Omnimaga
General Discussion => Technology and Development => Web Programming and Design => Topic started by: alberthrocks on September 14, 2010, 01:58:40 am
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...and no, this isn't an OTcalc poll in disguise. ;)
I found this awesome VPS plan (Economy, here: http://www.hostfolks.com/hosting/vps/), and I'm in a need of a domain/subdomain to go with it.
There are 2 I've registered:
alberthrocks.us.to (my username)
withg.us.to (with vigorous and enthusiastic enjoyment = with gusto)
If you are suggesting another domain, it has to be from freedns.afraid.org, preferably ending with .us.to.
I need a consensus by Sept. 14, 12 PM EST/EDT! :)
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Darn those gotta be the cheapest VPS plans I've seen so far. I wonder if that company is reliable and well known? I hope they aren't another Jatol x.x
In the future I may be forced to switch to a VPS for Omni due to the traffic, but then this means I would be forced to ditch TIMGUL (I would most likely keep it on my old 1and1 account, where I have mtvmg domain name for free), because TIMGUL is MASSIVE. Omni takes about 3 GB of diskspace I think and both sites uses about 90 GB of bandwidth per month. I'll probably ask various people if they know a bit about that host, before taking any risk. Surpasshosting and most other shared hosting appears to have PHP safe mode or no cURL and the like, so that pretty much ruined my plans for hosting move there. Should Omnimaga activity increases more, a VPS looks like it is what we may be forced to use.
ANYWAY back on topic: I would go with alberthrocks.us.to.
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Darn those gotta be the cheapest VPS plans I've seen so far. I wonder if that company is reliable and well known? I hope they aren't another Jatol x.x
In the future I may be forced to switch to a VPS for Omni due to the traffic, but then this means I would be forced to ditch TIMGUL (I would most likely keep it on my old 1and1 account, where I have mtvmg domain name for free), because TIMGUL is MASSIVE. Omni takes about 3 GB of diskspace I think and both sites uses about 90 GB of bandwidth per month. I'll probably ask various people if they know a bit about that host, before taking any risk. Surpasshosting and most other shared hosting appears to have PHP safe mode or no cURL and the like, so that pretty much ruined my plans for hosting move there. Should Omnimaga activity increases more, a VPS looks like it is what we may be forced to use.
ANYWAY back on topic: I would go with alberthrocks.us.to.
Hehe, I did some more research. :) As it turns out, they've been here for quite a while:
http://www.lowendbox.com/blog/hostfolks-5-95-512mb-openvz-vps-in-multiple-locations/#comments (http://www.lowendbox.com/blog/hostfolks-5-95-512mb-openvz-vps-in-multiple-locations/#comments)
And to back that up, ANOTHER post!
http://www.lowendbox.com/blog/hostfolks-5-95-openvz-vps-with-512mb/ (http://www.lowendbox.com/blog/hostfolks-5-95-openvz-vps-with-512mb/)
Comments suggest that it's a BurstNet reseller. BurstNet is here:
http://www.burst.net/linvps.shtml (http://www.burst.net/linvps.shtml)
Looks like HostFolks is offering more than them (in terms of specs, not IPs)! :)
Also, I verified their longeivity - they've definitely been here for *quite* a while!
http://web.archive.org/web/*sa_/http://hostfolks.com (http://web.archive.org/web/*sa_/http://hostfolks.com)
http://www.networksolutions.com/whois-search/hostfolks.com (http://www.networksolutions.com/whois-search/hostfolks.com)
(from WHOIS: Created on: 05-Mar-01, Expires on: 05-Mar-17, Last Updated on: 03-Mar-09)
They're started their VPS service in 2008:
http://web.archive.org/web/20080108113517/http://www.hostfolks.com/ (http://web.archive.org/web/20080108113517/http://www.hostfolks.com/)
(Compare that to late 2007: http://web.archive.org/web/20071108233230/http://www.hostfolks.com/ (http://web.archive.org/web/20071108233230/http://www.hostfolks.com/) - interesting, eh?)
