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Calculator Community => Other Calc-Related Projects and Ideas => TI Z80 => Topic started by: boot2490 on March 17, 2012, 11:14:00 pm

Title: *Idea* Link Cable Multiplayer Mortal Kombat/Smash Bros Style Fighting Game?
Post by: boot2490 on March 17, 2012, 11:14:00 pm
Could it be possible? If you can send variables, you can make the engine simple enough to only need a few in order to send and receive. Could AXE do this? Could it be fast enough to be greyscale? Could it run on an nSpire with an 84 keyboard? (All of the school calcs are nSpires, I want to see how far it could spread around the school XD)
Title: Re: *Idea* Link Cable Multiplayer Mortal Kombat/Smash Bros Style Fighting Game?
Post by: Scipi on March 17, 2012, 11:19:03 pm
It should be fast enough, as was demonstrated with some gCn programs, I believe. I think though, that for it to be fast enough you'd have to have both calcs basically only getting basic information from each other and each calc basically calculating everything needed for their game. (In a sense, the opposite of one calc being host, where one calc calculates everything and sends relevant data to the others)

Though I personally know very little about linking so I could be very, very wrong. :P

Edit: Reading what I have written, I say "basic[ally]" a lot :P
Title: Re: *Idea* Link Cable Multiplayer Mortal Kombat/Smash Bros Style Fighting Game?
Post by: boot2490 on March 17, 2012, 11:24:31 pm
I was thinking it could be more of a DS Download Play kinda thing. You get the full version on your calc, with all the characters and stuff, and single player mode, and other extras, and for multiplayer, it is a simpler version with fewer characters for link speed and transfer size.
Title: Re: *Idea* Link Cable Multiplayer Mortal Kombat/Smash Bros Style Fighting Game?
Post by: Scipi on March 17, 2012, 11:31:27 pm
That would definitely be a good idea to have the single and multiplayer separate. Just for the program actually executing and sending data across the link cable it would have to send as little data as possible and still be able to work. So basically you could just have it send what's being pressed by the user in certain intervals and the other calc uses that data to control the corresponding character. That way one calc doesn't have to send all the data to client calcs which could be too much to send. The only issue would be if there's any disparity with randomized functions.
Title: Re: *Idea* Link Cable Multiplayer Mortal Kombat/Smash Bros Style Fighting Game?
Post by: boot2490 on March 18, 2012, 12:09:53 am
Exactly what I was thinking. Basically, just where the players are, what they are doing, and their health would be all we would need. This would be so awesome...

So what are the bare essentials for a fighting game to be fun in your opinion? I want it to be small and simple but fun, addicting, and replayable.
Title: Re: *Idea* Link Cable Multiplayer Mortal Kombat/Smash Bros Style Fighting Game?
Post by: Scipi on March 18, 2012, 12:16:51 am
Imo, it'd have to be 8 way movement, And perhaps a Standard and Special attack. The SSB Formula could work well.

I don't think you'd even have to send that info. Basically I think you could get away with just sending what's being pressed and the other calc would control that character on its process with those key presses as though they're playing on the same calc. The only issue could come from if there's either differences in timing, lag, or random number generation. Or at least that's how I'm seeing it. :P
Title: Re: *Idea* Link Cable Multiplayer Mortal Kombat/Smash Bros Style Fighting Game?
Post by: ZippyDee on March 18, 2012, 03:07:57 am
2D platformer AI is a pain in the ASS.
Title: Re: *Idea* Link Cable Multiplayer Mortal Kombat/Smash Bros Style Fighting Game?
Post by: TIfanx1999 on March 18, 2012, 08:16:19 am
Lets see:
Possible-yes
Axe- not sure.
Grayscale: probably not with linking.
Nspire compatibility: Sure, as long as it doesn't use any incompatible commands.
Title: Re: *Idea* Link Cable Multiplayer Mortal Kombat/Smash Bros Style Fighting Game?
Post by: boot2490 on March 18, 2012, 11:29:46 am
I'll get working on a one player movement demo soon I guess.
Title: Re: *Idea* Link Cable Multiplayer Mortal Kombat/Smash Bros Style Fighting Game?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 18, 2012, 02:26:57 pm
Such game would be nice. For odd reasons, all SSB projects that got started in the past died, so as a result, there are no existing SSB clone for calcs. There's one Mortal Kombat game from me, but it's single player and uses ASCII graphics in TI-BASIC (not to mention the code was written back in early 2002 so it's very unoptimized).
Title: Re: *Idea* Link Cable Multiplayer Mortal Kombat/Smash Bros Style Fighting Game?
Post by: Netham45 on March 18, 2012, 02:29:14 pm
Such game would be nice. For odd reasons, all SSB projects that got started in the past died, so as a result, there are no existing SSB clone for calcs. There's one Mortal Kombat game from me, but it's single player and uses ASCII graphics in TI-BASIC (not to mention the code was written back in early 2002 so it's very unoptimized).

