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Re: OSLauncher 3.1
« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2012, 02:53:01 am »
The "Can't open OS" message is triggered iff the file does not have the appropriate name - namely, ndless/phoenix.raw.zip.tns.

Also, it's not the problem here, but before sending the file to your calc, have you checked whether the output of unspire is a valid ZIP file ?
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Re: OSLauncher 3.1
« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2012, 03:10:57 am »
Wow great timing compu as there were discussions about os3.2 and sticking to OS 2.1 because of OSLauncher.
Personally I'd use OSLauncher for different non-cas versions because I have IB exams (don't want to cheat :P), but it sounds pretty cool to be able to have the option of switching from Cas to Non-cas OSes.
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Re: OSLauncher 3.1
« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2012, 11:58:21 am »
I really don't think that releasing this was a good idea. Maybe it would have taken years, but TI could eventually have changed their mind after they see we don't do anything against their interest. Now they'll think they can't trust us.
Moreover, it is a matter of days before Ndless is blocked so I really don't get the point of releasing it now ???
One thing you coould have done is a video of it working, but with no release, to tell TI "I don't harm your interest while I could". But I guess it is too late

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Re: OSLauncher 3.1
« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2012, 12:09:43 pm »
I don't think that TI can change their mind.
We are a tiny part of all the Nspire users, and they just care about teachers.

In my opinion, they don't trust us because they think that it could "hurt" them more than it could help them...

(BTW, downrates don't exist anymore :) )

So, thank you compu for allowing us to use the CAS on non-CAS nspires !
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Re: OSLauncher 3.1
« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2012, 12:22:22 pm »
+1 Chockosta.

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I really don't think that releasing this was a good idea.
I disagree ;)

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Maybe it would have taken years, but TI could eventually have changed their mind after they see we don't do anything against their interest.
AFAWCT, TI would in no way have changed their mind ;)
OSLauncher for Ndless / OS 3.1 could have been published before TI clearly indicated that they would prevent the hole exploited by Ndless 3.1 from working in OS 3.2. It wasn't published, not least because we knew that TI would not like it. And, did us being overly nice prevent TI from trying to tamper with our freedom to tinker ? Not in the slightest way.
And if TI thinks OSLauncher is dangerous, well, they're incompetent (oh wait, we already knew that): OSLauncher is pretty harmless, as it's easily disabled.

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Now they'll think they can't trust us.
It seems very clear that Melendy Lovett has never thought TI could trust anyone in the open development community.
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Re: OSLauncher 3.1
« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2012, 01:35:53 pm »
Moreover, it is a matter of days before Ndless is blocked so I really don't get the point of releasing it now ???
Well, I won't update to OS 3.2 untill there will (maybe) be a new ndless version; The use of Ndless is much higher than the use of Lua and I don't want to be limited by TI.

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Re: OSLauncher 3.1
« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2012, 02:18:05 pm »
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Now they'll think they can't trust us.
It seems very clear that Melendy Lovett has never thought TI could trust anyone in the open development community.

Well, she trusts the community to also produce contents with the official tools they give, which has been greatly improved with Lua ;)

But of course, Ndless things and Lua things don't have the same goal.
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Re: OSLauncher 3.1
« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2012, 04:32:11 pm »
(BTW, downrates don't exist anymore :) )
Yes, I saw that right after posting. But what will happen to people with a negative respect ?

And, did us being overly nice prevent TI from trying to tamper with our freedom to tinker ? Not in the slightest way.
I can't remember the exact phrase but it might be something like "the world wasn't created in one day" (or maybe it is Rome, idk :P)
I mean that OS Launcher already existed for previous versions of Ndless. Then, 3.1 came and we were "nice" only during a few months. Do you think that they will change their way of seeing us in only a few months ? I think that if we only released games on 4 or 5 consecutive versions of Ndless, they would start changing their mind.

Well, she trusts the community to also produce contents with the official tools they give, which has been greatly improved with Lua ;)
Yes, Lua has improved a lot, but I'll only give Ndless up when all games (and I didn't say "all programs") from Ndless run with Lua ;)
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Re: OSLauncher 3.1
« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2012, 04:43:18 pm »
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produce contents with the official tools they give, which has been greatly improved with Lua ;)
Well... before Lua, without Ndless, the Nspire's abilities were so low that anything is a major improvement over the sorry state of the Nspire before the spring of 2011 ;)
And a number of concepts in the Nspire were implemented by third parties, on the TI-68k series, up to 10-12 years before: formatted texts containing images are one of them.

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I think that if we only released games on 4 or 5 consecutive versions of Ndless, they would start changing their mind.
Er... they care only about teachers, and the vast majority of teachers hates games, so making games is definitely not the way to make TI change their mind about our freedom to tinker ;)
Math programs, like we did on the open TI-68k series, might be more convincing for TI... but that's too hard without TI's help, which they refuse to provide.

But anyway, we don't care one bit about what TI wants :)


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Yes, Lua has improved a lot, but I'll only give Ndless up when all games (and I didn't say "all programs") from Ndless run with Lua ;)
That is to say, never :D
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Re: OSLauncher 3.1
« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2012, 06:04:29 pm »
Why are there no downrates?

I didn't mean to get pissed off about my negative respect, if that is the reason for no more downrates.

Also, oslauncher created the pheonix.zip.raw file. I sent  it to my nspire, and it says can't open os. I have an nspire with touchpad (I don't necessarily like the clickpad). Is this the reason why?

EDIT:
Never mind, I found out why it wasn't working. it wasn't in the ndless folder. But, it always freezes at the clock screen. I've clicked, press menu and open, press ctrl+O, and it still freezes. I've tried os 2.1, 2.0, and it always freezes. Note: I am trying to launch a cas os. maybe this is why it does this?

ANOTHER EDIT:
No os I have tried so far works. Even non-cas os.
I feel sorry for myself that all os freeze at the clock screen. Everybody else is getting oslauncher working, why can't I? Maybe it's because I have 50% battery life left, or maybe oslauncher is messed up, or I forgot to noverclock my nspire?

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Re: OSLauncher 3.1
« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2012, 08:06:21 pm »
Have a break, have a kitkat
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Re: OSLauncher 3.1
« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2012, 08:22:24 pm »
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your "O" is a little off, but that looks awesome :D
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Re: OSLauncher 3.1
« Reply #27 on: March 13, 2012, 10:44:27 pm »
Spamm.... :P

This is interesting - my friend was peskering me for such a thing recently... :P He has a CX but wants a CAS CX OS hot launched with Ndless. I told him that it exists, but he needs to learn C/ASM and read ARM docs to port it. ;)

I'm still a bit confused - people have reported that it works, and then it doesn't work. What's the current status?
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Re: OSLauncher 3.1
« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2012, 01:48:35 am »
ANOTHER EDIT:
No os I have tried so far works. Even non-cas os.
I feel sorry for myself that all os freeze at the clock screen. Everybody else is getting oslauncher working, why can't I? Maybe it's because I have 50% battery life left, or maybe oslauncher is messed up, or I forgot to noverclock my nspire?

As allready reported in the previous page, the hot-launched OS is going to freeze at the clock screen with a probability of 95%.

So it's perfectly normal.
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Re: OSLauncher 3.1
« Reply #29 on: March 14, 2012, 01:53:33 am »
Why are there no downrates?

I didn't mean to get pissed off about my negative respect, if that is the reason for no more downrates.



@njaddison, it's because the managers made some changes to the website a few days ago.
The ability to downrate has now been removed.
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