all the files to my calc ive had some problems.
for instance when i want to send the phoenix.tns file to my calc and error shows up and says that i have the wrong handheld for the SO that i want to transfer ( i have a nspire CX and i want to transfer the CX CAS SO)
the same when i want to transfer the nlaunch file...
after reading a bit i thought that i dont have the ndless thing installed on my calc and idk if thats why i cant transfer all this..
so do i need ndless to get the cx cas to work on my calc??
Did you remove the old .tcc extension in phoenix.tns ?
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Thanks Lionel and everybody who helped me out... finally i could get it done and my calc is running a CX CAS so on a non CAS... is there any way to "update" this cx cas so??
Thanks Again
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The nLaunch / nLaunch CX / nLaunchy README describes the procedure for upgrading the OS without reinstalling nLaunch, and there's a tutorial on TI-Planet for switching before multiple OS versions :)
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Does anybody now how to get the phoenix.tns file on the calc itself when using the student software? I keep getting a "Wrong Handheld type for the OS being sent" error.
Thanks
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Read my post two posts above yours. <_<
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Your file ends in tcc or tco. Tell your file manager to show file extensions, then remove the .tcc or .tco. Then you can send the file into the nlaunch directory.
Also, make sure that you have boot 2 3.1.0.16 before doing anything. Go to the home screen and go to Settings->Status->About. Scroll until you see the boot2 version.
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Um sorry i am such a noob can anyone help me though with all of it i think i got a couple steps down but
i have a ti-nspire cx and want a ti-nspire cas on it so i got the n-launcher and read the readme but as i mentioned i am an uber noob can you guys help me with instructions dumbed down to the very basic. I am not sure like where root is etc. I am on the inspire cx 3.1.0.392.
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What exactly have you done, and what do you not understand?
You might want to use nLaunchy (https://github.com/Excale/nLaunchy), a fork of nLaunch.
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Nothing could you please help me from scratch please. When I said couple steps down I just meant I downgraded to 3.1
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Try nLaunchy (https://github.com/Excale/nLaunchy/), and follow the directions under "CX installation" All the files are located in the CX directory.
BTW, instead of double-posting, you can use the Modify button located on each of your posts :)
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So from step 0 I am totally lost on how to even do that :( and rest is step 1-2 saying just make sure your calculator is on 3.1.0.392?
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Step 0: Backup the documents from your nspire
Step 1: Make sure you have 3.1.0.16 boot2, but you have OS 3.1.0.392, so you already have it
Step 2: Get a compatible OS. This means download the OS file onto your computer
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So how do I do step 0 like could you please explain the method how? And step 2 can I just omit since I am on 3.1.0.392. And i have the 3.1.0.392 on my computer. So if you could please explain how to approach step 0 and then tell me what to do next that would be great. BTW thanks soooooo much you don't know how much you became like a savior after you responded :)
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Just use the TiLP or the Student Software, and send all the files to your computer.
EDIT: I have to go now, sorry
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Oh no we were doing so well and I am using computer link software and I just dragged the two doc. That I had to my computer if that was how you did step 0 and before you go can you let anyone else on the forum I am in need of dire help?
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correction: You were not doing so well. Please use correct grammar, punctuation, and spelling. Also, please do not 'Double Post', which means posting twice in a row. Instead, use the modify button to the top-right of your post. Thank you.
Now that we have that out of the way. That is how you do step 0.
Before we go any further, I am going to ask why you want to do this.
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Sorry for my grammar
um so how do i say something if i can't post twice in a row do i wait until he posts something?( i am new and sorry if that sounded like sarcasm)
thanks for confirming i did step 0 correctly.
I would like to do this because my teacher said that he recommends that each student get a ti-nspire cas but i got the cx a while ago and don't want to sell it and buy another one i just want to use this for this class and maybe in the future(definitely not on tests where the cas is prohibited only where it is allowed) Could you help me on continuing how to do this please?
Edit: I have 3.1.0.392 on my calculator and i have used TNOC to remove the boot2 and renamed it phoenix.tns that is all. Could you help me continue from there by addressing if i am currently using the right program from my computer (ti computer link program) and if not where i should download the new one.