http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/244/24406.html This is a pretty decent arcade fighter style game that I remember being fun.
Title: Re: *Idea* Link Cable Multiplayer Mortal Kombat/Smash Bros Style Fighting Game?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 18, 2012, 02:30:59 pm
Oh right I forgot about that one. It wasn't finished, though, right?

Also it would be nice if a MK clone had actual floors and background images.
Title: Re: *Idea* Link Cable Multiplayer Mortal Kombat/Smash Bros Style Fighting Game?
Post by: Yeong on March 18, 2012, 02:32:53 pm
I think it was pretty much finished.
Also, for whoever works on this, I can help with hit detection since I did some study about fighting games before. :D
Title: Re: *Idea* Link Cable Multiplayer Mortal Kombat/Smash Bros Style Fighting Game?
Post by: Netham45 on March 18, 2012, 02:34:35 pm
I can't recall, it's been probably 5 years since I played it. I remember it being at least playable and fun, though. A background might get a bit confusing on the screen, heh.

As far as boot's question goes, you should be able to at least get a black and white version done. For linking, I'd say that HOMER's idea was decent.
Title: Re: *Idea* Link Cable Multiplayer Mortal Kombat/Smash Bros Style Fighting Game?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 18, 2012, 02:36:41 pm
Well I meant for example like in the 68K street fighter clone, where the bg was like in Project M: a gray background. It might be better if it's light gray, though.

As for linking, to ensure good syncing between both calcs, when a calc sends info, the other has to wait for it and vice versa. This is slower but it ensures everything is sent and if your cable is defective, once connection resumes, the game resumes again.
Title: Re: *Idea* Link Cable Multiplayer Mortal Kombat/Smash Bros Style Fighting Game?
Post by: Yeong on March 18, 2012, 05:13:11 pm
I can't recall, it's been probably 5 years since I played it. I remember it being at least playable and fun, though. A background might get a bit confusing on the screen, heh.

As far as boot's question goes, you should be able to at least get a black and white version done. For linking, I'd say that HOMER's idea was decent.
with Axe's ability to utilize custom buffer other than 2 main buffers, it's quite possible to do greyscale background and characters with proper hit detection. :D
Title: Re: *Idea* Link Cable Multiplayer Mortal Kombat/Smash Bros Style Fighting Game?
Post by: Geekboy1011 on March 18, 2012, 06:10:11 pm
if this was done in asm i know for a fact it would be possible with linking and gcn, even on axe it should be doable with some hackery to put it simply.

the main issue is the AI any AI would have to be based off a system where it will never go over a certain amount of cc's else the game will laggggg horribadly
Title: Re: *Idea* Link Cable Multiplayer Mortal Kombat/Smash Bros Style Fighting Game?
Post by: boot2490 on March 18, 2012, 11:24:52 pm
There will be no platforms, only flat ground like the original MK. As they say, "Keep It Simple, Stupid." It will be a themeless fighting game, no special or supernatural moves (like streetfighter) but diverse enough to have room for creative use of the moves, i.e. jump kicks, leg sweeps, epic dodges and parries. I will explain my idea for the movement engine tomorrow if I get the chance.
Title: Re: *Idea* Link Cable Multiplayer Mortal Kombat/Smash Bros Style Fighting Game?
Post by: tr1p1ea on March 20, 2012, 04:03:02 am
This takes me back lol, still have a similar project lying around somewhere. Havent worked on it in years however :X.