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Re: FastRPL, BBC BASIC Beta and revival of Casio/HP Tools download sections
« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2009, 02:58:15 pm »
At one point it was around 8.1 or 8.8KB, but burntfuse increased it.

And it's nice that there's an on-computer BBC BASIC file editor.  I'm going to check it out once I get on my other computer
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Re: FastRPL, BBC BASIC Beta and revival of Casio/HP Tools download sections
« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2009, 04:41:49 pm »
BBC BASIC is not immune from file size limitations; by default only 7936 bytes (&A100-&C000) are available to BBC BASIC. Typically BBC BASIC would use external storage to save files to and load them from (such a a floppy or tape drive). As the TI-83+ stores everything in RAM you could have two copies of a program in RAM at once; one in BBC BASIC's memory and the other in TI-OS memory (saved as a variable).

You can give BBC BASIC more memory by raising HIMEM with *HIMEM, but this eats into space available for saving files into. Ideally the BBC BASIC programs would be written externally (and I suppose it would be possible to write an editor that ran on the calculator outside BBC BASIC itself) then archive them; BBC BASIC can then load these files into its own RAM directly from the archive.

For a real-world figure, a TI-83+ with 24312 bytes free RAM can have 21389 given to BBC BASIC. This memory would be shared between the program code, variables (heap) and BASIC stack, but isn't too shabby. It's certainly more that some of the original BBC Micros had!

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Re: FastRPL, BBC BASIC Beta and revival of Casio/HP Tools download sections
« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2009, 06:34:43 pm »
Wow that is great ben I didn't know all that. I like the idea of a BBC BASIC computer editor. Maybe I should talk to Buckeye dude and see if I can get him to add something similar to his wabbitcode IDE.

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Re: FastRPL, BBC BASIC Beta and revival of Casio/HP Tools download sections
« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2009, 10:50:35 pm »
That would be interesting. =)

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Re: FastRPL, BBC BASIC Beta and revival of Casio/HP Tools download sections
« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2009, 06:45:11 am »
I just tried FastRPL...
Wow.
I've never seen anything as good on a calc before! It's great!
Maybe if I manage to translate the manual and tutorials in English, then it will replace MiageOS... ;P
The only bad thing is the size: on a normal 83+ it takes about half the ROM. :(
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Re: FastRPL, BBC BASIC Beta and revival of Casio/HP Tools download sections
« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2009, 02:51:56 pm »
my gripe with FastRPL is the syntax used for code, which is due to the fact it's RPN. I never really got able to understand anything about it. This is a reason why I'm relunctant about ever buying an HP calc. Imagine if even the on calc built in language is ridiculously hard to learn and code :P

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Re: FastRPL, BBC BASIC Beta and revival of Casio/HP Tools download sections
« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2009, 11:17:04 pm »
RPN still gives me issues from time to time, but I know a lot of people where it is just second nature growing up using the casios with rpn as well as the hp.
It is a stack basically so that is what you got to remember. So treat it like one.

Oh and I meant an MLC comp editor for buckeye's wabbitcode

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Re: FastRPL, BBC BASIC Beta and revival of Casio/HP Tools download sections
« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2009, 12:31:37 am »
I didn't knew there were Casios with RPN? The 4 ones I got so far ranges from 1985 to 2003 and none does RPN. I got FX-7000G/7700GE/9750G+/CFX-9850G

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Re: FastRPL, BBC BASIC Beta and revival of Casio/HP Tools download sections
« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2009, 09:46:00 pm »
I thought a guy in my cs class had one. Well it was a scientific calc...I think.

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Re: FastRPL, BBC BASIC Beta and revival of Casio/HP Tools download sections
« Reply #24 on: January 21, 2009, 09:51:23 pm »
oh, maybe it's just some scientific calcs then. I have one but it's not RPN.