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Calculator Community => Other Calc-Related Projects and Ideas => TI Z80 => Topic started by: ordelore on January 07, 2014, 02:49:39 pm

Title: Calc Coin: A Bitcoin Proof of Concept
Post by: ordelore on January 07, 2014, 02:49:39 pm
On Cemetech a few days ago, I brought up the idea to make a gCn enabled Bitcoin miner. The response was a simple NO. The difficulty is simply so high, probably the only money we would make would be confiscated by Kerm to pay for the gCn hub's power intake  :banghead:. Another option presented by gbl08ma was to make a Bitcoin wallet. This time, I decided not to because I do not want to be burned in effigy when users start losing all the millions of dollars they have made. The solution came to me when a friend asked me if I could make a new currency by calcs FOR calcs. This means that calculators will (in the future) have a currency of their own to mine!
This ambitious project will be coded in Axe. If this all works out, I might add an update to CalcCoin that would enable trading between calculators.
Title: Re: Calc Coin: A Bitcoin Proof of Concept
Post by: Sorunome on January 07, 2014, 02:53:27 pm
How do you plan on making detection for if somebody is really using a calculator and not some custom pc software?
Title: Re: Calc Coin: A Bitcoin Proof of Concept
Post by: Juju on January 07, 2014, 02:54:27 pm
That would be interesting.
Title: Re: Calc Coin: A Bitcoin Proof of Concept
Post by: ben_g on January 07, 2014, 02:54:43 pm
It sounds like an interesting project, but I don't fully understand the purpose of this currency. How would you earn some of this currency? And on what can you spend it?
Title: Re: Calc Coin: A Bitcoin Proof of Concept
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 07, 2014, 08:21:32 pm
Yeah I never figured out how to acquire a bitcoin myself. I know it's P2P, but I never figured out how it works and explanations seemed more like TL;DR to me >.<.

Does it require a lot of computer resources and bandwidth by the way? If that's the case, then a calc version would probably be problematic, although I guess it would be a nice proof of concept to show that it works. :)
Title: Re: Calc Coin: A Bitcoin Proof of Concept
Post by: Juju on January 07, 2014, 08:50:27 pm
Spoiler For How bitcoins work:
(http://thumbnails.visually.netdna-cdn.com/bitcoin-infographic_5029189c9cbaf.jpg)

Hope it answers your question, DJ.

Actually, you're better buying off an actual bitcoin than get lucky and win bitcoins while mining for them.
Title: Re: Calc Coin: A Bitcoin Proof of Concept
Post by: fb39ca4 on January 07, 2014, 09:00:10 pm
We could do this for s**ts and giggles, but it's not going to work as an actual currency, as someone could just run the mining algorithm on their CPU and outpower all the calculators.
Title: Re: Calc Coin: A Bitcoin Proof of Concept
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 07, 2014, 09:23:02 pm
Or someone could overclock his calculator with radium :trollface:
Title: Re: Calc Coin: A Bitcoin Proof of Concept
Post by: Sorunome on January 08, 2014, 01:44:07 pm
Quote from: Juju on January 07, 2014, 08:50:27 pm
Spoiler For How bitcoins work:
(http://thumbnails.visually.netdna-cdn.com/bitcoin-infographic_5029189c9cbaf.jpg)
[...]
Ah, thanks, that explains it pretty well.
Title: Re: Calc Coin: A Bitcoin Proof of Concept
Post by: ordelore on January 08, 2014, 05:56:49 pm
Quote from: Sorunome on January 07, 2014, 02:53:27 pm
How do you plan on making detection for if somebody is really using a calculator and not some custom pc software?
Quote from: fb39ca4 on January 07, 2014, 09:00:10 pm
We could do this for s**ts and giggles, but it's not going to work as an actual currency, as someone could just run the mining algorithm on their CPU and outpower all the calculators.

I don't think anyone has been able to comunicate with a calculator while said calculator is running an assembly program.

Quote from: ben_g on January 07, 2014, 02:54:43 pm
It sounds like an interesting project, but I don't fully understand the purpose of this currency. How would you earn some of this currency? And on what can you spend it?

This is just a nice little proof of concept. If I get working well enough, then I might make it a huge project. As of now, you can only buy a higher difficulty  >:D.

Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on January 07, 2014, 09:23:02 pm
Or someone could overclock his calculator with radium :trollface:

And then I'll overclock mine with plutonium  :evillaugh:.

On the subject of progress, I have made the entire program already, and now have to implement increasing difficulty.
Title: Re: Calc Coin: A Bitcoin Proof of Concept
Post by: PlazmaPhoenix on January 08, 2014, 06:53:23 pm
Quote from: ordelore on January 08, 2014, 05:56:49 pm
Quote from: Sorunome on January 07, 2014, 02:53:27 pm
How do you plan on making detection for if somebody is really using a calculator and not some custom pc software?
Quote from: fb39ca4 on January 07, 2014, 09:00:10 pm
We could do this for s**ts and giggles, but it's not going to work as an actual currency, as someone could just run the mining algorithm on their CPU and outpower all the calculators.

