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Re: zStart - an app that runs on ram clears
« Reply #1110 on: March 13, 2014, 03:09:10 pm »
Seing that both are full apps, I doubt the space will be enough to put them into zStart.
They are not full apps, there is always some unused space. That's how Kerm managed to put a lot of apps (like Celtic III, MirageOS, etc) plus new features in 3 pages only (I only think that most features are useless, as opposed to zStart's features).

However, while MirageOS libs seems to me like a very good idea to add to zStart, I personnally don't use Symbolic so I would not see it in zStart. And the only things I use in Omnicalc are fast apps, parentheses assistant, hide finance, and entries menu, and I can live without those (except maybe hide finance) so I would not say that it should be included either, or at least not all of it.
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Re: zStart - an app that runs on ram clears
« Reply #1111 on: March 13, 2014, 05:56:45 pm »
Just FYI, rabbitsign should be available on Ticalc as well. :)

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Re: zStart - an app that runs on ram clears
« Reply #1112 on: March 13, 2014, 08:42:21 pm »
maybe they don't take up the full space

I believe they more or less do.

if thepenguin can make a 2-page app, he can make a 3- or 4-page app too right?

What's the point, then? It seems like all it would do is get rid of two physical applications and their menu entries without saving any archive space, which seems like a lot of work for not much benefit. And then things would start getting messy with multiple versions of zStart for people who do and don't want Omnicalc, people who do and don't want Symbolic, etc.

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Re: zStart - an app that runs on ram clears
« Reply #1113 on: March 13, 2014, 08:58:57 pm »
You can sign it yourself, that's what I did. Just get RabbitSign somewhere and drag-and-drop zStart on the "drag and drop over me" file ;)
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I'm not sure about the whole gray comments thing. You'd need to be constantly updating the screen for the gray to look solid, which means allocating about 2/3 of CPU time just to grayscale updates. Not only would that result in a pretty noticeable slowdown of the editor, but it would probably have a large (negative) impact on battery life, as well.


And then there's the implementation difficulty, too. :P
All of that and then the fact that it would take another 1.5KB of ram. I tried to make this program editor emulate the TI-OS one, so to have a program that's not supposed to actually use any ram at all use total probably would have some interference issues.


Interestingly though, I display the screen with fastCopy. So in principle, grayscale is possible.
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Re: zStart - an app that runs on ram clears
« Reply #1114 on: March 14, 2014, 01:43:01 am »
if thepenguin can make a 2-page app, he can make a 3- or 4-page app too right?

What's the point, then? It seems like all it would do is get rid of two physical applications and their menu entries without saving any archive space, which seems like a lot of work for not much benefit. And then things would start getting messy with multiple versions of zStart for people who do and don't want Omnicalc, people who do and don't want Symbolic, etc.
But everyone wants MirageOS libs, no ? It allows to run every single program (except maybe 20).
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Re: zStart - an app that runs on ram clears
« Reply #1115 on: March 14, 2014, 07:15:52 am »
if thepenguin can make a 2-page app, he can make a 3- or 4-page app too right?

What's the point, then? It seems like all it would do is get rid of two physical applications and their menu entries without saving any archive space, which seems like a lot of work for not much benefit. And then things would start getting messy with multiple versions of zStart for people who do and don't want Omnicalc, people who do and don't want Symbolic, etc.
But everyone wants MirageOS libs, no ? It allows to run every single program (except maybe 20).

If there's leftover space in a two-page version of zStart, I can definitely see the point of adding MirageOS libraries. I just wouldn't be in favor of adding a page primarily for it (in that case, just use the original app!). But I believe TheCoder1998 was asking about consuming Omnicalc and Symbolic, which would in all likelihood need most of two pages for themselves, which I'm not as keen on and is what that quote was supposed to address.

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Re: zStart - an app that runs on ram clears
« Reply #1116 on: March 14, 2014, 08:27:54 am »
^Pretty much agree. I could see adding the Mirage stuff, and have actually been pondering something similar myself. The others though, I don't see much sense to adding.

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Re: zStart - an app that runs on ram clears
« Reply #1117 on: March 14, 2014, 10:53:11 am »
um, i have noticed some significant bugs in the program editor
sometimes when editing a large program from archive, some code gets replaced and the whole screen gets garbled
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Re: zStart - an app that runs on ram clears
« Reply #1118 on: March 14, 2014, 11:58:38 am »
Could somebody put a screenshot of the small editor? I don't have a link cable (or wabbitemu) at the moment to try it out
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Re: zStart - an app that runs on ram clears
« Reply #1119 on: March 14, 2014, 03:17:02 pm »

Just me running over some random code and scrolling. At the end, I kinda demonstrate how it breaks when Mathprint is enabled. Well, Mathprint sucks, too bad.

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Re: zStart - an app that runs on ram clears
« Reply #1120 on: March 14, 2014, 04:02:39 pm »
Hmm... That error is too bad... but it won't affect me because it finally became important enough for me too downgrade from 2.55 to 2.43  ;)   I will miss a little bit about mathprint (mostly realistic square roots,  logBASE, and powers) but I am sick of having to avoid doing certian things just to keep my calc from crashing due to mathprint.

Thank you sooooo much thepenguin77!!!! I have been waiting for a small text editor for a long time! You definitely earned a +1 :thumbsup:   I love how zStart works so well with omnicalc.

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Re: zStart - an app that runs on ram clears
« Reply #1121 on: March 14, 2014, 07:29:15 pm »
You guys know you can turn of MathPrint, right? That severely reduces the number of "bugs" caused by MathPrint. And I put "bugs" in quotes because with MathPrint off, I've never seen it causes any issues itself. I think the issues are caused by programs like Omnicalc expecting certain things to be a certain way, but they changed with the MathPrint OSes.

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Re: zStart - an app that runs on ram clears
« Reply #1122 on: March 15, 2014, 12:02:03 pm »
You guys know you can turn of MathPrint, right? That severely reduces the number of "bugs" caused by MathPrint. And I put "bugs" in quotes because with MathPrint off, I've never seen it causes any issues itself. I think the issues are caused by programs like Omnicalc expecting certain things to be a certain way, but they changed with the MathPrint OSes.
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Re: zStart - an app that runs on ram clears
« Reply #1123 on: March 15, 2014, 08:02:38 pm »
Is there any way to add some sort of "suspend" to the program editor? Press a button and you're at the homescreen, where you can math out that constant you need, and then press it again and you're back where you were.
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Re: zStart - an app that runs on ram clears
« Reply #1124 on: March 15, 2014, 08:09:16 pm »
Is there any way to add some sort of "suspend" to the program editor? Press a button and you're at the homescreen, where you can math out that constant you need, and then press it again and you're back where you were.

Now that's an idea I could really get behind.