I'm also eyeing this website:
http://www.lowendbox.com/blog/buildyourvps-openvz-vps-from-2/ (http://www.lowendbox.com/blog/buildyourvps-openvz-vps-from-2/)
It's seems shady at best though, and there's barely any mention of specs. :P
Do ask before you take. I'm ready to take it anyway, since I hate my old host. :P
If you haven't noticed, http://www.lowendbox.com/ (http://www.lowendbox.com/) is the website I use to find interesting deals like this. ;)
They also give you a "safe" rating at the end of each post.
Do note that VPS != hosting, but VPS > hosting. By default, there is *no* control panel installed.
In fact, it's radically different from web hosting. VPS is a server - basically, you get full access to a
virtual computer! :) Is it like shared hosting? A little - you can't go and gobble up the CPU for hours and such.
(You can take CPU time, but don't abuse it - for instance, treating the server as a renderfarm and doing hours of
movie/image making on it :P)
However, RAM and others are limited by default (from the plan), so you're in a little box anyway, and they won't care too much.
(Basically, you can kind of overrun every resource, since it's your "box" - it's contained.)
The real server has multiple VPSes on it, so you're "sharing" it so to speak. But in the end, VPS > web hosting any day (IMO)! :D
cPanel is a great control panel to replace 1and1's control panel, but it's pretty expensive ($13/month on the VPS hosting website). Webmin (User and pass is demo, see demo: http://webmin-demo.virtualmin.com/), and Kloxo (http://demo.kloxo.com:7778/login/) are free control panels offered. And of course, HyperVM is provided to control your own VPS. :)
In conclusion...
- I'll be buying my first VPS today! :D (At 12 PM EST/EDT today) (On topic, apparently!)
- VPS != hosting, but VPS > hosting
- VPSes will take a while to set up and use, but they're worth your time, plus you get FULL control over everything, including PHP config (yup, php.ini!), MySQL, type of server (Apache, lighttpd, etc.) - they give you a Linux virtual server connected to the internet, so you can do anything you want with it! :D (Well, almost everything)
On topic though, thanks for the opinion, DJ! :) If you need any help in the future should you decide to buy a VPS, feel free to contact me! If I'm available (hopefully I am), I'll be happy to help you set it up! :) Also, if you'd like to play around with the VPS when I get it, feel free to PM me! :) (Everyone can play with it as long as you don't sudo rm -rf / it :P)
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And i thought my VPS was cheap...
I like how you can make words with the TLD (.us.to) and not just a name + a TLD, so I voted withg.us.to.
DJ, I highly recommand you moving Omnimaga to a VPS, despite the fact you have to have some knowledge in Linux. But I'm sure there is at least one staff who knows how to setup everything correctly in the first place, so you could run the server without typing all these commands in a console. Webmin is kinda great for a control panel. And with a VPS, you have everything you want, so it's worth the move. In fact, it's a server with several virtual machines on it and they give you complete access to one of them, each of these virtual machines is referred to as a Virtual Private Server (VPS). Plus, you can host your IRC bots, IRC servers, radios, game servers, etc., anything, like you were running these servers on your own computer. It's really nice. :)
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Yeah that would be the only issue with me: having to install everything I need to run my site. Another issue is that I would also need to find a way to have web stats too, like I have on 1and1 (visitors/page views) and a few other stuff, so I would need some people help for sure. But yeah, I like the fact it's pretty much like a computer and you are the only one using that space. On shared hosting, if a porn site is hosted on the same server/db server as Omnimaga and gets 30 million hits a day, this causes all other websites including Omni to run extremly slow or go down often on that server.
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Stats should be easily doable with an Apache log analyser or even with your board software.
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Yeah. The board software only does forum views, though, not total domain name views. I was also worried that most stats softwares out there are paid or something. I would most likely need someone to code something x.x
On-topic, that poll seems pretty tied x.x
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DJ, I'm 100% sure there is free and open source stats software, but I'm not really sure there is a web interface. I'm even sure that for each task you want to do on a computer, there is a free software way to do it.
alberthrocks, depends what you want to put on your website. Also, it's always possible to point both names to the same place, or even make 2 different websites.
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@juju, DJ: AWStats is a very popular FOSS stats tracker. :) I recall that it's installed on both of the control panels, in which you can configure it to track directories, etc.
