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Re: Reflash your Nspire Boot2 without RS232!!!
« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2011, 05:00:26 pm »
So we have assumed in the above posts that the Boot1 on prototype Nspire ClickPad was rewriteable (which is a very good news if right, and a wonderfull hope for those owning such models currently limited to OSes 1.1/1.2 because of different RSA signing keys).

The only remaining question was if it was also possible on production Nspire ClickPad.

Here's the same Ndless program running simultaneously on a prototype (on the left) and on a production model, trying to get the NOR chip ID:



On the left it does pass. :)
On the right it does fail. :(

Which would mean if the test is correct, that TI added some software/hardware protection on production Nspire ClickPad models, preventing direct access to the NOR chip.


Wouldn't that mean that prototypes prices should raise on eBay soon? :P
« Last Edit: November 13, 2011, 05:09:38 pm by critor »
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Re: Reflash your Nspire Boot2 without RS232!!!
« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2011, 05:25:29 pm »
Interesting.
But could it not be that the non-prototype used a different type of nor, differently accessible than the prototype? It might be that its not protected, but that it works just different?

(But I don't know so much about this topic, so don't listen to me :p)

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Re: Reflash your Nspire Boot2 without RS232!!!
« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2011, 05:44:10 pm »
But could it not be that the non-prototype used a different type of nor, differently accessible than the prototype? It might be that its not protected, but that it works just different?

According to Datamath.org, the prototype and non-prototype basic ClickPad models are using the same NOR chip:
http://www.datamath.org/Graphing/JPEG_NSpire_P.htm#memory
http://www.datamath.org/Graphing/JPEG_NSpire.htm#memory
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Re: Reflash your Nspire Boot2 without RS232!!!
« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2011, 06:26:13 pm »
Can't be sure if this is related or not, but Excale spotted me the disappearance of R02D near the NOR chip between the prototype and production model:
http://www.datamath.org/Graphing/JPEG_NSpire_P.htm#memory
http://www.datamath.org/Graphing/JPEG_NSpire.htm#memory

If this is the reason, I don't think we can fix that :(
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Re: Reflash your Nspire Boot2 without RS232!!!
« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2011, 06:56:28 pm »
R02D is a resistor - should be able to solder that .......
Dont know the size of the resistance.
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Re: Reflash your Nspire Boot2 without RS232!!!
« Reply #20 on: November 13, 2011, 07:04:48 pm »
Same for R09D in the middle upper part
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Re: Reflash your Nspire Boot2 without RS232!!!
« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2011, 07:15:05 pm »
R02D is a resistor - should be able to solder that .......
Dont know the size of the resistance.

Yes we should be able to solder a resistor, but we have to solder it on *something*.

Just check: the circuit connected to the NOR chip pin is gone :(
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Re: Reflash your Nspire Boot2 without RS232!!!
« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2011, 12:28:07 am »
At any rate , if someone supplied the schematic diagram for that chip with all connecting components
it would not be worth the effort for most people to modify.
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Re: Reflash your Nspire Boot2 without RS232!!!
« Reply #23 on: November 14, 2011, 09:58:04 am »
Hmm, thats kinda sad :(

Edit:
That (removed) circuit line goes directly to a pic named NC (not connected). The closest other pin is WE# (write enable), so maybe its connected with this.
Another option is that that line isn't connected at all with the NOR chip, but just goes under it (there is another line coming out the other side that is perfectly aligned with it).

Anyway, there isn't really a way to any pins on the bottom of the NOR, as the SoC is just under it.
« Last Edit: November 14, 2011, 10:14:44 am by jimbauwens »