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Title: Pokemon Development Topic - Ideas and Discussion Here
Post by: metagross111 on March 07, 2009, 01:05:16 am

Well, I am officially back to work on this. However, I'm doing a total rewrite of the last released version so that it will be awesome...err.....use CelticIII  ::)

Right now I'm just planning and databasing. I don't expect to release a version for some time, since this game will be a huge graphical jump from the original, as well as content. Trainer sprites will be a feature, and there will be several to fight, even though you're still using rentals. it will have saves, as well as a built-in pokedex and a hugely improved version of the original battle engine. this is just a topic for my ramblings about it.

for example, the engine. i am trying to optimize it as much as possible, so that it only uses one 'core'. the original engine had four cores, one for each particular turn situation in battle (you first, him second, and vice-versa). Also, I want to exclaim my surprise that missingno will indeed be featured, though not on purpose. for databasing all pokemon and their sprites, stats, and such, I will need placeholders for special sprites. this leads to a possibility of missingno as a placeholder, though i will try to discourage that :P

i'm hoping that the newer code can be more easily adapted to the possibility of a real rpg, it's certainly possible! converting all my sprites to hex will be a real bitch, though. i tell ya.

it will still be a stadium sim, however it will be a much more enjoyable one. so whatever, start discussing here and shit o_O

Title: Re: Pokemon Development Topic - Ideas and Discussion Here
Post by: noahbaby94 on March 07, 2009, 08:28:47 am

Interesting I've been trying to write a prog to turn sprites into hex but it's still not working but you can always you ti-freakware's  one but I'm not the biggest can of the editor.

Title: Re: Pokemon Development Topic - Ideas and Discussion Here
Post by: metagross111 on March 07, 2009, 09:20:11 am

someone (i forgot who) told me about a computer sprite editor/manager called CalcGS, and it's pretty damn useful. its good for converting large amounts of sprites to hex

Title: Re: Pokemon Development Topic - Ideas and Discussion Here
Post by: {AP} on March 07, 2009, 09:21:24 am

I just finished a sprite to hex program.
Only works for the very first sprite in a pic though and only 8x8.
Doing finishing touches that'll make it possible for 16x16 and making it to where you can select the sprite from the picture.

(EDIT: Didn't see your new post, Meta. Damn, now I feel like I wasted 15 minutes.)

Title: Re: Pokemon Development Topic - Ideas and Discussion Here
Post by: metagross111 on March 07, 2009, 09:28:32 am

oh SNAP!

i just realized my orininal sprite sheet has the sprites separated in 32x32 sections, and that they are positioned just so in a way that they'll fit!


wow. i really have been wasting my time, haven't I? guess i'll feed it into calcgs and get the sprites, eh?

Title: Re: Pokemon Development Topic - Ideas and Discussion Here
Post by: metagross111 on March 07, 2009, 09:30:11 am

Quote from: {AP} on March 07, 2009, 09:21:24 am

I just finished a sprite to hex program.
Only works for the very first sprite in a pic though and only 8x8.
Doing finishing touches that'll make it possible for 16x16 and making it to where you can select the sprite from the picture.

(EDIT: Didn't see your new post, Meta. Damn, now I feel like I wasted 15 minutes.)

i was gonna console you, but yeah. you messed up :P

lol. still. perhaps you should expand on that and make a much more useful and less individual program :D

EDIT: oops, didn't intend to double post.

Title: Re: Pokemon Development Topic - Ideas and Discussion Here
Post by: {AP} on March 07, 2009, 09:33:30 am

Yeah... I'll be working on it still.
Just for the hell of it.

Should be done in no more than an hour.
Or at least a functional version of it.

Title: Re: Pokemon Development Topic - Ideas and Discussion Here
Post by: metagross111 on March 07, 2009, 09:49:05 am

still, though. i'm not sure about CelticIII's speed with extensively working with hex. I was toying with the idea with storing most trainer and pokemon data in hex, and i'm not talking about sprites. for example, the hex for trainer data could tell me it's class (Bug Catcher, Youngster, Engineer), its name after the class, it's corresponding sprite, and it's pokemon data.

the question is, how MUCH pokemon data is relevant? I know that species and attacks are, but is small, individual things like EVs and DVs important or are they better off randomized?

Title: Re: Pokemon Development Topic - Ideas and Discussion Here
Post by: {AP} on March 07, 2009, 09:56:57 am

Quote from: metagross111 on March 07, 2009, 09:49:05 am

the question is, how MUCH pokemon data is relevant? I know that species and attacks are, but is small, individual things like EVs and DVs important or are they better off randomized?

I like the idea a lot. I may steal it for NPCs in Nyaar.
As for the small things... I'd say have it randomized. It'd take ages to have those tiny things each picked out for every pokemon every trainer has.