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You can use the modify button, like I did when I forgot to add that you could use the modify button on my last post.
I was just making sure you are in accordance with the forum rules before I helped you cheat or something like that. I don't know why it's so dire that you need a CAS immediatly though. It sounds to me a bit like you have a test tomorrow.
For now, download a CAS nspire OS from here http://ti-pla.net/a3718 (http://ti-pla.net/a3718)
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i would like one on my cx too please that was the main reason i came here. If that was the next step that you were telling me i apologize but if not please tell me how to continue on my cx.
Edit: I promise not to cheat please help me understand how to proceed with this process.
Edit:(No Sarcasm) sorry i should have read the rules more carefully i will not double post sorry about that.
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Hello there. As others have mentioned, please do not double post. This is making two posts in a row with less than a day between them and no other responses. You can use the "modify" button in the top right of your post box if you have something to add. I have combined a post or two of yours and gotten rid of an unnecessary one. People don't always respond immediately either, so keep that in mind.
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Have you used TNOC on the CAS OS? You are being quite ambiguous.
After that send it to the calc in the folder nlaunch.
I am no longer with you, so try to follow the readme as well as you can.
Edit: I'd love to help you, but it's late where I come from and I have to be going to bed.
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So when you told me to download the OS, was that the next step or an emulator for my PC? If it were an emulator for my PC please tell me the next step so i can continue with this process.
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That was the next step
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I see thank you so much. Could you tell me the next step please?
Edit: If the next step requires another program than the one i have (Ti-Nspire Computer Link) could you link me the right one so i can continue with this process please? Thank you so much btw
Edit: fourtytwo:I have used it on the 3.1.0. one not the cas one. Sorry for being so vague I am not sure how to send those files into nlaunch :(
Edit: lkj can you tell me the next step please. So far i downloaded the cas os and am stuck on what to do i am not sure what fourtytwo meant by you put it into nlauncher.
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I am in need of dire help?
You won't die if you don't get help tonight. Besides, most Nspire users live in Europe so they are asleep right now. :P
Not to mention getting help to install a CAS OS on a non-CAS model is hard anywhere, since 99.9% of the people who promised not to cheat actually cheated for real. :P
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Use tnoc on the cas os.
Create a folder called nlaunch and send the cas os after using tnoc to it.
I have to go now, too, though.
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I am sorry for exaggerating the urgency of my status.
sorry i live in cali so I didn't know most people here were from Europe
And as i mentioned i have no use for cheating with my nspire i just need it for the class and maybe college classes (if the professor allows it) other than that i don't use my nspire for anything else. I mean that's the best i can do to ensure you that i won't cheat i am not sure how to put it any other way.
Anyway sorry for rushing....
Edit: where do i put the nlauncher and how( i think my roots but i am not sure where that is)? Also when you said TNOC my cas.tns do i just delete boot 2 or is there something more? Also if i deleted boot 2 on my cx 3.1.0.392 file(not the one i am currently running) do i have to redownload that with the boot 2? do i use my ti nspire computer link program and where is the roots i am suppose to have a root but i can't find it? Please go really basic on me! and thanks!
Edit: So i am going to go to sleep but if anyone else wants to help me, here's the basic rundown. I am horrible with directions and i know the directions are posted (https://github.com/Excale/nLaunchy/) there but I am still totally lost. So far from what i have done is this
{Anyone please tell me what is wrong with what i have done and what i need to fix or etc}
0). i put the two documents that i had(my back up) into my comp
Before that i downgraded from my ti-nspire Cx 3.2 to 3.1.0.392 and i downloaded TI-NspireCXCAS-3.1.0.392( it's just in my computer nothing installed or anything like that). From there someone told me to TNOC it but when they said that i am not sure if they mean just deleting boot 2 or something else. While pondering among that issue i also found that i didn't do the step number one on the website( and i really don't know what to do so).
So if anyone can help me pull out of this mess that would be so awesome!
BTW my objective is to run ti-nspire cas on my ti-nspire cx because my teacher recommended it.
