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Calculator Community => Other Calc-Related Projects and Ideas => TI Z80 => Topic started by: cooliojazz on August 14, 2009, 11:08:34 pm
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Hey, mines alive, I just didn't think you guys cared that much about it...
Also, I was going for a general file editor, so it could open programs, pics, strings, matricies etc. Only the first two work so far. Anyways though, If you guys want it, I can start posting progress and junk about it... :)
And here I am doing exactly that.
Ok, current features:
-opening of 8xp and 83p files
-opening of 8xi files (this routine is not perfect yet)
-umm, not much else
most of my time has been spent on a library that looks like this:
If HexValue = "2D" Then Return "!"
If HexValue = "2E" Then Return "CubicReg "
If HexValue = "2F" Then Return "QuartReg "
If HexValue = "30" Then Return "0"
If HexValue = "31" Then Return "1"
If HexValue = "32" Then Return "2"
If HexValue = "33" Then Return "3"
If HexValue = "34" Then Return "4"
If HexValue = "35" Then Return "5"
If HexValue = "36" Then Return "6"
If HexValue = "37" Then Return "7"
If HexValue = "38" Then Return "8"
If HexValue = "39" Then Return "9"
If HexValue = "3A" Then Return "."
If HexValue = "3B" Then Return "û"
If HexValue = "3C" Then Return " or "
If HexValue = "3D" Then Return " xor "
If HexValue = "3E" Then Return ":"
If HexValue = "3F" Then Return vbCrLf
If HexValue = "40" Then Return " and "
If HexValue = "41" Then Return "A"
Which is currently 675 lines long. The reson I havn't done saving yet is because I will have to make another library the same size, but backwards and differsnt, so...
Also, it uses the TI-83Plus font, so sadly you cannot copy code from it to here. I've tried, but you guys use a standard font, since it's a webpage...
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Yes please! I care about it :)
Programs work already? wow!
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Actually, sadly you can only open them so far. saving doesnt work. same for the pics. You see, i have this overly large library for the tokens...
I'll tell you guys more in the topic, just first, a quick q: Would this be calculator or non calculator project(for the topic)?
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I'd put it in calculator projects, but I'm not the one to ask :P
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Yep calc project, since it's for calc users. And glad you finally announced it. I wasn't too sure if you wanted to at first x.x. Personally I think this could grab a lot of interest, since a lot of people ask where they can find a good BASIC editor as alternative to the TI-Graph Link one and the ticalc.org one
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Anyone wanna answer my question of how I could make a video of it on the computer?
EDIT: NVM, found something.
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sorry missed the question, what I usually use is CamStudio. Hypercam works too, but it leaves an ad at the top and has choppy framerate and crappier quality
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Thats what I found too.
Note that the third pic is the clodest to being right, and that the program has some (**** is an invalid token) because i still have about 50 more to add.
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Yay for this, btw where did you get the info for the file format?
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off of ticalc.org, it's from this: http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/247/24750.html (http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/fileinfo/247/24750.html)
I found eveything in there
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this is awesome, I hope this eventually becomes an alternative to TIGL and others that were not finished
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I lost motivation there for a while(You try typing close to 700 lines of tokens and tell me it's not tedious) gut since you people seem really interested, i'll do my best to finish it.
BTW, that is not how the final one will look. I am *hoping* to put in a standard MDI, to make everything nice and uniform, even though they wil all have to be different types for each file type.
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I never said it was not tedious...
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dude i cant wait if i knew eirlier i would have pushed sooner lol
if you need a hand or tester or somthin dont be afraid to ask ill gladly help
is this in visual basic and if so what version?
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coool !
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This is in VB 2008. If you want to help geekboy, I have a very important job you could do, as long as you don't mind doing something more tedious then the hex to token converter: The token to hex converter.
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dude i cant wait if i knew eirlier i would have pushed sooner lol
if you need a hand or tester or somthin dont be afraid to ask ill gladly help
is this in visual basic and if so what version?
I am also willing to help with anything that you may need, in my spare time of course.
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Umm, help... hmm... I'd love help, except I don't really know anything you guys could help with except the function that converts a TI token toa hex value. And I might ask for help from any vb programmers if I get stuck on hoe I might do something, but other than that, I really don't know...
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Hmm, if I remember correctly there was a program called detokenizer floating around on one of the TI websites, it was written in C/C++ though, but if I remember correctly the source code contained the hex values of all of the TI characters. I could convert this portion to VB but I'm not to sure if this is the kind of thing you were looking for.
