haveacalc: You're taking a lot of chance yourself my friend, by believing in Christianity, when there are thousands of other religions that are exactly as likely to be true. Great for you that you've had so much convincing evidence, but many of us haven't had any, and I doubt CDI is about to take your word for it. No offense, but we don't need any missionaries here.
CDI, somehow the thought of no afterlife seems conforting to you, but you have to realize that that is it. There's no changing your mind. If you discover your life still sucks several years down the road, then you may rethink the decision any time you want. But if you decide to kill yourself now, you will never know. Sure, it's a release from pain- but there is potential in everyone's life. You're a kid. You have college ahead of you, maybe even marriage (to the gender or lifeform of choice ) and kids ahead. To conclude that life sucks based on such a small portion of it is foolish. BELIEV ME, I understand how you feel, in fact the same thoughts crossed my mind when I was your age. Life gets better, I know this for a fact. It has ups and downs, but you can't conclude that the world has no mountains simply because you're stuck in a ditch.

I agree with the both of you, but say, you're travling and you get stuck in a ditch for 5 years, would you give up?

f*** no man!! (offtopic\ Agree w/ haveacalc & spengo)

Don't give up, although it might seem good now, you (would) regreat it if you could.  As close as I can come to your situation is the weight room.  Giving up is MOST DEFINATLY easier, and it does take the pain away, but it doesn't get you anywhere.  This summer, for all intensive purposes, I gave up.  I skrewed around, and didn't lift enough.  I see now that I was wrong to do so.  The reward for lifting is SOOOO much better then the one for giving up, which is nothing.  Stick in there, you get out of the ditch.

I wouldnt give up, it will get better, you just dont believe in yourself  

Anyways please dont do it  

In my personal experience, there is nothing like talking with others about the problem to get it off of your mind. For many years i've suffered from the same "problem" (loving others more than myself). It has taken a while, but I have found this to be more of a gift than a problem.  I'm always willing to listen if you need someone to comfort you and offer advice. If you need to contact me, email is [email protected], skype is Telroth, and IRC is irc://irc.dragon-fire.org/#lobby (you'll find me under the nick of Telroth or a varient of it)

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I agree with the both of you, but say, you're travling and you get stuck in a ditch for 5 years, would you give up?

Fred,

When I was younger one of my best friends did commit suicide, you will hurt more people by doing this then you would possibly imagine. I'm not going to pretend that I know all of the circumstances from your background, I'd be a fool to try. What I can tell you is there are other people who have it worse off then you but thats not what you want to hear right now. Another thing I'm not going to do right now is tell you about my bad experiences with stupid girls, yes some of them are down right cruel, but thats for another day. The problem here is you cannot make someone love you no matter how deeply attracted you are to them, and most girls will run if you're too forward about your feelings with them, they see it as a sign of desperation which is very unattractive.

Humans are interesting, for being the self-proclaimed most intelligent species on this planet, we are also the most savage, which reminds me of George Carlins latest cd, listen to it, maybe you'll laugh a little and lighten up. If you're into the satrical Maddox style humor, perhaps this page can help? http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=manly_suicide

The truth is most people don't have a clue what they want from life, and even more don't know who they are. These are things that some people figure out in their twenties, some more later on, but many never do.

If you think you're in a real rut, then you can't judge another until you've walked in his shoes, and once you have you'll have a new found respect for that person, realizing yours aren't half as bad as you thought.

If you want my honest opinion about suicide, then I'll tell you flat out it is the most selfish act anyone could ever do. You blatently leave your problems behind while inflicting severe emotional trauma on anyone who loved or cared for you family, friends, and even neighbors, the closer the person the greater the damage. Not only that but you also leave a mess for someone to clean up after yourself, is that how you really want the person who finds you dead to remember you for the rest of their life? Maybe I don't know you as well as some of the other guys here, but I believe you are a better person then those who have fallen down the path of suicide.

The purpose of life is to have joy, the purpose of pain is to learn a greater understanding and appreciation of joy. If all you ever tasted was sweet you would not appreciate it or understand it as if you had also tasted something bitter. So my advice to you, is to just eat the bitter now you'll get past it, and things will get better, they'll get sweet again. The best part is when they do, when it gets better, then things, they'll be better then you ever imagined they could be in the first place.

I've seen death, I've seen other people die, maybe I've been around a few more years, maybe not, but I tell you now that is the last place I want to be.

--Jon

Hello, CDI.

I have a request for you. Could you open up your email inbox and read what's inside? Thanks.

We'll talk again shortly.

?Weregoose