@juju: Yes, I know. :) But there's an "initial" domain to start from. And, IRC bots, some render stuff, plus portions of websites will be on my VPS. ;)
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Yeah in my case it would simply be a matter of tracking every hit on public directory except one of the OmnomIRC file (that is viewed everytime OmnomIRC refreshes).
I think on 1and1, domain names can either be pointed to a directory on my hosting package, or forwarded elsewhere. I'm not sure about pointing it to a different domain name without forwarding, though. I wonder if I switch hosting if I won't be forced to transfer my domain name (which can lead to severe downtimes, sometimes worse than what UTI had in April)...
Btw do you have any free domain names included? With 1and1 package there's often one or two included for free. If that's the case you may even be able to have a domain name like alberthrocks.us or .com
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Depends if they let you mess with the DNS or change the nameservers.
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According to 1and1 settings, it lets me change those two things or the IP address the domain name points to.
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@DJ, Juju: Nope, you have to provide your own. And I think you would point the domain to a fixed IP, since they give you one for free. (Web hosting though offers a free domain with a higher plan. I'm assuming that they assume that if you wanted a VPS, you'd know that you needed a domain/subdomain in the first place. ;))
Well, that's it folks! :)
From Cemetech and this site, alberthrocks.us.to got 5+0=5 votes, and withg.us.to got 4+2=6 (first num is Omni, 2nd is Ceme). And of course, Netham45's lovely "Other" selection is nullified, due to no name specified. :P
Needless to say, withg.us.to is the domain name! :) No worries though - alberthrocks.us.to will still point to the server, but the VPS settings will say withg.us.to.
Thanks for voting! :D I'll keep ya updated, and when ready, might let some peeps onto my VPS! :D
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Aaah cool!
It would be nice to host some bots or something there such as SpyBot45
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Aaah cool!
It would be nice to host some bots or something there such as SpyBot45
It's definitely possible, since my bot is Python, and I wrote it on Linux. ;)
Depending on circumstances, I might need donations to pay the monthly bill.
(For me, $6/month is a big sucker out of my money, and I will likely run out very soon)
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I've ordered the VPS! :D
Here's the info below: (I've removed any personal info)
Dear Albert *** (N/A),
This is a payment receipt for Invoice **** sent on 09/14/2010
VPS Package #1 - withg.us.to (09/14/2010 - 10/13/2010)
VPS Location: Scranton, PA - USA
Operating System: Debian 5 32 Bit
Additional CPU Cores: None
Additional RAM: None
Additional Disk Space: None
Additonal IP Addresses: None
Bandwidth Upgrades: None
Remote Backup: Monthly Backup $5.95 USD
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Sub Total: $5.95 USD
Credit: $0.00 USD
Total: $5.95 USD
Amount: $5.95 USD
Transaction #: ********
Total Paid: $5.95 USD
Remaining Balance: $0.00 USD
Status: Paid
You may review your invoice history at any time by logging in to your client area.
Note: This email will serve as an official receipt for this payment.
Regards,
Hostfolks Internet / Serverfolks
www.hostfolks.com
www.serverfolks.com
domains.hostfolks.com
Now for the magical setup email... :P
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Sounds nice. Also I checked online and they seems to have been around for a while. I hope they continue doing so in the future. What I think I'll do in case if I move Omni is that I'll keep my 1and1 space up for storage purposes. I'll do additional Omni backups there (database and some new files).
As for myself I would never be able to receive donations for my site because I do not have a verified Paypal address (to verify it, I need immediate transaction receipt at my bank but they only gave them once a month, one month late).
I hope you don't have too much issues setting it up
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Sounds nice. Also I checked online and they seems to have been around for a while. I hope they continue doing so in the future. What I think I'll do in case if I move Omni is that I'll keep my 1and1 space up for storage purposes. I'll do additional Omni backups there (database and some new files).
As for myself I would never be able to receive donations for my site because I do not have a verified Paypal address (to verify it, I need immediate transaction receipt at my bank but they only gave them once a month, one month late).
I hope you don't have too much issues setting it up
Probably keep 1and1 for backup, storage, and TIMGUL. That works perfectly. :)
For Paypal donations (for you), is there anyway to go online for transaction checking?
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Not sure. I tried going to check online and it said invalid info. I guess I need to get an account offline or something