Title: Re: Pokemon Development Topic - Ideas and Discussion Here
Post by: metagross111 on March 07, 2009, 10:09:29 am

that's sort of what i was thinking.

i suppose it might look something like this:

"AABBCCDDEEFFGVUUUUUUUUUUUUVVVVVVVVVVVVWWWWWWWWWWWWXXXXXXXXXXXXYYYYYYYYYYYYZZZZZZZZZZZZ (~680 bytes)

AA: Class Identifier
BB: Name Identifier
CC: Sprite Identifier
DD: Battle Message
EE: Win Message
FF: Lose Message
G: Number of Pokemon

the last 72 chars are for pokemon:

AABBCCDDEEFFGG

AA: Species Identifier
BB: Level
CC: Move 1
DD: Move 2
EE: Move 3
FF: Move 4

680 bytes is pretty good, actually. I'll be able to store much trainer data in the archive. even then, the number of pokemon tells how many pokemon the trainer has, so i can just leave out the extra zeros for nonexistent pokemon since the program won't try to read from them anyway.

Title: Re: Pokemon Development Topic - Ideas and Discussion Here
Post by: noahbaby94 on March 07, 2009, 11:05:50 am

Looks impressive you could even store it into a program with det(6 then archive it and then barely even have to worry about size.

Title: Re: Pokemon Development Topic - Ideas and Discussion Here
Post by: metagross111 on March 07, 2009, 11:17:24 am

yep.

unfortuantely, calcgs is being retarded. i'm trying to import a bitmap with all the tiles on it, but it gives me a hell of a lot of error messages and then it doesn't work. when i tried to import a fewer number of sprites, it worked, but they were all screwed up, as if someone sliced them up and put pieces together wrong.

-_-

*goes to read the readme again

Title: Re: Pokemon Development Topic - Ideas and Discussion Here
Post by: noahbaby94 on March 07, 2009, 11:25:16 am

Where is this prog I can't seem to find it?

Title: Re: Pokemon Development Topic - Ideas and Discussion Here
Post by: metagross111 on March 07, 2009, 11:25:51 am

search it on ticalc

Title: Re: Pokemon Development Topic - Ideas and Discussion Here
Post by: noahbaby94 on March 07, 2009, 11:30:47 am

Read-me looks very light and I don't see anything about hex.

Title: Re: Pokemon Development Topic - Ideas and Discussion Here
Post by: metagross111 on March 07, 2009, 11:34:46 am

Quote from: noahbaby94 on March 07, 2009, 11:30:47 am

Read-me looks very light and I don't see anything about hex.

i know. it only seems to have trouble importing 32x32 sprites correctly. i know for a fact it does 8x8 just fine

if that's the case, i really don't want to have to cut and paste the entire sheet so that it will work :/

Title: Re: Pokemon Development Topic - Ideas and Discussion Here
Post by: noahbaby94 on March 07, 2009, 11:37:31 am

Well in this case I probably should keep on working on my program.

Title: Re: Pokemon Development Topic - Ideas and Discussion Here
Post by: {AP} on March 07, 2009, 12:16:07 pm

Well, mine's doing okay.
32x32 is really slow though. (makes sense though, generating 256 characters is slow work)
Also, a Celtic III glitch with real(12) is getting on my nerves.

Anyway, sorry CalcGS isn't workin' for ya.

Title: Re: Pokemon Development Topic - Ideas and Discussion Here
Post by: noahbaby94 on March 07, 2009, 12:17:17 pm

Quote from: {AP} on March 07, 2009, 12:16:07 pm

Well, mine's doing okay.
32x32 is really slow though. (makes sense though, generating 256 characters is slow work)
Also, a Celtic III glitch with real(12) is getting on my nerves.

Anyway, sorry CalcGS isn't workin' for ya.

Well it doesn't really need to be fast.

Title: Re: Pokemon Development Topic - Ideas and Discussion Here
Post by: metagross111 on March 07, 2009, 12:22:53 pm

it seems that even in 32x32 mode, it still wants to import the sprite sheet in 8x8 bit chucks, so it looks weird.

Title: Re: Pokemon Development Topic - Ideas and Discussion Here
Post by: {AP} on March 07, 2009, 12:30:13 pm

Quote from: noahbaby94 on March 07, 2009, 12:17:17 pm

Quote from: {AP} on March 07, 2009, 12:16:07 pm

Well, mine's doing okay.
32x32 is really slow though. (makes sense though, generating 256 characters is slow work)
Also, a Celtic III glitch with real(12) is getting on my nerves.

Anyway, sorry CalcGS isn't workin' for ya.

Well it doesn't really need to be fast.