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Yeah, thats not really what I was talking about. I already know all the tokens and their hex values. What
i was saying is that I have a function that looks like:
Public Function Convert(Hexvalue as string, Hexvalue2 as string, ByRef Secondbyte as boolean) //This allows the caller to see if the token was two bytes or not
Secondbyte = false
If HexValue = "1" Then Return "A"
If Hexvalue = "2" Then
Secondbyte = True
If Hexvalue2 = "1" then Return "B"
End
etc.
End Function //Note, those are not the actual tokens, I just did this off the top of my head
So, I can use this to read files with a seperate procedure that uses this as a "library" of codes
Now what I need is one that does the opposite. Sadly, I am very lazy and have been putting off writing this one for as long as possible because the other one is over 700 lines, and this one will easily be twice the size, so...
I was saying I would love if someone would write this for me like this:
Public Function UnConvert(ConversionString as String, ByRef SecondByte as string)
Secondbyte = ""
If Conversionstring(1) = "A" Then
If Conversionstring(2) = "B" Then Return "1F"
Return "1"
End
End Function
I think you'll get how that works, and If you want to work on that for me...
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Hmm...is your source somewhere? I am far better at c# and java than vb, but would you mind me taking a look? Your code showed you using a if then else tree instead of just looping through some arrays, which would probably be easier to code and more effecient.
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I don't know how I could do it with an array, but if you give me enough information, I might try it if it seems better.
I attached my current file to the post.
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Well, the code makes sense so I should be able to convert it to an array based function. The way I think it would work is to fill in a 4 dimmension array with the string data, then for the hex to token, make a for loop to go through the array until it gets a match, check the second byte if its needed, then if thats a match, return the token. The opposite procedure would be loop for the token, return the byte, return the second byte if there is one.
I'll work on this more tommorow, I got the basics of it coded , and assuming I didn't miss something...
:P What does the revert function do?
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Wow that code brings back memories, altough I had very limited vb knowledge since I didn't use it a lot. I think the farthest I went to in VB6 (1998 edition of Visual Studio) is a string tilemapper (see The Reign Of Legends 0 in the download section)
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Array loading: check
Array checking loop: check
second byte: check
return token: check
This is close to good. I still need to test a few things, then put the rest of the tokens into the array before I can make the reverse script. All in all, its nearly there, ;D
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awsome sry bboy but im not awsoMe at vb so yeah
way to go necro cant wait to se you guys finish
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Well, the reverse function "works" though I am not sure how its supposed to be formatted. Right now it returns the byte strings smashed together (so 5C and 1 would be 5C1)...
subsequently, the number of tokens in there is just ridiculous
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erm...have you had any problem with the change in the script?
??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
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i hope this project hasn't died, a ti-basic editor would be very useful...
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same here, I hope it stays alive.
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Oh, it's not. Actually v0.2 *should* be out by tonight if I can get all the bytes in the right place in the file. I just haven't made much progress over the last week. It hasn't been until today I finally figured out how to replace all the vbcrlf's in the main data string, because for some reason .Replace() wouldn't do it. ??? But, now, 1 week later, that I've got that working, like I said before, v0.2 *should be out tonight. And Necro, your new file you made for me was very helpful. Don't worry, that was not where the problems lay...
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I hope you finish it :D
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Yay, I was helpful. :D
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cant wait to try it :)
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If you need anymore help, I dug up my text books for vb and would be willing to try to make a few needed routines.
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I hope you finish this :) it will be so awesome once its finished!
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I've been banned from the computer for the last (almost) week, so I haven't really worked on it at all lately. Still, I feel like showing off what I have so far, so I have attached the installer for current v0.2.
Main Features:
- Pretty MDI layout :)
- Opening of .8xp files
- Saving of .8xp files (NOTE, this is actually at about 95%. You can save a file with this and reopen it with it, but because my file size routines, there's about 4 of them for every file, are not quite correct yet, any files you transfer will either time out the link, or give you an invalid file format error. But if you still want to use it, you can, because once I come out with the next version, you can just open the file and re-save it with the new one and you will be good to go :P )
- Not much else yet...
