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Re: Wikipedia and the Keys
« Reply #15 on: April 03, 2010, 10:03:31 pm »
Oh, the reason why I didn't want the keys on Omnimaga is because TI may send the DMCA notice to 1and1 web hosting provider instead of myself, and who knows what 1and1 will do with Omnimaga website? Technically, I could post the keys in the download section, fight the DMCA with the help of the EFF like other people did so far, wait for TI countering that would never happen, then by EFF standards, I could reput the keys back online and be within my rights. But the issue is that if TI sent the notice to 1and1, 1and1 might misinterpret it as a violation of their TOS, then delete the entire Omnimaga website, while if I received the DMCA notice myself, I would simply have to take down the keys, fight, then I win. I just dont want to go through the process of having to fight against both 1and1 and TI instead of just TI.

Also, Meishe91, BrandonW was within his rights for posting the keys. He did not violate any copyright laws. TI DMCA wasn't even appropriate to begin with. Hence why everyone who hosted the keys won and could put them back up. TI received a warning to stop sending notices. However, they still continued sending notices to new people who post the keys online, just not those who alerady won. Basically TI could send a notice to Wikipedia, Wikipedia could fight it the way BrandonW and other #tcpa users did then Epic Win.

In other words, putting the keys on Wikipedia or anywhere else is legal. Re-using TI source code in your own software (like an OS) is not, though.
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Re: Wikipedia and the Keys
« Reply #16 on: April 03, 2010, 10:12:01 pm »
Oh, ya, I know. That is what I was saying wasn't wrong. I was just saying the Wikipedia thing sounded like what you just described with why Omnimaga, they just might not want more trouble than they need. About BrandonW, I just said that because I wasn't sure if it was even him. But I know he was. I wasn't saying anything was wrong with any of it, just saying that Wikipedia might just have their own reasons for not posting the keys is all :)
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Re: Wikipedia and the Keys
« Reply #17 on: April 03, 2010, 11:44:34 pm »
They may not be well aware of everything the TI community did to fight. Maybe they are afraid we might also still get in trouble for posting the keys and won't take a chance. They most likely just need to get updated or be knocked some sense into their head about how what TI did is wrong.
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Re: Wikipedia and the Keys
« Reply #18 on: April 03, 2010, 11:49:02 pm »
They may not be well aware of everything the TI community did to fight. Maybe they are afraid we might also still get in trouble for posting the keys and won't take a chance. They most likely just need to get updated or be knocked some sense into their head about how what TI did is wrong.

I'm doing my best talking to their lawyers to tell them exactly how much work we did, how utterly outside the law TI is operating, and trying to "knock some sense" into them as well.  It is very frustrating, though, as it appears to not be working.  I'm trying to get an appeal with the Wikipedia Board of Trustees.

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Re: Wikipedia and the Keys
« Reply #19 on: April 03, 2010, 11:57:13 pm »
Wikipedia adopts a strict stance against censorship. Unless this is a violation of licensing, (probably the case) then I can't imagine why the keys would be removed.

I'm not privy to all the details, but I'm guessing employees of Texas Instruments are probably monitoring these articles and attempting to pose as normal Wikipedians. This is something that occurs very frequently with a number of companies, political parties, religious organizations, and so forth. None of them want to be defamed or have certain secrets / materials leaked through Wikipedia.

The best way to go about this is to submit the keys to WikiLeaks, which is a Wiki designated solely for anonymous publishing of leaked information. You can then link to the WikiLeaks page which contains the keys in relative Wikipedia articles. :)
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Re: Wikipedia and the Keys
« Reply #20 on: April 03, 2010, 11:58:37 pm »
I would like to direct your attention to the talk page.  All of these have been discussed.  TI hit Wikipedia with a DCMA letter, too, and they got scared.  It is being moderated by respected users that I am sure have nothing to do with TI :(

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Re: Wikipedia and the Keys
« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2010, 12:04:07 am »
Are the keys currently hosted on WikiLeaks?

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Re: Wikipedia and the Keys
« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2010, 12:07:16 am »
If I recall correctly, they were, last time I checked. I don't know if they are still there, though. I know Wikileaks got a DMCA notice, then after fighting it, TI didn't respond, and Wikileaks could put the keys back up. It was posted on Reddit or something like that too, but idk if they're still there.
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Re: Wikipedia and the Keys
« Reply #23 on: April 04, 2010, 12:13:28 am »
They are still on Brandon Wilson's blog if you need them.

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Re: Wikipedia and the Keys
« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2010, 11:22:18 am »
Update:

I have been emailing back and forth with the Wikimedia lawyer who has authority over the article, and he claims to not have the authority the article attributes to him.  I have asked him to direct me to the person who has that authority.

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Re: Wikipedia and the Keys
« Reply #25 on: April 04, 2010, 02:42:47 pm »
X.x weird, I hope the other person will not say the same thing... stupid bureaucracy sometimes...
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Re: Wikipedia and the Keys
« Reply #26 on: April 04, 2010, 03:31:50 pm »
Wikipedia is a valuable information resource, but its editors and administration are all human. People are fallible, and so is Wikipedia. It's a good idea not to take any of the edit-wars seriously. If other people want to waste their time bickering over POV and semantics, then let them. There are more important things to live for.

As long as the keys are up on WikiLeaks, (or other servers) I think that should suffice. They really can't do anything about the content hosted there. WikiLeaks has been pressured by much larger figures, and none of them have been successful in censoring them; although, some have succeeded in illegally DDoS'ing the site and causing downtime. :P

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Re: Wikipedia and the Keys
« Reply #27 on: April 04, 2010, 03:39:55 pm »
Wikipedia is a valuable information resource, but its editors and administration are all human. People are fallible, and so is Wikipedia. It's a good idea not to take any of the edit-wars seriously. If other people want to waste their time bickering over POV and semantics, then let them. There are more important things to live for.

As long as the keys are up on WikiLeaks, (or other servers) I think that should suffice. They really can't do anything about the content hosted there. WikiLeaks has been pressured by much larger figures, and none of them have been successful in censoring them; although, some have succeeded in illegally DDoS'ing the site and causing downtime. :P

I agree. As long as they are up somewhere what is the big deal, ya know?
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Re: Wikipedia and the Keys
« Reply #28 on: April 05, 2010, 03:06:39 am »
Agreed.
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