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You only need to remove the Boot2. Of course, removing the example files won't cause any problems, so you can remove those too if you want to save space.
For step 1, you probably already have boot2 3.1.0.16, you can make sure by going to Settings->Status->About (from the home screen)
Next, rename TI-NspireCXCAS-3.1.0.392.tcc to phoenix.tns You may need to show file extensions if you use Windows, because you must remove the tcc extension.
Then create a directory in My Documents called nlaunch and transfer phoenix.tns there, along with nlaunch.tns (https://github.com/Excale/nLaunchy/raw/master/CX/nlaunch.tns)
When following the directions, make sure you're in the CX section, the first set of steps is for Classic Nspires.
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So when you say remove boot 2 and examples are you talking about the CAS file?
I am not sure where my file extension option is ( I think properties)? Sorry I live in California and I am at school so I can't check I just want to get it all down before proceeding so if we can continue with the procedure that would be great too(just FYI if I respond late) . so basically if you can clarify where my file extension is and how to remove it that would be awesome :D.
Also I am using the ti-nspire computer link program( I think it is the wrong one), could you tell me if that is the right program or link me another program I could use? I think it is the wrong program because whenever I try to put anything in my documents with the computer link system it tries to upgrade my os and I am not sure if that is pushing the 3.4. Is where it will lock me from downgrading or if it is just trying to place the files into my documents.
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Yes, the OS file, you don't need to remove examples, but you can if you want.
I don't use Windows, so I don't know how, but try this (http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/show-hide-file-name-extensions), then rename the OS file to phoenix.tns.
You can use TiLP (http://lpg.ticalc.org/prj_tilp/news.html) for linking, it won't try to automatically upgrade your calc. (Use the Windows installer for tilp)
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I will try both( as in tnoc the file and change the extension) but for the TiLP where is the download link for the program or something I just see a description.
Edit: Could you send me the link that downloads the TiLP so I can download it with just clicking the link?
Edit: if that wasn't a program and I have to use windows installer for it how do I approach that sorry I am such a noob. So basically how do I use windows installer for tilp? I am not sure how and what you mean by that.
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You can download the latest Windows installer for TILP from http://ourl.ca/4010/347662 .
But you should keep using TI's software, most people find it more newbie-friendly than TILP is... Until further notice, TI's software does not upgrade your calculator's OS unless you allow it to.
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What is the ti software called?
Because I am using the ti computer link software. When I go in it asks me if I want to upgrade my calculator and I press no then when I drop my phoenix into nlaunch the folder I made under my documents it said upgrading is and has the same procedure as you would when you upgrade your is. So I am just scared it might upgrade my os.
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TiLP isn't really necessary, you can just use TI Nspire Computer Link. Just make sure you never click OK when it asks you if you want to upgrade.
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But when I move phoenix it upgrades or it looks exactly like it is that normal? Like as soon as I place it in the nlaunch folder I made it does the upgrade looking thing
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Normally, if you leave upgrade/check for updates options unchecked, you should be fine. Follow lkj advice as well. Else there is the TI-Nspire Student Software, but that's not free.
There have been numerous tests done in the past and TI's softwares don't attempt to force an update, although everytime you start them up, the update boxes will be checked again, so you have to uncheck them everytime.
In the worst case scenario, however, Jim Bauwens and Alberthrocks knew a way to check if TI forces updates via some script, along with a way to block them by adding their URL to your hosts file:
http://ourl.ca/15812
http://ourl.ca/13912
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Then it looks like you haven't followed the procedure correctly: you need to rename the file, on the computer side. Check the README.
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Wait so this is what I did so far
Steps:
0) backed up my files
1) I have the 3.1.0.file so far on my CX
2) I tnoced the cas file and renamed to phoenix.tns
3) I made a new file called nlaunch and when I drop my.tns it upgrades my is or says that on top and LOOKS identical to how you upgrade your osI did rename the file but it doesn't work. And how do you unchecked the box I followed the directions by renaming it but that's what it does
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can you use this (http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/show-hide-file-name-extensions) to show file extensions?