Also, you have to type the commands with the exact case as shown on the calculator(eg. "If ", not "IF " or "if ") else it will just come out as those letters. And if you want to type special charachters, well, TOO BAD! Either get over it, open a file with that symbol in it for copy-pasta, or wait until the version with a symbol palatte comes out. ;D
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aw sorry to hear :( glad you're back on it now tho ^^
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lol hmmm do you think you could eventually add auto token correcting and tab complete?
eg auto IF becomes if when you press space after the token
eg tab iden !tab! identety(
*geekboy1011 still cant spell lol
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hmmm, i forsee problems with the IF to If. how would it know IF isn't I*F? stupid implied multiplication :P
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True, in TI-Graph link software, when you don't type commands exactly how they should, the software interprets them as 1 letter tokens (lower and upper case)
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Also, poeple who wanted to type things like "Then, if you..." or "The end of the..." wouldn't be able to because it would automatically caps 'em so it came out "Then If you..." or "The End of the..." which wouldn't be terrible, but at the same time, it could be very annoying. I toyed with the same kind of idea, that it wouldn't take any special kind of capitalization for it to come out correctly, but I just saw too many problems in going that route.
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Why don't you have it ignore things inside quotation marks?
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Some program uses BASIC instruction tokens combined together to create words in lowecase. Many basic games did that back in the days before it became widely known that MirageOS has lowercase letter option and some still do to save space. Let's say in your RPG you have a NPC named "Elserand". Well, by using the tokens Else and rand instead of E,l,s,e,r,a,n,d, you saved 13 bytes in optimizing. Because of this, maybe ignoring things inside quotes might not be such a good idea, IMHO (altough you could always let the user the option to choose if he wants them ignored or not)
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I would recommend ignoring things in quotation marks for now, and then after you get this program working go back and see if you can have it automatically substitute tokens for individual characters in strings.
As for determining whether something is a token or not (that's not inside quotes), what if you used "\" (or some other symbol) to specify that it's not a token (since it's less likely for someone to be using IF [=I*F] than If). e.g. If IF=7 would be If \I\F=7?
For special characters, you could have something similar to what TI|BD (http://tibasicdev.wididot.com) uses on their forums (a box to the side where you can copy the special symbols and paste them in).
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For special characters, you could have something similar to what TI|BD (http://tibasicdev.wididot.com) uses on their forums (a box to the side where you can copy the special symbols and paste them in).
Or even better, just click and it auto-pastes, maybe?
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Umm, actually, I was going to make a word like symbol pallatte that has all soame 750 Tokens and charachters, in csae you forget how something is spelled, or capatilized, and for all the non-standard symbols.
And btw, I just thought of this, later I think I'll add a "Export to Standard Font..." Option for use on forums like this, etc. because the program uses the ti 83 plus pc font compared to normal times new romans etc.
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Oh that would be cool, kinda like SourceCoder on Cemetech, right? (the online PRGM viewer/editor)
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Yes programs would end up looking like you had opened it with that so you could copy them without it coming out with lots of wierd symbols.
OK, if you've notice, I haven't said anything about this for a while, and thats because not much has been getting done. Lately, (Well, really for the past 4 weeks-ish) because I have a ton of stuff after school, I have only had enough time to work on this about 1-2 days a week. So sorry anyone who has been awaiting this, but it will kind of be on hold till around the end of October.
On another note, I almost have the picture editing interface completed. Once that is complete, the pic loading routine will be easy to make, loading and saving, well, a lot easier that the programs at least.
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I hope you don't give up, though, I would hate to see this die :(
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I miss one program like this for pc.
Maybe I should start to get the links of documentation needed together to give away anyone interested... When I get them, you will know.
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If you realy don't have that much time for creating it i would be willing to try to help you with it :D
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Coolio, I would be more than willing to help as my current quarter is finally winding down. I've learned a ton about programming in vb this quarter.
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I hope this doesn't die and that Cooliojazz still post tho :( (noticing he hasn't posted much lately)
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he hasn't posted much this lately because of cross country and homework as far as i know. For yesterday and today he had and has a cross country meet going on all day.
Edit: aparently i am wrong
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Well from what he told me he won't be on until tomorrow. I just get a lil worried as he seems to be fading out from the TI community lately, despite being active on IRC :(
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ya i would hate to see him stop getting on :(. that would just stink he is my best friend and the one who got me on here in the first place. :(
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I hope he sticks around. Again, it's pretty common for the TI community users to stay for around 3-4 months these days, though. A smaller minority stick around for longer but not enough to sustain good activity alone and most get busier and busier near the end. Calcs just get less interesting after a while for some people and it has gone worse in the more recent years (some older members here probably remember back when Ticalc.org POTY had like 12 choices for z80 and 25 for 68k).
This is partially why there's a special thread in the hidden staff forum since about 2 month about if the future of this site lies on just calc related stuff (which could eventually means an expansion toward something an older staff suggested last Winter: ROM hacking). In short terms, the release of many featured programs will help the forums that are still active, but now we have alerady reached the point where we have to advertise on Youtube to attract new members.
