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Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.6 1st official capture: let's fight cheaters!
« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2013, 04:59:08 am »
Well, I don't agree with the 3.2.4 downgrade protection - but this has allready been addressed in my previous news, even if Persalteas did post it in my place.

This news was mainly about the 1st OS 3.6 capture, and I can't see why I would be unhappy with a CAS indicator on the home screen - it just doesn't bother me and I don't mind.


But if somebody else wants to news about this and prove us this is evil/bad, please do.
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Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.6 1st official capture: let's fight cheaters!
« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2013, 12:03:04 pm »
Wasn't Nlaunch released April Fools Day, though??
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Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.6 1st official capture: let's fight cheaters!
« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2013, 12:16:39 pm »
Nlaunch CX was launched April first, but the non-CX version was released before that. Nlaunch was not an April fools day prank, it was real.
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Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.6 1st official capture: let's fight cheaters!
« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2013, 12:53:42 pm »
Just like DJ_O said, I think it somehow is a good move. Making a CX a CX CAS just doesn't seem quite right to me without paying for it anyway...
I don't know how you feel about it but paying €150 for a calc doesn't sound right to me when you see things like a Raspberry Pi that is infinitely more powerful and yet only costs $35. ;)

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Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.6 1st official capture: let's fight cheaters!
« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2013, 01:22:24 pm »
Just like DJ_O said, I think it somehow is a good move. Making a CX a CX CAS just doesn't seem quite right to me without paying for it anyway...
I don't know how you feel about it but paying €150 for a calc doesn't sound right to me when you see things like a Raspberry Pi that is infinitely more powerful and yet only costs $35. ;)
Yeah, but when buying a calculator, you don't only buy the hardware, you also buy all the work that engineers put to prevent you from doing what you want on your calc. So yeah, a Raspberry Pi is an even better choice seen from that point of vue... but it is not allowed in any exam so you actually have to pay a lot to get that overpriced calculator.
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Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.6 1st official capture: let's fight cheaters!
« Reply #20 on: June 21, 2013, 01:24:24 pm »
LOL
Also Linux is about 20% more awesome than the Nspire and it's totally free. :D
Plus TI are lazy guys since they reused the whole CAS engine from the 68k series. So you effectively only pay for crap HW and lockdowns. :P
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Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.6 1st official capture: let's fight cheaters!
« Reply #21 on: June 21, 2013, 02:06:38 pm »
Just like DJ_O said, I think it somehow is a good move. Making a CX a CX CAS just doesn't seem quite right to me without paying for it anyway...
I don't know how you feel about it but paying €150 for a calc doesn't sound right to me when you see things like a Raspberry Pi that is infinitely more powerful and yet only costs $35. ;)
Indeed, although we can't use a Rasberri Pi as calculator in math exams here :P
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Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.6 1st official capture: let's fight cheaters!
« Reply #22 on: June 21, 2013, 02:10:32 pm »
Also Linux is about 20% more awesome than the Nspire and it's totally free. :D
They don't have the same goals at all, so you can't compare.

Plus TI are lazy guys since they reused the whole CAS engine from the 68k series.
I'm sorry, but I see you are using your Omnimaga account over and over again to post messages. Shouldn't you be creating a new one for each post ? What a lazy behaviour.
Being a little more serious, let me remind you that TI bought the original CAS engine company ("Derive" IIRC) and started making it evolve over time, using it on the 68k then the Nspires. Obviously they were not going to reinvent the wheel, that'd just be stupid. Something we can be annoyed by, however, is the presence of some bugs that weren't there before (but at least there are also some new features too)

So you effectively only pay for crap HW and lockdowns. :P
But as far as I can see you own some TI calcs (and even an Nspire). If you dislike the HW and SW as you say, you should donate it to people who actually need to use the calc for what it can provide.



In short, I find your post quite useless and it looks like you are simply copying other people's ideas without any added value ...




Now, to be more on-topic : 3.6 needs to have 3.2.4 first, as said, probably for the boot2 upgrade (which can still be prevented by tnoc, but then who knows how 3.6 will react), and well, in fact TI has a public page hosting 3.2.4, even though no other pages link to it, TI-Cares can give you the link (it's actually not very difficult to guess, they had already used this kind of url before). It's probably not useful at all anyway, since we (TI-Planet) have already done the testings (tnoc, boot2 extraction + log...)
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Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.6 1st official capture: let's fight cheaters!
« Reply #23 on: June 21, 2013, 02:11:38 pm »
@DJ : I know but we're hackers and the RPi is the new beginner's toy. Children code on it while you don't get a calc before being like 14 or so. I'm talking about programming wise advantages.

@Adriweb : I was just kidding. I hate TI for what they're doing to us but we fight back. Also I did not choose to get any of my TI calcs excpet for the Nspire.
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Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.6 1st official capture: let's fight cheaters!
« Reply #24 on: June 21, 2013, 02:16:37 pm »
But that doesn't make the things less true...