I don't think anyone has been able to comunicate with a calculator while said calculator is running an assembly program.

Quote from: ben_g on January 07, 2014, 02:54:43 pm
It sounds like an interesting project, but I don't fully understand the purpose of this currency. How would you earn some of this currency? And on what can you spend it?

This is just a nice little proof of concept. If I get working well enough, then I might make it a huge project. As of now, you can only buy a higher difficulty  >:D.

Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on January 07, 2014, 09:23:02 pm
Or someone could overclock his calculator with radium :trollface:

And then I'll overclock mine with plutonium  :evillaugh:.

On the subject of progress, I have made the entire program already, and now have to implement increasing difficulty.

That sounds like an intresting idea. I am yet to sign up to get bitcoins. But 1 bitcoin= 819.50 USD as of now.
Dunno what else to add, but I still think it's a good idea.

Title: Re: Calc Coin: A Bitcoin Proof of Concept
Post by: Keoni29 on January 09, 2014, 02:49:13 am
Quote from: ordelore on January 08, 2014, 05:56:49 pm
Quote from: Sorunome on January 07, 2014, 02:53:27 pm
How do you plan on making detection for if somebody is really using a calculator and not some custom pc software?
Quote from: fb39ca4 on January 07, 2014, 09:00:10 pm
We could do this for s**ts and giggles, but it's not going to work as an actual currency, as someone could just run the mining algorithm on their CPU and outpower all the calculators.

I don't think anyone has been able to comunicate with a calculator while said calculator is running an assembly program.

Quote from: ben_g on January 07, 2014, 02:54:43 pm
It sounds like an interesting project, but I don't fully understand the purpose of this currency. How would you earn some of this currency? And on what can you spend it?

This is just a nice little proof of concept. If I get working well enough, then I might make it a huge project. As of now, you can only buy a higher difficulty  >:D.

Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on January 07, 2014, 09:23:02 pm
Or someone could overclock his calculator with radium :trollface:

And then I'll overclock mine with plutonium  :evillaugh:.

On the subject of progress, I have made the entire program already, and now have to implement increasing difficulty.
It is really easy to communicate with  a calc running an assembly program as long as the assembly program has some lines of code to handle the communication. It has been done countless times.
Title: Re: Calc Coin: A Bitcoin Proof of Concept
Post by: Sorunome on January 09, 2014, 10:23:16 am
But, if the calcs communicate over network, somebody could have a computer simulating the calc and thus mining far quicker...
Title: Re: Calc Coin: A Bitcoin Proof of Concept
Post by: Xeda112358 on January 09, 2014, 11:02:08 am

This is going to be pretty difficult to do on the calculators, especially point 2 :P
Title: Re: Calc Coin: A Bitcoin Proof of Concept
Post by: ordelore on January 23, 2014, 05:38:09 pm
https://sites.google.com/site/ordelore8x/home/CALCCOIN.8xp?attredirects=0&d=1 (https://sites.google.com/site/ordelore8x/home/CALCCOIN.8xp?attredirects=0&d=1)
I managed to finish the program during an extra coding session during study hall. Only one bug is that I can't manage to get that decimal point exactly in between the numbers.
Title: Re: Calc Coin: A Bitcoin Proof of Concept
Post by: TheCoder1998 on January 24, 2014, 02:09:36 am
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on January 07, 2014, 09:23:02 pm
Or someone could overclock his calculator with radium :trollface:

HOW DO I DO THAT?

anyway, the calccoin concept seems great IMHO
Title: Re: Calc Coin: A Bitcoin Proof of Concept
Post by: ordelore on January 24, 2014, 10:09:00 am
Quote from: TheCoder1998 on January 24, 2014, 02:09:36 am
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on January 07, 2014, 09:23:02 pm
Or someone could overclock his calculator with radium :trollface:

HOW DO I DO THAT?

anyway, the calccoin concept seems great IMHO
http://www.ticalc.org/archives/news/articles/1/15/15975.html (http://www.ticalc.org/archives/news/articles/1/15/15975.html)
Anyway, thanks for the enthusiasm.
Title: Re: Calc Coin: A Bitcoin Proof of Concept
Post by: TheCoder1998 on January 24, 2014, 11:52:45 am
What the hell...

that's awesome! :D
Title: Re: Calc Coin: A Bitcoin Proof of Concept
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 24, 2014, 12:19:49 pm
That ticalc link was a fake news, btw, in case anyone isn't familiar with them. :P (my post was actually in reference to that "news")

Title: Re: Calc Coin: A Bitcoin Proof of Concept
Post by: TheCoder1998 on January 24, 2014, 02:07:35 pm
oh, i was like WTF this guy is awesome  :o