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now we have alerady reached the point where we have to advertise on Youtube to attract new members.
That is pretty sad and it stinks :(. also i can relate to getting bored on calculators that happened to me as well about a year and a half to two years ago however it only lasted a year :)
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Well, don't worry, I am still working on this. Err, well, I am now that is. I really haven't had a lot of free time to work on it, with CC and Marching band, also going along with the fact that I can't really get myself to work on it unless I have, like, 2-3 hours at least so i can really get into it. Luckily, with marching band ending last week, and CC finishing with running the State Meet today, I should start having sufficient time to work on this.
On another note actually about it...
1. No, saving still doesn't work. I finally fixed all the token issues, put all the other byte calculations where I thought they should be, and tested it, and it failed. I tuned it up a little bit then, but moved on, figuring I'd fix that later. Now I need to analyze it byte by byte against an original to see where its messed up, but I can't right now. (see 3)
2. I have the picture editing interface almost done, just a couple mods and it should be good. (Mostly sizing issues and, once again, 3)
3. If you read above, I have switched to an MDI, which alows much more conveinient multi-file type managing, and the added bonus of being astetically(Raar! I know I spelled this wrong!) pleasing. Sadly this adds a lot of interesting code to allow for getting data from all the childs etc. which was mostly working, then I did something a while ago that I can't remember, and the whole thing went into the dump. (Saving relies on this)
4. Nothing really else to add, like i said i havent been working on this at all hardly...
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cool also remember i am always willing to help.
or at least try to because i may not understand it. :P
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At least glad it is still alive in some ways ^^
astetically(Raar! I know I spelled this wrong!)
If the newly added Opera browser spell checker isn't playing me tricks, it should be "esthetically". I have troubles with that kind of words myself, as well as "available", where I swap the i and l pretty often x.x
now we have alerady reached the point where we have to advertise on Youtube to attract new members.
That is pretty sad and it stinks :(. also i can relate to getting bored on calculators that happened to me as well about a year and a half to two years ago however it only lasted a year :)
Yeah, I myself lost interest for a while, to the point where I hardly checked other TI forums at least twice. That was somewhere late 2006 and early 2007, as well as mid 2008, where I went close to start Casio FX-9x50G programming but quickly lost interest toward calc stuff. However I have been doing calc-related stuff since over 8 years and am way past hi school. x.x
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Yeah, I myself lost interest for a while, to the point where I hardly checked other TI forums at least twice. That was somewhere late 2006 and early 2007, as well as mid 2008, where I went close to start Casio FX-9x50G programming but quickly lost interest toward calc stuff. However I have been doing calc-related stuff since over 8 years and am way past hi school. x.x
dang you have programed for a long time :o
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this is nothing, though. The author of Pokémon purple have done calc stuff for 12 years (altough he kinda faded away for a while earlier this year) and that guy called Fryedsoft did it for about 13 years before stopping nearly completly in 2006. Some other Omnimaga channel users also have done it for at least 6 years too, like Iambian and tr1p1ea. I think DebrouxL and Folco have done TI-89 stuff for 8 or 9 years too
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Holy cow!!! :o apparently i am one of the few kinda new to calculator people.
almost everybody seems to have been calculating for a realy long time or just know a ton of stuff about calculator programing.
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Keep in mind that at least 95% of our regular users have been doing calc stuff for only between a few months and a year, though.
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realy ok i'm not that alone :D
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I'm actually coming up on a year soon :D
or is it two? I can't remember....
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I think one. You joined Cemetech in Jan 09 and almost nearly moved to just Omnimaga somewhere last Spring.
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True... So I think this is one year? But it might be two...I really can't remember....
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If you started long before joining any TI forum, then it might be two at least. You joined the first TI forum last Winter though
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Yeah, I did start before, but I can't remember how long before...
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I belive I have been pgoraming for a couple of years (2-3?)
But we can't wait for you to get your calc back :(
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Ya i have only actualy have programmed for a year and maybe a half and that is if you don't count the in between programming time. ;D
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I have programed for about 2 years.
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cool :P
i just thought about it but shouldn't we be talking about the program not how long we have been programming :P
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K, back on topic:
This looks like a relly neat project. Hope you finish it. :)
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good back to topic :P
also i agree it is a very neat project
Edit: i saw it yesterday and so far it looks like it is coming along nicely
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back on topic
No, it is against forum rules. J/K I hope Squirreliojazz continues to post some progress