Then rename the os to phoenix.tns
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I thought it was phoenix.tns
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yes, i mean phoenix.tns
Then send this (https://github.com/Excale/nLaunchy/commits/master/CX/nlaunch.tns) file to the same directory
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That's what I did and when I stop it it updates os I looked a directions multiple times to check if I did it right.
Could it be that when it says update os it is trying to put phoenix onto my calculator
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No, do this (http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/show-hide-file-name-extensions) and tell me what the filename shows as.
Clear the checkbox, I mean.
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OK so I did what the link said and it was a .tcc but I removed the boot2 and changed it to phoenix.tns and it is a tns file but it did tell me I can change the content if I rename and I pressed yes. If there was something wrong in what I did please tell me what and how to fix and if I did it now please tell me what is next.
I am not going to put anything on my calc yet until I understand fully and make my own modified instructions so if you guys can tell me the next
step :) no rush if you guys are sleeping thanks for even helping me :D
Edit: also i am not sure where to put phoenix in. The only place i can make a folder is IN the documents folder and maybe the other folders inside the documents folder, but i can't make the nlaunch folder on the same level of documents so i am not sure what the read me is saying to put it in the root directory. Is the root directory just inside the document folder? Just a btw: i am using the ti-nspire computer link software
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so i am not sure what the read me is saying to put it in the root directory. Is the root directory just inside the document folder? Just a btw: i am using the ti-nspire computer link software
For an end-user, like you, the root directory is below/inside "My Documents".
If one day you want to investigate Ndless developpement, the "root" directory will be "/" and "My Documents" will be /documents/.
Thus, you need to make a directory name "nlaunch" (IIRC) inside "My Document", same level as "MyLib".
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I don't have a my documents folder but I have a documents folder should I place it inside the documents folder
Also what is(IIRC)
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I don't have a my documents folder but I have a documents folder should I place it inside the documents folder
"My Documents" is the name by default of the "public root directory". So, depending on you language, yes, it's the most top accessible folder.
Also what is(IIRC)
IIRC (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=iirc)
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And after I make the nlaunch folder in the same level as mylib what should come up when I try to transfer the phoenix file in? An updating is process? Or what? (Sorry if that sounded mean I mean to say it with a humble and sincere tone)
Edit:also can you check 3 or 4 comments up(the making phoenix file) if the process was right?
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Put the phoenix.tns file into the nlaunch folder. Nothing should come up after you send that file.
What you did so far is fine if you ran TNOC on the tcc file to remove the Boot2, renamed it to phoenix.tns, and the nlaunch folder is directly in My Documents.
Then download nlaunch.tns (https://github.com/Excale/nLaunchy/raw/master/CX/nlaunch.tns) and place it into the same nlaunch folder on your calc.
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What about the. Next step?
BTW if I tnoc phoenix once more is that OK I just want to make sure I tnoced it so if I tnoc it twice is that OK?
BTW how do I send it do I just drag and drop? Also how do I know my calculator received it?
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BTW if I tnoc phoenix once more is that OK I just want to make sure I tnoced it so if I tnoc it twice is that OK?
Of course, given what TNOC does.
BTW how do I send it do I just drag and drop?
For instance.
Also how do I know my calculator received it?
By a) watching a dialog, or lack thereof, on the calculator side and b) watching the documents list.
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So I will tnoc Once more when I go home...I am not sure what you mean by for instance and could you answer the last question a little les complexly; sorry I don't understand what you are trying to say.
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could you answer the last question a little les complexly; sorry I don't understand what you are trying to say.
He meant that, to know if the calc received the file, you can:
-check if the calc has a popup saying "File received" or something (and if it doesn't say that, go to step two)
-check in your documents if the file you sent is present in the folder you sent it to
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OK what is the next step with all the reboots and stuff I got confused can you give me specific and easy directions also throughout this process do you always keep your calculator plugged in?
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Assuming you have nlaunch.tns and the TNOC'd phoenix.tns in your nlaunch folder, the next step is to go to the maintenance menu.
To do this, turn your calc off and hold down Doc, Enter, and EE simultaneously. While holding these down, use a pencil to press the reset button on the back.
Press 2 to delete the operating system so that you can send nlaunch.tcc or nlaunch.tco.
