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Calculator Community => Other Calc-Related Projects and Ideas => TI-Nspire => Topic started by: Jonius7 on September 11, 2010, 12:21:21 am
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Well when i was playing around with the new graphing capabilities i just 'discovered', i decided to make something. and i succeeded. i made working health bars for TI-nspire games!!! hope to release my program soon but i really don't want other people to take my program, change it and say that they made it or invented. I REALLY don't want that to happen. So if this happens please help stop the guilty culprit and either remove the program or credit at least some to me. Hope to continue experimenting
hmm.. i can't see the post by michael_lee...
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Honestly, if you're that worried about someone taking it I would just keep it to yourself and just release your game. That way if someone makes one they have to do it themselves. I don't know if you are able to see Nspire source code though or something though.
But if something does happen of course we will try to help prevent it and catch it. Though, also, just because someone has a working one too doesn't necessarily mean they took it from you or something.
I am curious what it looks like though and such, good job on creating one.
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Oh, erm, I had written a post which asked what a health bar is, but when I looked over it, it felt slightly insulting, so I deleted it.
On that note, what exactly do you mean by a health bar? You mean like a health bar in a RPG with fighting characters and stuff, or something else?
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i mean a graphical health bar, yes like one in RPGS and strategy games. !!!
meishe 91 it is extremely easy to see source code. all you have to do is create a new page then menu -> 4 -> 9 -> 2 and open any program so that's why.
ill release screenshots instead though
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Ok, I didn't know since I don't own a Nspire. Is it at all possible to lock programs and such like on the 83+/84+ series?
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not sure but they still will be able to look at the source code and highlight and copy the whole thing. so ill try and see...
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Well locking them means that you can't open the source code. So if that's possible only people who know what they are doing would be able to do it. But another thing about it is that they actually have to be able to find it in all the code.
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problem is they can just highlight the whole code and copy it (copy and paste) not available on an 84 or other calcs. I know this lock feature, it's on my Casio 9850GB+ however for the nspire...
it's different on the nspire. you can put heaps of programs on one single 'document' and 'save' the program to memory and then delete the whole program from screen (it is still in memory though) however opening it is just as easy as creating it
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Well I'm pretty sure Omnicalc or something grants the feature of copy and pasting, though I don't remember correctly. It's been awhile. But even if someone copy and pastes the whole source that means we can easily identify that it's your game that is being replicated. What I meant though is for someone to just copy the source code for the health bar that would mean that someone would have to search through all the code of the entire program, pinpoint it, then copy and paste it. So if you have a lot of code in that program it will be hard to find, in theory. Remember, I don't have a Nspire so I don't know what is possibly on it and what is not, or how easy some things are. Sorry.
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no problem. however right now i ONLY have the code for the health bar. nothing else. ill try and put lots of other stuff in. but keep this in mind: the whole game has to split up into little programs so they can just take one program and copy it. oh well. thanks for All your help
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Well if it is possible to include it with other code so it is harder to find I would suggest doing that. That will keep it the safest. Good luck on more progress :)
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The people capable of appropriately using your code are always the people who could code it themselves. Protecting your software makes little sense, if you think about it.
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yes i know, but this - no one has done this before yet. hmm... i think ill release screenshots to show the health bar and wont release it until it's fully fledged into a game
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Whatever you decide, its your choice. If you really are worried about it, by all means its perfectly fine to wait for a release. As it is i cant wait for a screenie :)
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soon got to get my calculator linked...
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Sadly nothing can be done about program code theft. It rarely happens but the trick to prevent sad events is to release it on ticalc.org first. That way if someone steals the code and upload it there, you have an even better proof. But I wouldn't make so much a huge thing about code stealing here. It makes us look like we're all thieves or something and I do not like it much <.<
Plus, besides, on the 83+, it's even easier to edit code. You just press PRGM, select edit, then the program.
Also I recommend not abusing all-caps in topic titles.
That said, interesting stuff, though. Will you post the program soon?
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screenies pl0x? :o I wanna see this for myself
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How different is it coding for nspire versus coding in the TI-83/84?
Because if somebody made a health bar in TI-83/84, it seems to me like they could port it over to the nspire without too much difficulty, unless the two languages are really different...
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They are similar syntax wise, but the nspire lacks getkey and all graphical functions.
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How different is it coding for nspire versus coding in the TI-83/84?
Because if somebody made a health bar in TI-83/84, it seems to me like they could port it over to the nspire without too much difficulty, unless the two languages are really different...
