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Re: More Casio Prizm information
« Reply #105 on: November 23, 2010, 03:01:13 am »
I could ban you so you cannot access it anymore. ;D J/k I wouldn,t do that lol (unless you screwed up extremly bad :P). I generally just post less when I feel like taking a break but I usually end up still posting like crazy at one point during the night. :P

I really hope add-ons can be written to support more colors in BASIC or that an Axe-style language is written for those who want to code on-calc with something close to BASIC.

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Re: More Casio Prizm information
« Reply #106 on: November 23, 2010, 03:11:26 am »
I could ban you so you cannot access it anymore. ;D J/k I wouldn,t do that lol (unless you screwed up extremly bad :P).

Don't look in the Randomness section ;)

But more seriously, I'm already planning a few projects for the Prizm. I won't say more than that.

EDIT: DJ, I think there needs to be a sub-forum for the Prizm when it comes out. There are already two major threads on it here and you linked the User's guide in your 10 Million requests post. If nothing else, Omnimaga can help to launch the Casio community.
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Re: More Casio Prizm information
« Reply #107 on: November 23, 2010, 03:46:10 am »
Yeah when it comes out I might try programming it. I'll probably practice on my 9860G too.

And yeah I may eventually start Casio sections in the help section to not clutter the TI sections. If we get some Prizm projects, I might modify the Omni banner to add a pic of the calc in it too.

I could ban you so you cannot access it anymore. ;D J/k I wouldn,t do that lol (unless you screwed up extremly bad :P).

Don't look in the Randomness section ;)

But more seriously, I'm already planning a few projects for the Prizm. I won't say more than that.

EDIT: DJ, I think there needs to be a sub-forum for the Prizm when it comes out. There are already two major threads on it here and you linked the User's guide in your 10 Million requests post. If nothing else, Omnimaga can help to launch the Casio community.
I actually meant if you started being rude to everyone or trolling and spammed outside randomness/intro, which I doubt you would do, though. :P
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Re: More Casio Prizm information
« Reply #108 on: November 23, 2010, 03:54:05 am »
I try not to spam. I'm a senior member of another forum where spam and new members are real problems. By new members being a problem, I mean members who don't bother to use the search function for the forum and end up posting a thread about a topic that's been posted over a thousand times before (there are such topics). There are few things as tiring on the Internet as seeing spam for the thousandth time, so I get all of my trolling out on more appropriate sites.

Rude, on the other hand, I may be at times. Just let me know and I'll either stop/apologize or leave.
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Re: More Casio Prizm information
« Reply #109 on: November 23, 2010, 04:20:23 am »
Ah ok. Well on Omni we're more open to newbies not searching, because everyone starts somewhere. It may be the person's first ever forum account so obviously the person is not gonna know to search first. You see a help section and expect it's there to ask for help. (Usually the board description says "Need help? Post here!"). On another calc forum there were new members asking questions that got answered before and they got bashed pretty bad and made look like they're stupid, and they just left, as they were not given a chance. Eventually, senior members got tired of the lack of tolerance towards newbies and the fact nothing was done to stop rude posts, so those senior members eventually gave up and joined Omnimaga and later Cemetech. Now the forum in question is nearly a ghost town.

On Omni if someone snapped at a new member for not searching first he would break rule 1. However, if a member has been around for a while and, after getting told he should search through the topics, he still doesn't bother doing any effort, then it might be another story. Same if the new member himself is being rude to others.

Basically, on Omni, I prefer that new members are not automatically categorized as n00bs. There's a difference between newbie and n00b.

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Re: More Casio Prizm information
« Reply #110 on: November 23, 2010, 04:48:36 am »
The thing is, searching the forums is in the registration agreement, the instructions are plastered at the top of every subforum, there are stickies in each subforum on it, the forum guidelines/welcome message (written by me, incidentally) devote an entire section to it, and the button is in bright, neon yellow an inch from the new thread button. It's pretty hard to miss all of those. We do try to answer all questions as politely as possible, but it's a fairly large international board and when it's literally the thousandth time that question has been asked (there are occasionally two or three topics with the same title on a sub-forum), people tend to get exasperated. However, the term n00b is almost never used there, except to poke fun at other regulars.
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Re: More Casio Prizm information
« Reply #111 on: November 23, 2010, 04:51:47 am »
Ouch I could understand the frustration then. X.x

That makes me wonder if some people aren't reposting the same questions under different account just to troll. I know someone did that before on two other calc forums. For the Axe sub-forum, I could understand that a topic is reposted multiple times since there are several pages of them and it kinda became a mess, but if the same question was asked a few topics below, then I would redirect to the previous topic.

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Re: More Casio Prizm information
« Reply #112 on: November 23, 2010, 10:19:26 am »
The thing is, searching the forums is in the registration agreement, the instructions are plastered at the top of every subforum, there are stickies in each subforum on it, the forum guidelines/welcome message (written by me, incidentally) devote an entire section to it, and the button is in bright, neon yellow an inch from the new thread button. It's pretty hard to miss all of those.
Not as hard as you think. IT companies spent years and billions of dollars to train users to ignore any and all warnings. It was probaly not their intent, but...

One example. Can you imagine ever signing a contract with someone which says "yeah, we agreed to obey some rules - but these rules can be changed without warning any time I want"? Inconceivable? Preposterous? Well, millions of people "signed" such  contract - it quite literally says: Apple reserves the right at any time to modify this Agreement and to impose new or additional terms or conditions on your use of the Service. Such modifications and additional terms and conditions will be effective immediately and incorporated into this Agreement.

Another example. We had a seminar recently where lector asked: "how many of you ‘accepted’ Adobe Acrobat agreemeent by clicking ‘I agree’ on work computer?". Nearly everyone raised hands. The next question was "and how many of you have the legal right to sign binding agreements of behalf of your employer?". Uh, oh... Oops?

People are trained to convert any text with rules to form "here is this long and stupid text - you must click ‘I agree’ under it to continue, but as usual you may safely ignore what it says". Since this conditioning starts early and reinforced often it's very hard to overcome it.

I don't know what to do with this phenomenon long term, but short term the only alternative is to accept it. If you wrote something is rules even in bright neon yellow it does not mean newcomers will read it - they are trained not to!

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Re: More Casio Prizm information
« Reply #113 on: November 23, 2010, 12:33:50 pm »

I don't know what to do with this phenomenon long term, but short term the only alternative is to accept it. If you wrote something is rules even in bright neon yellow it does not mean newcomers will read it - they are trained not to!

That's pretty much what we end up doing.

We should probably get back on-topic though.

EDIT: This might suffice for a partial explanation of why newbies don't use the search feature: "I heard that if you press all the keys of the calculator once after 5 minutes the batteries overheat and explode." In TI's case, you don't even need to press all of the buttons :P
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Re: More Casio Prizm information
« Reply #114 on: November 23, 2010, 01:01:50 pm »
That said, when there's a warning at the top of the forums saying to search first, there's quite a difference of lenght compared to an aggrement text. The later often causes people to go TL;DR. However I notice a lot of people won't read important stickied topics on Omni too, because every now and then we still get asked where we can find OS 1.1 for the TI-Nspire and if we can post a link to it, and we also often see people not bothering doing backups of their projects then losing them to RAM clears, even thought there's a warning about why we are not allowed to give links to OS 1.1 and to backup your projects often.

Anyway I agree with Qwerty, we might want to go back on topic. :P