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Wait. Is this ALL done while your calculator is plugged In? Also do you mean nlaunch. Tcc AND nlaunch.tco or do you mean nlaunch. Tcc OR nlaunch.tco
Also is this right delete os (still in maintainence menu) drag the two files ( the. Tcc and. Tco) in? So i mean to say how can you transfer those two files after you deleted the os.?
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If your calc (not the OS) is a CX CAS, then transfer the .tcc, and if it's a CX (no CAS), transfer the .tco. This should be done after deleting the OS and rebooting, while plugged in. An error will be shown on the computer, but the calculator should reboot and show the letters "PP" in the upper-left corner. You can do all of this while plugged in, but the readme says that it may be more reliable to unplug the cable when the progress bar is at about 60%.
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So delete it was for PP then drag and drop. Tco (I am CX) into the nlaunch?
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Dude it is at operating system not found and it won't recognize on my computer help!!!!
Sorry for double posting but I need help fast ahhhhh!!!
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Sorry, I don't understand what you're trying to say. Looking at your screenshot, where is your nlaunch folder?
Rename phoenix.tns.tco to phoenix.tns and send that file, along with nlaunch.tns (https://github.com/Excale/nLaunchy/raw/master/CX/nlaunch.tns) (download it) into the nlaunch folder on your calc. Before you go into the maintenance menu, your nlaunch folder should look like this:
(http://img.ourl.ca/nlaunchy.bmp)
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No i got that fixed but where do I put my launcher.tco
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Close and open the Nspire link software on your computer (in case there are any problems) When you get to the message that says that no OS is found, make sure the calc is plugged in to your computer and follow these (https://epsstore.ti.com/OA_HTML/csksxvm.jsp?nSetNumber=21390) instructions to send nlaunch.tco as an OS. The computer software will show an error, don't panic! The calc should reboot, and you should see the letters "PP" and some numbers in the top-right corner. When the progress bar is about 60%, you should plug your calc out to increase the reliability of the installation.
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It doesn't say no is found it brings my folders everything back but on calculator it says install os
After deleting is do I unplug as well as close link software or just close link software because it says no os on my calc but it hasall the files on my software
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What does it say exactly?
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Exactly says: Operating system not found. Install os now.
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Ok, follow the instructions I gave in my previous post and you should be fine. :)
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Can you explain it I am so shaky I can't even read correctly
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Follow these (https://epsstore.ti.com/OA_HTML/csksxvm.jsp?nSetNumber=21390) instructions to send nlaunch.tco as an OS. The computer software will show an error, which is expected.
The calc should reboot, and you should see the letters "PP" and some numbers in the top-right corner. When the progress bar is about 60%, you should plug your calc out to increase the reliability of the installation, but this is not strictly necessary.
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I have to buy this with money
Help is there a free version???
OK did what you said but the screen is fading into white that's it. What do I do?
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Someone help me I can't get the pp sign help!!
I kept doing it and I am stuck just the computer phases the file back and forth and my calculator still says os not found. Install os now.
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After the white screen I just kept pressing reset and try to push the file again and again is that wrong or did I corrupt everything?
Here's my status
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Ok, first of all I already mentioned to you not to double post within such a short time period. I consolidated your three posts into one. The "modify" button is there for a reason. Secondly, I re-sized your ginormous picture so people can actually see it without having to scroll. Third, you seem to have no clue what you are doing. If you are honestly this uncomfortable with this procedure, perhaps you shouldn't be messing with it. It just seems like a recipe for disaster to me.
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Sorry on double posting I panicked...I just really want to meet the end of the process.
Edit: so can someone please tell me how to fix this? :'(
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If you sent nlaunch.tco, and got an error on the computer, you should be fine. The PP is very tiny and should appear in the upper left corner.
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It has no pp I looked and keep says system not found
Help :(
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Can you send a picture of the files on your calc?
(Close the Student software and open it again)
EDIT: If you're in school, try it when you get home and have access to the Student software.
