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ClassPad 400 & HP Prime retail pricing in France
« on: June 21, 2013, 12:01:43 am »
TSP Promotion, one of the main online calculator dealer in France, has announced their pricing for both the Casio ClassPad 400 and HP Prime color screen calculator models.

Although this doesn't necessarily guarantee that the prices will be similar elsewhere in the world, the HP Prime, which is due to come out this Fall, is listed at 155.49€. The ClassPad 400, which is coming out in July (it was originally delayed for 2014), is listed at 175.00€.



In comparison, here are the regular prices (prior discounts) of other models (and their American equivalents in parentheses) there:

TI-76.fr (TI-73/83 hybrid): 47,00€
TI-82 STATS.fr (TI-83): 62,00€
TI-83 Plus.Fr (TI-83 Plus): 85,00€
TI-84 Pocket.Fr (TI-84 Plus): 113,50€
TI-84 Plus C Silver Edition: 119,00€
TI-89 Titanium: 165,00€
Voyage 200: 228,00€
TI-Nspire CX CAS: 161,00€
Casio Graph 35+ USB (FX-9750GII): 79,90 €
Casio Graph 75 (FX-9860GII): 100,00 €
Casio FX-cg20: 168,00€
Casio ClassPad 330: 179,00€
HP 39gII: 69,00€
HP 50g: 149,00€

This would make the ClassPad one of the most expensive calculator models in France. Keep in mind, however, that Casio calculators appears to be much more expensive in that country than in North America and that the HP Prime is supposed to be 400 MHz and features a BASIC language similar to the HP 39gII (which is very fast for games). This should, however, give you an idea of how much the two new calculator models might cost compared to others.

News & images sources on TI-Planet:
-http://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=12476 (HP Prime)
-http://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=12493 (ClassPad 400)
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Re: ClassPad 400 & HP Prime retail pricing in France
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2013, 10:54:28 am »
I found Fx-CG 20 for 130~135€ in many physical stores. 168€ is too much for this calculator.
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Re: ClassPad 400 & HP Prime retail pricing in France
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2013, 11:19:31 am »
The HP Prime's price does not look bad. If I remember correctly, it has some form of CAS software as well as very nice hardware, and it is priced lower than the Nspire CX CAS and TI-89 Titanium.

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Re: ClassPad 400 & HP Prime retail pricing in France
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2013, 01:51:16 pm »
THe cg20 is actually $135 on this store right now, but it's a discounted price, so I listed the regular price, in case it's just a rebate. It is really expensive, though, since in Quebec, you could buy a Graph 35+ (non-USB) for $24.75 and PRIZM for $129.99. TI calcs, however, are much more expensive over here (a TI-89 Titanium goes for $189 and a TI-83 Plus $123.) and we have no HP calc.

To be honest the CP400 is really overpriced (as is the original ClassPad), because from what I heard, their RAM, archive and processor speed are much lower than the HP Prime.
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Re: ClassPad 400 & HP Prime retail pricing in France
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2013, 02:08:40 pm »
I think the CP400 is even worse than the PRIZM but I might be wrong.

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Re: ClassPad 400 & HP Prime retail pricing in France
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2013, 02:47:59 pm »
ClassPad 400:
320x528 resolution
65,536 Colors
Four AAA-size alkaline batteries (LR03)
24 MB Flash
512 KB RAM
Unknown processor speed
Single-touch screen
CAS
Unknown support for non-BASIC programmability

PRIZM:
384x216 resolution
65,536 colors
Four AAA batteries
16 MB Flash
61 KB RAM
58 MHz processor (overclockable to 94.3)
No touchscreen ability
No CAS
Unnoficial ASM/C support (no Ndless needed, tho)

It seems better, although Casio historically sold their ClassPad series for very high price and they are not sold in retail stores for the most part, so they are incredibly rare, even on Ebay. I hope that their marketing will be better this time. I remember a few years ago when I bought serveral calc models, the ClassPad 330 ran from $189.99 to $399.99 on Ebay. O.O

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Re: ClassPad 400 & HP Prime retail pricing in France
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2013, 04:12:22 am »
Yeah just a little bit better.

Also the 83 like calcs are completely outdated. IMO here's a good scaling for calc prizes :
83+ : $50
84+SE : $70
84+CSE : $80-85
PRIZM : $90
Non CAS Nspire : $100
CAS Nspire : $120
HP Prime : $150
If they didn't drop the 68k series, the 89Ti should be in place of the CSE and the z80s should be one rank down.

Of course it's still a little expensive but at least the lower end models are cheaper and the Nspire isn't quite as expensive on this scale.

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Re: ClassPad 400 & HP Prime retail pricing in France
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2013, 04:17:01 am »
THe cg20 is actually $135 on this store right now, but it's a discounted price, so I listed the regular price, in case it's just a rebate.
http://www.boutique-calculatrice-casio.com/casio-graphiques-tarif-promo/10-casio-fx-cg20-4971850467410.html
Before, the price was 132€ and not 168€. This store lies about their promotion.
I have seen many stores where the price was 130-135€ and it was not a discounted price. I go to the FNAC afternoon, prices are still 10-15% higher than the regular price.
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Re: ClassPad 400 & HP Prime retail pricing in France
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2013, 04:24:59 am »
The Prime's price tag is in line with the CX's price tag, which was expected.
The complete outlier is the fx-CP400's insane price... its hardware characteristics are far below those of '2007 Nspire calcs, let alone '2011 Nspire CX calcs or '2013 Prime calcs ! Seriously, this calc should not be above $100-$110 / 100€-110€.