BTW, I apologize for kind of stealing your project...
I didn't really know you were working on one til I was half done. >_<

Title: Re: Pokemon Development Topic - Ideas and Discussion Here
Post by: noahbaby94 on March 07, 2009, 01:00:20 pm

Quote from: {AP} on March 07, 2009, 12:30:13 pm

Quote from: noahbaby94 on March 07, 2009, 12:17:17 pm

Quote from: {AP} on March 07, 2009, 12:16:07 pm

Well, mine's doing okay.
32x32 is really slow though. (makes sense though, generating 256 characters is slow work)
Also, a Celtic III glitch with real(12) is getting on my nerves.

Anyway, sorry CalcGS isn't workin' for ya.

Well it doesn't really need to be fast.

BTW, I apologize for kind of stealing your project...
I didn't really know you were working on one til I was half done. >_<

Don't worry I'm still having troubles with mine I just want to get something to work.
Btw how are you getting the bin to hex to work celtic III built-in one doesn't seem to want to work.

Title: Re: Pokemon Development Topic - Ideas and Discussion Here
Post by: {AP} on March 07, 2009, 01:14:25 pm

Well, I have my program officially done. (minus a feature I plan on adding later)
Only glitch is that while picking the 8x8 sprite you want, you can't see what you're picking.
16x16 and 32x32 work perfectly though.
Albeit... things are still unbearably slow.

Note: All sprites must be in a pic on your calc.
The result is saved in Str1. Also, it uses L₁.
Celtic III needed, so I included it in zip.

{EDIT: Bin to hex? I don't use it so I don't know.}

Title: Re: Pokemon Development Topic - Ideas and Discussion Here
Post by: noahbaby94 on March 07, 2009, 01:19:58 pm

I looked at the code it's nice I just wish there was smaller way to convert a list to a number.

Title: Re: Pokemon Development Topic - Ideas and Discussion Here
Post by: {AP} on March 07, 2009, 01:22:04 pm

I haven't been at the top of my game in a while.
I couldn't think of an easier way to do it... so I just went the long way.
It's how I speed program.

Title: Re: Pokemon Development Topic - Ideas and Discussion Here
Post by: noahbaby94 on March 07, 2009, 01:25:17 pm

Here we go I know it could be done easier.

Code: [Select]

:0
:For(X,1,4
:Ans+2^XL1(X
:End
:det(29,Ans


Title: Re: Pokemon Development Topic - Ideas and Discussion Here
Post by: {AP} on March 07, 2009, 01:31:55 pm

Doesn't work fully.
At a certain point, it goes to dual digits.
Example: 1,1,1,1 should be 'F' instead it outputs '1E'

Title: Re: Pokemon Development Topic - Ideas and Discussion Here
Post by: noahbaby94 on March 07, 2009, 01:37:27 pm

Quote from: {AP} on March 07, 2009, 01:31:55 pm

Doesn't work fully.
At a certain point, it goes to dual digits.
Example: 1,1,1,1 should be 'F' instead it outputs '1E'

Man your right there goes my idea lol.
Edit:Fixed

Code: [Select]

:0
:For(X,1,4
:Ans+2^(X-1)L1(5-X
:End
:det(29,Ans


Title: Re: Pokemon Development Topic - Ideas and Discussion Here
Post by: {AP} on March 07, 2009, 02:00:13 pm

Nice. New version, with another bug fix.
Still can't get the 8x8 selecting to work though...
I don't see why Celtic III is having such a big deal with 8x8 inverted squares... >_>

I like this project. I'll have to give it a title screen and stuff later... =P

Title: Re: Pokemon Development Topic - Ideas and Discussion Here
Post by: metagross111 on March 07, 2009, 02:20:32 pm

Anyhoo, since I'm databasing, you guys might want to post up trainer info for your cameo appearances, if you choose :P

that is Name, Pokemon, Battle, Win, and Lose messages. if you want a sprite, draw one, else i make up one for you. you can have special moves on pokemon within reason, even if it cannot learn the move normally. try NOT to pick legendaries. i will determine the level.

Title: Re: Pokemon Development Topic - Ideas and Discussion Here
Post by: noahbaby94 on March 07, 2009, 02:21:57 pm

Here's mine has a couple more options you input pic num then size then where you want it to start reading.

Title: Re: Pokemon Development Topic - Ideas and Discussion Here
Post by: {AP} on March 07, 2009, 02:29:57 pm

The only thing I like about mine better is the way one selects a sprite.
Otherwise, yours is better in every way. Congratz.
-----------
@meta:
Hm... what generations are you using?
Can't make a team without that info.

Title: Re: Pokemon Development Topic - Ideas and Discussion Here
Post by: metagross111 on March 07, 2009, 02:33:55 pm

ah! smart man! i forgot to mention it. lets stick with the chromatic series around now, eh? ;)\

however, post a team with genII or genIII pokemon as well. I might change my mind.

