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#### Hot_Dog

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##### New Heart of the Swarm Multiplayer Units
« on: October 22, 2011, 01:04:39 pm »
http://us.battle.net/blizzcon/en/blog/3768748/StarCraft_II_Multiplayer_Panel_at_BlizzCon_2011-10_21_2011#blog

What do you think?  I like what I'm reading so far, except that I wish that the carrier would remain and just be "upgraded" to hold the changes that the new Tempest would bring.
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##### Re: New Heart of the Swarm Multiplayer Units
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2011, 07:40:40 pm »
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Thor: Can only have one, like mothership from Wings of Liberty
Nuuu I love mass thors
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Swarm host
I think I saw the picture of it somewhere...It looks like a mixture of lurker and roach
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Tempest
They're planning to add this again? O.o
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Mothership is cut in favor of this unit(Oracle)
wtf?

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##### Re: New Heart of the Swarm Multiplayer Units
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2011, 08:41:01 pm »
I thought thors were already powerful enough like they are? I just played a 3v3 earlier and someone went mass thors. The only way I could ever defeat them was mass lings and banes. Mutas, roaches and hydras seems to get obliterated fast. I didn't try infestors, though. However I think the thor was already too slow to begin with.

Also the carrier kinda became useless in SC2, so it's good that they upgrade it to something better, but I wish it remained as a carrier, since it's a big part of SC history. I'M happy abotu the hydra change, since they were so slow.
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##### Re: New Heart of the Swarm Multiplayer Units
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2011, 08:43:17 pm »
I would really love to see hellion transforming
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##### Re: New Heart of the Swarm Multiplayer Units
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2011, 08:51:04 pm »
Hmm now that I look again at it, they sayt eh helion transforms like the viking. Does it means it becomes an air unit? Because if that's the case, I hope the upgrade is not too early in the game, otherwise defending helion harrass as zerg will be next to impossible.
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##### Re: New Heart of the Swarm Multiplayer Units
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2011, 08:58:56 pm »
Hmm now that I look again at it, they sayt eh helion transforms like the viking. Does it means it becomes an air unit? Because if that's the case, I hope the upgrade is not too early in the game, otherwise defending helion harrass as zerg will be next to impossible.
Unless they make zerglings attack air.
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##### Re: New Heart of the Swarm Multiplayer Units
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2011, 09:22:29 pm »
Yeah. I also hope the new detector for Zerg won't cost insane amounts of gas, else it will make it even harder to get quick detection when we didn't spot the dark shrine. Scouting as zerg is hard sometimes because everyone walls in and won't let overlords in. Often you don't have time to get an evo then a spore crawler, not to mention spore crawlers aren't as mobile.
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##### Re: New Heart of the Swarm Multiplayer Units
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2011, 12:54:56 am »
Hmm now that I look again at it, they sayt eh helion transforms like the viking. Does it means it becomes an air unit? Because if that's the case, I hope the upgrade is not too early in the game, otherwise defending helion harrass as zerg will be next to impossible.

It means it the hellion transforms into something different.

The viking transforms between air and ground, so it's either one or the other.  But it doesn't cost the viking anything once the upgrade is researched.  So the hellion is either fast or slow/heavy, but it's not both at once.

And I also like the new hydra-speed thing
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##### Re: New Heart of the Swarm Multiplayer Units
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2011, 01:43:16 am »
I thought thors were already powerful enough like they are? I just played a 3v3 earlier and someone went mass thors. The only way I could ever defeat them was mass lings and banes. Mutas, roaches and hydras seems to get obliterated fast. I didn't try infestors, though. However I think the thor was already too slow to begin with.

Also the carrier kinda became useless in SC2, so it's good that they upgrade it to something better, but I wish it remained as a carrier, since it's a big part of SC history. I'M happy abotu the hydra change, since they were so slow.

against mass thors, you want to get mass roaches (upgraded of course) and then when they start massing tanks to get rid of your roaches, you get mutas/brood lords.

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##### Re: New Heart of the Swarm Multiplayer Units
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2011, 01:47:07 am »
Once I had mass roach (about 40) at level 2 and he had about 6 lv0 thors and the roaches were wiped out in 3 seconds. They were even burrowed before attacking, so I can surround my opponent.
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##### Re: New Heart of the Swarm Multiplayer Units
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2011, 01:48:06 am »
woah really? that... shouldn't happen may be he hax hahaa

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Dumb boss + dumb employee = overtime
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A successful woman is one who can find such a man.
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To be happy with a man, you must understand him a lot and love him a little.
To be happy with a woman, you must love her a lot and not try to understand her at all.
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Married men live longer than single men do, but married men are a lot more willing to die.
7. PROPENSITY TO CHANGE
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A woman has the last word in any argument.
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##### Re: New Heart of the Swarm Multiplayer Units
« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2011, 01:48:36 am »
Yeah mass thor with upgrades is very very hard to beat With protoss you can go collosus, but I'm not sure how Zerg would respond.

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##### Re: New Heart of the Swarm Multiplayer Units
« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2011, 07:27:23 am »
Infesters
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##### Re: New Heart of the Swarm Multiplayer Units
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2011, 04:21:29 pm »
woah really? that... shouldn't happen may be he hax hahaa
Yeah he was level 2 thor and I had lv 3 roach. He probably used his cannon ability though. As for infestors Idk I always found them hard to use because it requires so much micro to not lose them and often my fungal growth ends up missing lots of units.
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