What fb39 said below. I think it has to be done using some graphing functions. I am sure there's no Line()/Pxl-On() function on the like. Not even displaying text on the graph screen. The TI-Nspire BASIC programming capabilities, aside from memory and, in most cases, speed, are more limited than the TI-80 and TI-81.
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For math programs, Nspire BASIC is fine (with the exception of dialog boxes, which I predict will be added soon). As far as games go, as DJ said, there are no graphical functions. Some Nspire BASIC programs use the geometry stuff to add graphics, but they can only be changed by a actual function/program in a calculator page(play one of the Nspire BASIC games on ticalc.org to get a better idea of what I mean).
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So basically everything has to have some sort of mathematical equation?
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So basically everything has to have some sort of mathematical equation?
Everything has to be explicitly run by the user on the homescreen.
We need our own BASIC interpreter.
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now sorry about all that copy stealing stuff yesterday, i just wasn't myself at all. ill try and be more careful. anyway i have 4 screenshots of my program!
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That looks really cool. Would be cool to see a moving screenshot. Great work.
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ill try and add that in the next few screenshots. start putting other stuff too
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Nice! Is it possible to display those without the text, too?
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of course!!! i manually put them on just to show the numbers!
Moving screenshot coming up!!!
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Nice, looks cool.
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i don't have much time left leaving on wednesday morning (australia time). try to put more stuff soon
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Nice. I guess we can do some minimal graphical stuff after all ^^
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that should totally be put in ti rpg 2 (for nspire)
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That looks nice! Great job. :)
Well I'm pretty sure Omnicalc or something grants the feature of copy and pasting, though I don't remember correctly.
I don't know about Omnicalc, but I know you can do it in DoorsCS7. :) You can also do it with XLib/Celtic III/XCopy. :)
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also, you should totally lemme c that document cuz i wanna look at how it works. PM me if you dont wanna risk it out in teh public
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I think he is waiting for a ticalc.org release or something. However he'll be gone for 2 weeks after tomorrow D:
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That looks nice! Great job. :)
Well I'm pretty sure Omnicalc or something grants the feature of copy and pasting, though I don't remember correctly.
I don't know about Omnicalc, but I know you can do it in DoorsCS7. :) You can also do it with XLib/Celtic III/XCopy. :)
Ya, I wasn't really sure if it was Omnicalc that I was thinking about. I just knew something did :P
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Omnicalc used to do copy/pasting but it was removed in version 1.1, because it was too buggy (caused 32-ish KB Y= variables to appear in the mem menu)
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Ah ok.
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This topic has now been split by DJ Omni, rest of topic is here:
http://ourl.ca/7369
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Yeah, I kept the first few posts in this one, though, because it made no sense otherwise x.x
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so i can still put progress here?
actually i think it'll be ok as long as people know the topic is split...
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Yup, go ahead :D
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ok more news, ive just checked ticalc.org and it has been finally released!
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YAY!
I'm not sure if I'll have time to try it soon, but one suggestion I have for your ticalc.org files is that you should include a readme. If you uploaded this program in Omnimaga downloads section it would require a documentation available either in a readme.txt or the file description, so people know how to use it and stuff. It's also recommended in general by people to include a readme when we release new programs.
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True, so you mean that i should copy some of the instructions inside the program into a txt file separately from the tns file?
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Oh they are inside? I think they should be copied outside, though. Some people may want to see the instructions before downloading the file. I myself check readmes before installing a BASIC game. If the controls are stuff like "use arrows to navigate in menus" and no sign of map engine controls, I generally don't bother trying it.
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ok i get it
it does make it more professional and stuff
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Ok now on progress over the past day or so…
Unfortunately I have met a dead end with the health bars: I can’t make animating health bars. The pixels don’t refresh when I want to. My version 0.3 is turning out to be working even worse than before, I think ill make some small updates, then release it as my last version. This is the situation if I continue to build on with my current code. However, another TI-nspire BASIC programmer (not sure if he’s a member of Omnimaga) has emailed me recently saying that he created some health bars using a different way, I hope to confer with him over the next few days, and also ask if his method allows animating bars. Stay tuned!
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Sorry to hear. Did you also try with loops or something or do they just not animate at all? And I hope that person joins eventually :D
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yeah i tried For End For loops. i might have coded it a bit wrong trying again. even if it does get animating, it'll probably be really slow, (loading clock) and won't refresh properly
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I see x.x. I guess we have to blame TI for the slowness x.x
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Anyway, im moving on and putting this into my games now...