BTW I edited the "CAS" parts a bit to explain
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Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.6 1st official capture: let's fight cheaters!
« Reply #25 on: June 21, 2013, 02:21:24 pm »
Something we can be annoyed by, however, is the presence of some bugs that weren't there before
Bugs that weren't there before and also 18 years old bugs. :P

Plus TI are lazy guys since they reused the whole CAS engine from the 68k series.
I'm sorry, but I see you are using your Omnimaga account over and over again to post messages.
And maybe I'll get a new calc every time I do 2+2. That's probably a good idea.
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Also what's happening with z80 calcs shows that a bit of openness is the way to go : now that TI dropped support for anything older than the CSE, people are fixing bugs and expanding these calculators. Not only with games, they also expand on the primary function of what's meant to be a calculator. ;)
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Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.6 1st official capture: let's fight cheaters!
« Reply #26 on: June 21, 2013, 02:35:17 pm »
Yeah I can easily understand why people would hate TI after everything they did. Of course, they have some reasons to do it, but they could try to find other ways to do it, such as having teachers monitor calcs more and making it easier for them (the CAS writing on the Home menu is a good move). I think that if they tried to find a way to permanently make sure that Ndless won't easily allow disabling cheating measures, but still allowed Ndless to a certain extent, then the community would be fine with them. After all, everytime cheating tools are posted here, staff lock the topics then delete the programs, and that happens on pretty much every active calculator programming site. I mean, new fake reset programs aren't even allowed anymore on ticalc.org. People here hate when people cheat and will try in every way possible to prevent them from doing so. Of course, there are still warez sites, but when people google for calc tools they usually run into big sites such as Omni, ticalc, Cemetech or TI-Planet.

The other issue is that TI calculators other than the TI-76.Fr are overpriced. Normally the TI-84 Plus Silver Edition should be $89.99 (which is what the FX-9860G costs) and CSE around $99.99. The TI-Nspire is more powerful, hardware-wise, but it should be $139.99 at most. TI isn't really making us pay for the software, because the TI-84 Plus C Silver Edition barely adds anything new other than colors, background images and the larger screen.

Also Adriweb I think it's wrong to question Streetwalker's posting quality and treat him like if he was a n00b who contributes nothing to the community:
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In short, I find your post quite useless and it look like you are simply be copying other people's ideas without any added value ...
So if you notice a downrate on your post, this time it is probably me. I know that the other parts were sarcastic, but I couldn't see any sarcasm in this one. He has contributed quite a bit in the past here, even if his signal-to-noise ratio isn't among the best (he did troll or flood before, but that is nothing compared to certain other members when they originally joined the forums), and he is simply stating his opinion and if we can't joke anymore on Omni then it will get boring fast.
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Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.6 1st official capture: let's fight cheaters!
« Reply #27 on: June 21, 2013, 04:12:22 pm »
DJ_O : There's a big difference between :
question Streetwalker's posting quality and treat him like if he was a n00b who contributes nothing to the community
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In short, I find your post quite useless and it look like you are simply be copying other people's ideas without any added value ...

Not only did I say "post" and not "posts" since I was only refering to one post of his and not in general, and like him, I guess I have the right to express my opinion (about his, there.) ?
And I even threw some sarcasm about recreating accounts. if we can't joke anymore on Omni then it will get boring fast

I couldn't see any sarcasm in this one.  He has contributed quite a bit in the past here, even if his signal-to-noise ratio isn't among the best (he did troll or flood before, but that is nothing compared to certain other members when they originally joined the forums)
Well, sometimes, the truth can hurt. But after all, it was nothing more than my thought about this specific post. i wasn't even talking about any of his other posts. My post did not depend on the author of the post I was criticizing, it could have been anyone.



Anyway, let's not spend any more seconds on this, it's a waste of time (that we don't have enough for creating useful things...)...

And I don't like bumping threads with non-topic things........






EDIT about next post by Streewalker : "I do agree with you DJ. Freedom of speech is pretty important to me and I hate when it's taken away from anypony."
This is the kind of things that irritate me. For me, this is just a sign of not being mature. Mixing a "freedom of speech" importance sentence with an "anypony" at the end. Seriously. I don't even find a smiley for this.
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Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.6 1st official capture: let's fight cheaters!
« Reply #28 on: June 21, 2013, 04:16:24 pm »
I do agree with you DJ. Freedom of speech is pretty important to me and I hate when it's taken away from anypony.
I don't know why you got two downvotes but you got one upvote from me.
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Re: TI-Nspire OS 3.6 1st official capture: let's fight cheaters!
« Reply #29 on: June 21, 2013, 05:27:17 pm »
Well Adriweb the 2nd part of your sentence was misworded, then. It seems to imply that every single post ever made by Streetwalker on Omni since he joined are useless and have nothing of value. You should probably have said:
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In short, I find your post quite useless and in it it look like you are simply be copying other people's ideas without any added value ...


As for the sarcasm I did notice it. Hence why I didn't complain about the sentences involved. My previous post also state that I did notice sarcasm in certain of your sentences.


As for the anypony thing I agree that there are some people here who are a bit obsessed with My Little Pony and brings it up at places where it is unnecessary, but I think at this point you should maybe lay out from Streetwalker, because it made me skeptical about the veracity of the following statement:
My post did not depend on the author of the post I was criticizing
Else you would have criticised pimathbrainiac, Sorunome, Augs and Blue_bear_94 many times before too.


Regarding free speech, free speech doesn't exist on any calculator forum because they are not ran by government. Each admin run the site as they see fit. For example:

-On Omnimaga and Cemetech, insulting members is frowned upon (although on Cemetech veterans can insult you if you are stubborn and don't learn from mistakes)
-On TI-Planet, you are not allowed to mention TI-BANK
-On ticalc.org, during arguments, I sometimes saw comments being deleted by one or more staff who didn't like the poster.
-We can't upload Fake Reset nor PTTKiller-type programs almost anywhere.

However, there is still a certain form of freedom. For example politely reprimanding someone with the truth (which can hurt, yes) is allowed, but outright libel and harrassment are not.

Also I think it's wrong to dislike someone only because he dislikes TI. I know that you are affiliated with TI, but if someone bashes TI here it doesn't necessarily make them better or worse persons. Same if they like MLP.
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