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Re: zStart - an app that runs on ram clears
« Reply #1185 on: May 03, 2014, 11:55:04 am »
Mathprint is the devil too. Kill it. :P
Nah just kidding, but mathprint is too buggy and incompatible with everything. Also, turning it off doesn't keep it from being incompatible, it just reduces the chances to hit a bug.

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Re: zStart - an app that runs on ram clears
« Reply #1186 on: May 04, 2014, 09:39:35 am »
nah, just practice doing math on the calc without mathprint, it's not so bad :)
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Re: zStart - an app that runs on ram clears
« Reply #1187 on: May 04, 2014, 10:25:36 am »
That's what I'm doing since the first calc I had. :P I found mp nice on my 84+ but 83+ owners were actually complaining it was weird. Then I found out about Zstart and disabled it for good. Shortly after I downgraded to OS 2.43. Now I use 1.19 because my main calc is an 83+SE.

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Re: zStart - an app that runs on ram clears
« Reply #1188 on: May 04, 2014, 01:07:51 pm »
another main reason for me to use 2.43 is that omnicalc, symbolic and prettyprint are the most stable on that os, and i really like these apps as they replace mathprint perfectly and they add a lot of nice functions
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Re: zStart - an app that runs on ram clears
« Reply #1189 on: May 04, 2014, 02:12:53 pm »
I don't have Prettyprint and use Symbolic rarely (it's on my calc anyway) but I do use Omnicalc every day.

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Re: zStart - an app that runs on ram clears
« Reply #1190 on: May 17, 2014, 12:28:29 pm »
I don't know if you're aware of this but on both the small font editor and normal versions, opening the editor, switching to Omnicalc's vcalc and going back crashes instantly.

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Re: zStart - an app that runs on ram clears
« Reply #1191 on: May 17, 2014, 12:50:03 pm »
I don't know if you're aware of this but on both the small font editor and normal versions, opening the editor, switching to Omnicalc's vcalc and going back crashes instantly.

I'd suspect that this could be due to zStart not knowing about the virtual calculator and only having one copy of its off-page data, thus causing a state conflict when switching between the two virtual calculators. To fix this, explicit support for the virtual calculator would have to be added, which might be infeasible.

Or, it could be due to virtual calculator and zStart vying for the same extra RAM storage space. This could potentially be fixed by zStart's extra storage being relocated, but I'm not sure there are any other better spaces for it.

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Re: zStart - an app that runs on ram clears
« Reply #1192 on: May 17, 2014, 12:52:38 pm »
Well, ZStart's extra RAM storage can't be moved to another RAM page as there's only one extra page available on post 2007 84+'s. However, modifying Omnicalc to change the pages it uses is feasible, it's just a matter of using some find/replace and reassembling the app. More investigation needs to be done on that matter.

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Re: zStart - an app that runs on ram clears
« Reply #1193 on: May 17, 2014, 04:08:05 pm »
Well, ZStart's extra RAM storage can't be moved to another RAM page as there's only one extra page available on post 2007 84+'s.
Yes, there's only one page, but attempting to select any page between 82 and 87 gives the same one page. So he could just change the number he outputs.
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Re: zStart - an app that runs on ram clears
« Reply #1194 on: May 18, 2014, 12:07:33 am »
Well, ZStart's extra RAM storage can't be moved to another RAM page as there's only one extra page available on post 2007 84+'s. However, modifying Omnicalc to change the pages it uses is feasible, it's just a matter of using some find/replace and reassembling the app. More investigation needs to be done on that matter.

Virtual calc doesn't even work on the newer calculators with only 48KB of RAM.

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Re: zStart - an app that runs on ram clears
« Reply #1195 on: May 18, 2014, 01:26:31 am »
Yes but Zstart does, I was talking about not breaking Zstart's compatibility.

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Re: zStart - an app that runs on ram clears
« Reply #1196 on: May 18, 2014, 11:25:03 am »
Yes but Zstart does, I was talking about not breaking Zstart's compatibility.

Ah okay, in which case, see DrDnar's post. :P

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Re: zStart - an app that runs on ram clears
« Reply #1197 on: May 18, 2014, 11:26:38 am »
OK I'll try that and submit the change to TheP if it works.

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Re: zStart - an app that runs on ram clears
« Reply #1198 on: May 29, 2014, 03:06:36 am »
I just thought of something. In languages apps, the only useful thing is the Characters menu. So would it be possible to have this in zStart ?
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Re: zStart - an app that runs on ram clears
« Reply #1199 on: May 29, 2014, 04:20:23 am »
Indeed, I used this a lot when I had the French translation installed. Which I now trashed because it's annoying.