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Ah ok, well good luck. I would like to see a TI-Nspire RPG with a certain minimum of graphics like your bars. THe TI-RPG game seemed impressive for the TI-Nspire but aside from the title screen it had no graphics :(, not even ASCII sprites like Rogue/Illusiat
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Yes, im thinking of making a rpg with these health bars.
anyway i found new opportunities! and DISCOVERIES!
yesterday i took heed of apcalc's grey scale plotting. i found it line colour and it changed the colour of the pixel plots! this will be shown in my next release. how dumb am i! such a simple thing and i missed it! GREYSCALE is now possible!
also i may be able to animate bars using sliders! But i will have to change the variables first. i discovered that the graphical changing of the health bars was indirect (eg: a variable changing a variable) i will try and make a single variable connect directly to the pixel plots and animation might be possible
also i will ask the other person soon for his ideas....
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Wow I didn't knew TI allowed grayscale usage in their Nspire BASIC language. Nice!
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Well, i didn't realise either, until i rethought about apcalc's greyscale plots (im not sure where the post is)
wait found it! http://ourl.ca/7351.new#new
it works.
ill try and upload a screenshot of the new version.
also opportunites with sliders.
wait apcalc's screenshot isnt working anymore
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Wow nice! As for his screenshot it works fine for me right now. I completly missed that post before, though. Can't wait to see your new screenshot :)
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The screenshot seems to be working for me. :)
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I think the 1and1 server RFG image uploader is hosted on has some downtimes nowadays. Once, I remember loading a page and Nemo's signature was massive. The script did not load completly and showed the entire image instead. Also sometimes stuff takes a while to load. It's far less bad than Imageshack/Photobucket, though.
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yeah the scereenshot is working now
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anyway, i figured people would want a new screenshot with the grey scale
here it is
(hmm you can't see as much colour difference as on the calc...)
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Nice, at least the Nspire BASIC has one thing that other calc BASIC languages doesn't natively support: grayscale. :P
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new update...
it may be possilbe any to have animating health bars... stay tuned
I have discovered the features of spreadsheets and these may be used to directly 'update' the health bars when a variable is changed.
No responses from the other person yet. His name is ElementCoder
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I can't wait for a screenshot. Maybe you will eventually manage to have the first fully animated Nspire RPG. I remember my TI-81 RPG getting featured because it was the first to support maps and have graphics on that platform.
As for ElementCoder, is he a member of any forum? I think I saw that name before...
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anyway, i figured people would want a new screenshot with the grey scale
here it is
(hmm you can't see as much colour difference as on the calc...)
Looks very nice! :)
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I hope i can get an rpg in... However it won't be like TI RPG... different style...
ElementCoder - on ticalc.org
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Ah ok. And yeah it would be nice to have something different. TI-RPG is nice but it would be cool to see something more graphical, to push TI-Nspire BASIC to its full potential.
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Yes, I agree. I hope im the first to get a game like that released.
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/me wonders if a new screenshot will come out soon... (animated with CalcCapture)
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Yeah, it would be nice to get a graphical game in Nspire BASIC
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Well, you're all in luck!!! Just 4 hours ago, i made the biggest discovery/achievement yet.
I not only managed to make the health bars reload much faster (in fact nearly instantaneously), but has opportunity for animating health bars!!! no more dialogue boxes where you type it in. Just drag the slider. A screenshot of this will be up really soon!!!
To MRide there are already graphical games for Nspire BASIC. I think what you mean is an animating graphical game. Hopefully ill be the first to provide that to you all. Stay tuned!!!
and Happy Halloween!!!
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Cool to hear! By graphical game I meant like a RPG where there are some sort of tilemaps.
Now if only it was possible to display the Input box anywhere on the screen...
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a tile map game would be very complex, but possible
yeah , i am working on a workaround for the player to put input... i have a lot of ideas using buttons and sliders and other...s
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Ah cool. I think at one point you should create a new topic in the BASIC section explaining some small Nspire tricks for BASIC programmers :D
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that's a good idea, i felt the previous topic i created about the 'secret' of the health bars wasn't really good.
ok here's the screenshot... it is still under heavy construction for v0.5 of health bar but the first bar at the top is fully configurable... live changes to the graphing pixels!!!!
It probably doesn't look as good as i intend it to be, when it is all tidied up ill post another screenshot
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Nice. Can the HP be changed without having to use a slider, though?
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oops I was meant to demonstrate that in that motion picture, but i rushed it... ok it's coming...
here we are:
Yes you can change the value, on the slider you can just click on the value and type it in... or you can run the sub-program inside that i had in previous versions that allowed you to set the value. just check the screenshot first..