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I am at school but in nlaunch I have phoenix and nlaunch both tns
Can you answer from just what I tell you(respectful tone)
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Reformating your computer or getting a new one with no pre-installed crap should fix the problem. In some cases, such software mysteriously starts working again, but when they don't, that's pretty much the only way I ever managed to fix any of my TI linking issues (I'm dead serious, although I only really had big problems with non-USB cables. USB ones would usually mysteriously start working again a few days later), because when it comes to TI softwares, once they stop communicating with your calc, it's pretty much game over. If that still fails, then the only other solution I can think about is getting a non-TI calc that acts like an USB Flash drive when connected (such as the Casio PRIZM or the upcoming HP Prime).
Note that it's entirely possible that your calculator, USB cable or USB port is defective too.
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Wait are you saying I hard bricked it?
I refuse to give up and I hope legimet will help me :D
I will just wait for legimet
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Nah, but for some reasons, certain computers will permanently stop detecting any calculator totally randomly, then no matter what you try, nothing will solve the problem. I had this happen in college when all 32 computers in the classroom wouldn't detect my calc. As soon as I got my own computer at home, I could link to my calc with no problem right from the start, same with my other computer afterward (except for a brief period of time where TI-Connect stopped working randomly). It's entirely possible that school/parental filters, firewalls, antiviruses or such things might be the issue, though.
Hopefully someone else can find another solution that isn't as rash, but since Texas Instruments decided to stay in 1992, it is much harder.
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OK I will wait for legimet and see what he suggests.
Is it also possible it does this because I didn't put the preloaded in? ( no one told me or it wasn't said in readme) i am so lost please help
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Try redownloading nlaunch.tco (https://github.com/Excale/nLaunchy/raw/master/CX/nlaunch.tco) (Click on the link and save it) and try sending it again.
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Legimet you are sooooooooooooo awesome dude I got it! Thanks so much. However one crucial thing I changed. You have to delete your samples i actually did this yesterday but couldn't get it to work when I did what I did yesterday and delete samples it worked. One crucial advice is delete samples. Thank you so much everyone else too for helping me you guys are so awesome :)
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I'm not sure you have to delete the samples, but I never tried it without deleting them.
Anyway, good thing you got it working. :)
You might want to install Ndless, which allows you to run many programs and games. To do this:
1. Go to the Ndless download page (http://www.unsads.com/projects/nsptools/downloader/download/release/1), and download the file with the highest number following the r, currently ndless-v3.1-beta-r882.zip and unzip it.
2. Create a folder inside My Documents (on your calc) called ndless .
3. Go to the calcbin directory on your computer, and send 2 files, ndless_resources.tns and ndless.cfg.tns to the ndless folder on your calc.
4. Press the reset button on the back of your calculator.
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I so done with tinkering with my calc for now so scared still....thanks though if I ever need it I will come here! Thanks once again for all your hard work to teach me :)
Edit: Oh btw just so i can know can you upload a picture of what the calc bin looks like?
Edit: also can I push CX cas updates now?
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Don't update it. You could do it by making a new phoenix.tns, but the latest OS versions lock down your calc and make it impossible to install Ndless.
The calcbin is inside the zip file. You only need to send ndless_resources.tns and ndless.cfg.tns to the ndless folder, then press the reset button.
Here's a picture of what your ndless folder (on calc) should look like:
(http://img.ourl.ca/ndless.bmp)
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Oh I see thanks
Edit: So what can you do with ndless (also how do you check if you have it downloaded on there){i mean i went into my documents and looks the same as yours but there is no popup message saying like Congratz you downloaded ndless or something}?
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Ndless lets you run native programs, largely extending the functionality of the calculator.
You can find stuff about Ndless development on this site, and there's a good archive of programs here (http://www.ticalc.org/pub/nspire/asm/).
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Is there a way to change the boot logo or boot animation?
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Is there a way to change the boot logo or boot animation?
yes, there are...