Title: Re: Pokemon Development Topic - Ideas and Discussion Here
Post by: {AP} on March 07, 2009, 02:42:56 pm

Just for fun then, I've always wanted a team like this (impossible normally):

Name: Anti Pi
Level: Use your best judgment.
Sprite: I might have one later. Do your own if you want.
Messages: I'll come up with some later.
Pokemon:
Pikachu
-Thunderbolt
-Fly
-Aerial Ace
-Any
Pikachu
-Thunderbolt
-Surf
-Bubblebeam
-Any
Pikachu
-Thunderbolt
-Mega Drain
-Solar Beam
-Any
Pikachu
-Thunderbolt
-Flamethrower
-Confuse Ray
-Any
Pikachu
-Thunderbolt
-Ice Beam
-Blizzard
-Any
Pikachu
-Thunderbolt
-Psychic
-Hypnosis
-Any

Title: Re: Pokemon Development Topic - Ideas and Discussion Here
Post by: metagross111 on March 07, 2009, 02:51:56 pm

uh-huh

Title: Re: Pokemon Development Topic - Ideas and Discussion Here
Post by: {AP} on March 07, 2009, 02:53:32 pm

What? =D
I happen to like a certain Pokemon a lot.
They'd all be Mews, but I don't condone the use of multiples of legendaries.

Title: Re: Pokemon Development Topic - Ideas and Discussion Here
Post by: noahbaby94 on March 07, 2009, 04:14:49 pm

Now it's has much better selection move the box around with the arrow keys use +/- to increase of decrease the size of the box then hit 2nd and it will output the hex code into str1.

Title: Re: Pokemon Development Topic - Ideas and Discussion Here
Post by: metagross111 on March 07, 2009, 06:47:36 pm

Oh god, I FINALLY converted all of the sprites into hex! w00t! yays!

*metagross111 celebrates

Title: Re: Pokemon Development Topic - Ideas and Discussion Here
Post by: noahbaby94 on March 07, 2009, 06:50:58 pm

Yeah it was a nice distracting side project for today.

Title: Re: Pokemon Development Topic - Ideas and Discussion Here
Post by: metagross111 on March 07, 2009, 06:56:13 pm

oh, i didn't use your programs :(

go upload them on ticalc :/

Title: Re: Pokemon Development Topic - Ideas and Discussion Here
Post by: trevmeister66 on March 07, 2009, 07:34:32 pm

Quote from: metagross111 on March 07, 2009, 06:56:13 pm

oh, i didn't use your programs :(

go upload them on ticalc :/

LOL

Title: Re: Pokemon Development Topic - Ideas and Discussion Here
Post by: metagross111 on March 07, 2009, 07:46:59 pm

o_O

what? i didn't say i was gonna use em.

Title: Re: Pokemon Development Topic - Ideas and Discussion Here
Post by: trevmeister66 on March 07, 2009, 09:29:52 pm

what you said was still funny

Title: Re: Pokemon Development Topic - Ideas and Discussion Here
Post by: metagross111 on March 08, 2009, 01:00:16 am

here is a peice of teh database, btw :P

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Title: Re: Pokemon Development Topic - Ideas and Discussion Here
Post by: kalan_vod on March 08, 2009, 01:11:12 am

This is all the hex sprite data for the RYB pokemons? Pose an image :P

Title: Re: Pokemon Development Topic - Ideas and Discussion Here
Post by: metagross111 on March 08, 2009, 03:24:32 am

i think an image is up in the other topic

Title: Re: Pokemon Development Topic - Ideas and Discussion Here
Post by: noahbaby94 on March 11, 2009, 12:25:27 pm

I'm going to lock this as the author is now gone.

Title: Re: Pokemon Development Topic - Ideas and Discussion Here
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 11, 2009, 06:40:18 pm

Well if he posts about it elsewhere and I'm on a TI community news run at one point I will just lurk on other forums and do my usual bi-monthly/tri-monthly community RPG updates news article and say Pokemon made progress and link to the topic wher eit is updated, like with other non-Omnimaga projects

Title: Re: Pokemon Development Topic - Ideas and Discussion Here
Post by: simplethinker on March 12, 2009, 11:07:53 pm

metagross111 has requested I forward this to the Omnimaga community (from the Pokémon Gym Recruitment Topic):

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Still, there IS a lot of ROM, even on a regular 83+. So, why not add a bit of my own personal content? It shakes up the game a bit and gives you more to explore. This topic is one of my exploits, the calculator-alternative Pokémon league! This is a series of seven optional bonus gyms, available for challenging after beating the E4 Champion. Each gym represents a popular location in the TI-community, with NPC cameos of users that reside in said community. The thing is, it only works if you guys represent yourselves biggrin.gif

More information, the entire post, and the discussion thread (at UTI) can be found here (http://www.unitedti.org/index.php?showtopic=8625).

Title: Re: Pokemon Development Topic - Ideas and Discussion Here
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 13, 2009, 12:16:57 am

Well I am happy that he is still working on this and hopes he finishes it