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Ah nice, but can stuff such as CurrentHP + 100 -> CurrentHP automatically updates the bar? Also can we get rid of the Health(100) above the bar and the two numbers below, or is that stuff totally beyond Nspire BASIC capabilities?
Also how do you get Nspire screenshots to be this small? ??? For a 10 seconds screenshot at 5 FPS, CalcCapture produces a 4 MB file for me ???
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For the current HP, i think it can... because the amount of health depends on a single variable (h) that can easily be changed. so when i am changing the slider or typing in the value it should update automatically.
And for your 2nd question you have mentioned this before and I can easily remove the text - just have the health bar only... (i can delete it or hide it, practically any shape or text can be hidden...)
Yes i was wondering why on the other emulator topic that i created (ages ago) why you said the screenshots were such large files. Ill post a screenshot of my settings on Calccapture and see what is happening...
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I think it might be because I had 256 color selected. I'll have to try again with your settings.
Also thanks for the info on the HP bars. :)
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Thanks, this topic has advanced a lot since the beginning
i have nearly created a full pokemon style animating health bar! (run a program i mean)
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Cool :D. It would be nice to see some sort of mini battle engine showing those bars in action :)
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Shell an rpg around it and walaaah! now what should i call it? (something graphical)
sorry recently ive been making slow progress...
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Yeah I noticed you seemed kinda busy lately D:. As for RPG, I'm not too sure. I would just experiment at first, though.
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i am experimenting and have changed the health bars a bit by adding a xp bar... but i am still experimenting... it will probably take a few months and stuff..
yes i am heading into exams...
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Darn you seems to get busier and busier. Didn't exams ends last month anyway? Anyway, good luck.
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different in australia... exams at the end of every term (we have 4 terms in a year)
anyway... i have a long weekend, i have made prograss in the graphical health bars (it's nearly finished in Ti-nspire holdem)
so ill try and post some more progress
your posts and respect go up so fast! respect is at 412! and posts are over 18000!
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Ah ok. Can't wait. :)
When does school ends in Australia? Is it this month?
And yeah I am glad I have something else than 404, though. My respect level couldn't be found anymore then. ???
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it depends in Queensland it ends december 10 however in New south wales it ends december 17
However my school is special and ends 2 weeks earlier than Qld's nov 26!
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Ah I see, cool to hear yours ends earlier. :)
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only 3 1/2 days to go!
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Yay! Progress soon? ;D
Btw are you going in vacations again during your Summer? I notice that sometimes, people leave for the entire Summer when school ends. D:
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No... 8 weeks to kill... i already went to China, need a real break in australia i think
if i do it will be to New Zealand for 1 week max
Sorry i have not posted at all.... for the past week
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Ah ok I see, glad you'll be around ^^. Welcome back by the way. :)
By the way what is the image uploader in your sig? Is it some sort of thing that gives you credits when we click the link? I was wondering why you had an image uploader link in your sig since we already have a semi-proprietary one (http://img.removedfromgame.com ) and a lot of people use Imageshack/Photobucket. Not that it is bad, but I was just curious.
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Oh, I just put it there because I found it when i was using SRWare Iron Browser. When you upload it it gives you lots of options for putting it in forums, in html links and stuff. U can have a normal forum sig pic or a zoomable one and some other options and it gives you the code for all of them, ready to be copied and pasted in...
So just a standard link.
http://img.removedfromgame.com/ is pretty good too becuz it shows u the picture u uploaded.
Have to recreate that userbar...
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Ah ok I see, sounds cool. ^^
The RFG uploader was mostly in response to Imageshack/Photobucket slow loading times. 1and1 is sometimes slow but generally not as bad as some other hosts.
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i ahve been lacking on ticalc.org lately but my health bars have been finalsed a while ago in timrpg
outdated fiels on ticalc
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I'm glad they came to use in something. ;D
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v 1.0 will be coming out i have completed it
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Cool, any idea when it will be uploaded? Also sorry for not replying sooner, I was kinda busy.
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im also sorry for not uploading it yet. too busy too..
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Cool, I'll try it out when I have time :D
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It's not much really. I just tidied it up to finish a project.
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And it is quite finished too.
However I have not posted it on ticalc.org. In fact I have not logged into it for months and months. Last time I uploaded something was March 2011
No way! This topic couldn't have been just number 4412 back then! So many topics 12500+ now!
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It is finally uploaded. The final version of my Health Bars program is now on ticalc.org!
http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/431/43172.html