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Also how do you know if ndless is installed on your calc? i mean other then going into my doc and checking there
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You can send a program like gbc4nspire and try if it works. That'll also give you the status of awesome since you can play Gameboy games on your nspire. (you need a ROM of the games you want to play though)
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Anyone know what the problem is. Recently I have been getting charging problems in my nspire cx running the case cx. My charging problem is that I plug the charger in and it has that charging sign on the battery and when I leave it overnight to charge the charging sign is still there and didn't charge at all. I tried changing cords with my friend who has the cx but still same problem... Is there a fix? I have also tried hitting that reset button on the back but no dice....
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Anyone know what the problem is. Recently I have been getting charging problems in my nspire cx running the case cx. My charging problem is that I plug the charger in and it has that charging sign on the battery and when I leave it overnight to charge the charging sign is still there and didn't charge at all. I tried changing cords with my friend who has the cx but still same problem... Is there a fix? I have also tried hitting that reset button on the back but no dice....
This isn't related to nlaunch nor ndless and happends also on "vanila" nspires.
Indeed it seems the OS can't handle the charge of "used" batteries and have a hard time to reset the battery indicator.
A quick fix is to charge from the diagnostic menu in the battery test section, and unplug/replug de USB cable from there.
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I see. Could you provide me detailed instructions on how to get to the diagnostic menu in the battery test section?
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I see. Could you provide me detailed instructions on how to get to the diagnostic menu in the battery test section?
- Hold the reset button
- Hold ESC MENU [-] ( not the (-) )
- Manual test
- Battery test
- Battery Pack Charging
- Unplug USB cable if not already done
- plug the USB cable
- find a 3h movie and watch it
- completed charging
- Reset
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Use Ctrl+multiply and Ctrl+divide (those move up and down, I forget in which order).
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Um Guys i need help again.
Honestly, I was just doing my statistics homework and i created a unsaved docs because i needed to find the std. dev and etc.(If I don't it merges with all the other programs I have, so i always make a unsaved docs and dispose that) Today i just didn't dispose it and pressed reset because it would be easier so i pressed reset and let it be. I have done this multiple times over the months i got the CAS on my calculator and never had this problem so i pressed reset and when i tried to use my calculator for my calculus homework it was still on the booting screen. I thought strange ok let me just give this 10 more minutes nothing it is just stuck on the boot screen with the bar 50% filled with PP1234F on top and I tried pressing reset mutliple times and the same thing happens can anyone help me. I was currently before this problem Had Ti-Nspire CAS CX running on my Ti-Nspire CX. I haven't plugged this into my computer or anything didn't get any updates or anything did absolutely nothing with it except calc and stats. Can anyone please help me!
Edit: I looked online about holding esc to enter download mode but my computer won't even recognize that.
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PP1234F means Nlaunch failed to load the OS.
Reset and see if it happens again.
If yes, then the OS probably got damaged.
This can happen quite easily if you press 'reset' while the TI-Nspire is starting Nlaunch (boot screen with loading bar between 50 and 100%).
You need to reinstall Nlaunch:
- hold Doc+Enter+EE while resetting to get the maintenance menu
- choose "remove OS" (option #2)
- get back your Nlaunch pack and put back the missing files in the 'nlaunch' folder
- resend the nlaunch.tco/tcc installer
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OK, you guys must be some life savers or something because you brought my panic level down. It worked perfectly fine critor! Thanks so much!! I think i know where my problem was when after my stats homework and i pressed reset a bunch of squares filled the top and i got really scared so i pressed reset again and this caused it to corrupt the os. After i just did what critor said the same thing happened but i let it be and i booted fine :D so i guess it was worrying too much on my part. Nevertheless, thank you so much you guys!!!
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Hey Guys,
i hope u can help me. I have some experience with nLaunch. Now that the nLaunchy 2.4 version came out i just wanna try OS 3.6 with ndless. There is no problem if i use the normal cx version but when i want to use the cx cas version the os stucks on the loading clock (when u come to the language settings and so on). Is there something different in this version with cas versions that i have to do first or so ?
Thank u if u can help me with my problem :)
edit: btw, i use the TI-NspireCXCAS-3.6.0.546 as it is mentioned in the src/patch.c as compatible
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Unfortunately, you can't use the 3.6 CAS version if you have a non-CAS calculator.
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Thank you. That's sad but now i understand why there are nlaunch switcher out there :)