And all price tags are like thrice what they should be...
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Re: Re: ClassPad 400 & HP Prime retail pricing in France
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2013, 11:40:29 am »
Yeah some stores will sometimes mark items up before putting them on sales, especially grocery stores/supermarkets before food prices increase. For other stores, HMV did it when they started closing down or relocating stores (some items that were $15 were now $20 with a 10% off) and Zellers did it too when they were closing down and their leases were bought by Target. When everything was 80% off in some stores, the liquidation company brought in some stock that the store never sold to begin with, including a mattress that costed $1199.99 AFTER the 80% discount. Some items were actually marked down before the closing sale began, though.

Some stores have bad practices indeed so people who dont monitor prices often can be fooled easily. The sad thing is if a $199.99 item is marked down to $198.00, then some people will go nuts and buy it. Even moreso if they put a fake regular price of $249.99 besides it.

IMHO I would understand if a calc like the CP400 went for $140 at launch then slowly went down to $100 over the year, since in the software world, games and softwares often launch at higher prices until sales slow down, but there's no way we have to be charged so high just for hardware.

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Re: ClassPad 400 & HP Prime retail pricing in France
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2013, 01:27:07 pm »
Since Staples in Canada tends to set up the price standards for calcs here, here is the pricing of calcs over here right now, before rebates:

FX-9750GII: $59.99 (TI-82 equivalent)
FX-9860GII: $89.99 (TI-84 Plus equivalent)
FX-cg10: $129.99 (Casio PRIZM) (TI-84 Plus C Silver Edition equivalent)
ClassPad 400: $169.99 (much less than in France!) (Mangavox Odyssey equivalent)
TI-83 Plus: $124.96
TI-84 Plus: $142.83
TI-84 Plus C Silver Edition: $159.99
TI-89 Titanium: $179.92
TI-Nspire CX: $169.84
TI-Nspire CAS Touchpad: $179.92 (online exclusive)
TI-Nspire CAS CX: $199.99 (online exclusive)

If the proportion between HP and Casio prices is identical and the HP Prime ever makes it to Canada, then it should be around $150-160. Else I wouldn't be surprised if the price was identical to the higher end TI calcs. But again, sometimes Staples pricing structure makes absolutely no sense, because they used to offer the TI-Nspire Clickpad (with both keypads included) for cheaper than the real TI-84 Plus Silver Edition.



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Re: ClassPad 400 & HP Prime retail pricing in France
« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2013, 01:32:29 pm »
Their pricing structure is indeed questionable:
* the 84+CSE is barely cheaper than the fx-CP400 (and the whole TI-Z80 series is generally overpriced);
* the Nspire CAS Touchpad is more expensive than the non-CAS CX;
That said, at least, the fx-CP400 is cheaper than the more powerful Nspire series...
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Re: ClassPad 400 & HP Prime retail pricing in France
« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2013, 02:54:05 pm »
will the cp400 ever be available in the USA?



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Re: ClassPad 400 & HP Prime retail pricing in France
« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2013, 03:28:14 pm »
I hope it is, but so far it's not on the Staples site there. Also in Canada it seems to be an online exclusive too. The 84+CSE is now available offline here, but for $20 more than on Staples site.

Their pricing structure is indeed questionable:
* the 84+CSE is barely cheaper than the fx-CP400 (and the whole TI-Z80 series is generally overpriced);
* the Nspire CAS Touchpad is more expensive than the non-CAS CX;
That said, at least, the fx-CP400 is cheaper than the more powerful Nspire series...
One thing to keep in mind is that in Canada, TI charges way much more than in USA compared to Casio, despite both currency exchange rates almost being on-par. It isn't as bad as it used to be a few years ago when they charged $50 more over here, but it's still much more than Casio. The only Casio calc that is slightly more expensive in Canada seems to be the FX 9750GII. The FX-9750G+ was $24.75, though.

I'm unsure why TI is doing this, but, not to generalize, most people and companies from Texas tends to be extremely patriotic and often feel that their country is much better than anyone else's, especially Canada, so maybe they feel this is enough to jack prices up in the Canadian market.

EDIT: Future Shop pricing:

TI-83 Plus: $129.99
TI-84 Plus C Silver Edition: $149.99
TI-89 Titanium: $158.98
TI-Nspire CX: $164.99
HP 50g: $207.99!!!! O.O

I seriously hope that it's just Future Shop charging this much for an HP calc, not the standard for Canada, else this means the HP Prime will be around $210-230 here. O.O
http://www.futureshop.ca/fr-CA/product/hewlett-packard-calculatrice-graphique-de-hp-hwp-50gc-b12-hwp-50gc-b12/10164031.aspx?path=433d0c337694c06d3e67e1943584de2dfr02&SearchPageIndex=1

A Facebook comment says that the HP Prime MSRP is $149.99, though, and the HP Prime lacks some features that the older calcs had, such as SysRPL, and it's more aimed towards all students than just engineers, so this might explain why the HP 50g is expensive everywhere compared to the 39gII and such calcs.
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