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Re: Programming Languages
« Reply #75 on: January 17, 2011, 04:40:35 pm »
I have seen some pretty advanced apps programmed in html before, but the source is pratically unreadable.
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Re: Programming Languages
« Reply #76 on: January 17, 2011, 05:10:43 pm »
I dont think you can program in html 0.0
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Re: Programming Languages
« Reply #77 on: January 17, 2011, 05:16:19 pm »
You code HTML, you don't program HTML. Also I can make a HTML program, but even though, it's markup language.

Quote from: holmes221b on January 17, 2011, 04:25:57 pm
Quote from: Scout on January 17, 2011, 03:50:52 pm
HTML and CSS aren't programming languages, not something you can "count as/as not", it's fact, like '1+1=2', you can't discuss it.
HTML is a markup language, not a programming language.
You are actually quite mistaken, Scout:
Quote from: http://www.devarticles.com/c/b/HTML/
Hypertext Markup Language (HTML) is the authoring software language used for building web pages. It is a subset of Standard Generalized Markup Language (SGML). In HTML, a block of text is often surrounded by tags that indicate how a browser should display it. There’s much more to HTML than that, of course...
For example, you can store and then later recall information using HTML. You can also use HTML to create a webpage calculator.

I could even make COD:Black Ops HTML+Images+CSS only, it would still be a markup language. It defines documents on a browser, so a browser is a pre-requisite. Eitherway, a markup language is not the same thing as a programming language.
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Re: Programming Languages
« Reply #78 on: January 17, 2011, 05:26:00 pm »
I know html5 can do behaviors by itself but regular html requires some sort of scripting such as js or vb AFAIK.
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Re: Programming Languages
« Reply #79 on: January 17, 2011, 05:27:41 pm »
Quote from: Broseph Radson on January 17, 2011, 05:26:00 pm
I know html5 can do behaviors by itself but regular html requires some sort of scripting such as js or vb AFAIK.

Once again, not what it can do, but what it is: that's what defines something.

HTML5+JavaScript is really powerful!
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Re: Programming Languages
« Reply #80 on: January 17, 2011, 05:35:26 pm »
very powerful indeed
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Re: Programming Languages
« Reply #81 on: January 17, 2011, 05:38:43 pm »
Well, I was taught that HTML was a "programming" language when I learned HTML in elementary school, so I don't know.
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Re: Programming Languages
« Reply #82 on: January 18, 2011, 12:51:11 am »
I got taught it was more of a markup language, although it could do some minor programming-type stuff such as clicking button behavior and the like. No variable, however.
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Re: Programming Languages
« Reply #83 on: January 18, 2011, 08:13:58 am »
There are no variables, you can't write functions and classes. It is not a programing language
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Re: Programming Languages
« Reply #84 on: January 18, 2011, 10:57:18 am »
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on January 18, 2011, 12:51:11 am
No variable, however.
That's where CSS comes in--it has variables (well, technically, they're not actually called variables, but really, that's kinda what they are).

If you look at HTML and CSS like this, it does kinda look like a programming language (note, the CSS comes from my livejournal's custom CSS, which was originally coded by milou veronica):
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.ljuser img {  width: 0; height: 0; background: transparent url(http://i39.tinypic.com/53vm3c.png) no-repeat 0 0;  padding: 10px 10px 0 2px !important;  vertical-align: baseline !important;}
...which can be read as a statement stating that .ljuser img has the value specified (the stuff in the curly-q brackets).
To utilize the above CSS, one would write the following in HTML (I'm using my livejournal name for this example):
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<lj user="holmes221b">The first part, 'lj user', identifies the CSS class that is required for this tag to work correctly. The second part, which is in quotation marks, indicates three things--the two links that will be outputted, as well as the text that will be used.
On my livejournal the HTML example would look something like holmes221b.

So, really, it's just a matter of perspective, isn't it?
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Re: Programming Languages
« Reply #85 on: January 18, 2011, 11:51:00 am »
Kinda. However the difference is this. HTML defines HOW to display things.
Programming languages however, allow the programmer to define a series of steps to take based on input. You cannot compile and run an HTML file. You also cannot provide input. The HTML isn't interpreted like TI-Basic. It is a markup language. Plain and simple.

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Re: Programming Languages
« Reply #86 on: January 18, 2011, 03:16:20 pm »
Quote from: ruler501 on January 18, 2011, 08:13:58 am
There are no variables, you can't write functions and classes. It is not a programing language

Yet again, not what it has or can do, but what it is. Brainfuck variables? XD
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Re: Programming Languages
« Reply #87 on: January 18, 2011, 03:50:44 pm »
Quote from: Binder News on January 18, 2011, 11:51:00 am
(Sorry if this is a little rude, but I just got a bunch of shots, a filling for a cavity, and a bunch of new bands for my braces. I also can't feel my tongue or cheek)
Ouch, I know exactly how that feels, so don't worry, no hard feelings. 'Sides, I was worried that I was starting to sound rude myself, actually.
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Re: Programming Languages
« Reply #88 on: January 18, 2011, 04:27:29 pm »
Ouch that sucks indeed. I think the posts are fine. Let's just remember that not everyone is as tech-savy as someone else, so we must not be mad at someone for saying HTML is a programming language by mistake. Everyone gotta start somewhere after all.
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Re: Programming Languages
« Reply #89 on: January 18, 2011, 04:53:36 pm »
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Erm, I forgot to mention other programming languages I know?
-Z80 Hex/Assembly-  Intermediate
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-All other                 D:
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