Author Topic: Warning about OS 3.0.1 destroying calcs (Read 28840 times)

DJ Omnimaga · « **Reply #75 on:** April 27, 2011, 05:33:14 pm »

Quote from: Dingus on April 23, 2011, 09:23:15 am

Quote from: DJ_O on April 22, 2011, 08:49:42 pm
Hmm I hope they are not charging for calc replacements... this would be even more terrible of them considering they are the ones who screwed up.

Also I hate how staff on a certain non-calc-dev forum (I think they're TI employees, right?) puts the blame on the TI community for these issues, claiming they're because of Ndless and that we're using innapropriate OSes (anything from OS 1.1 to 2.1? )

I can't figure out who you mean? How bout a good hint.

I'M not giving out names, but on the official french TI-Nspire forum, some TI employees/teachers there blames the TI community for their OS problems. I am sure this happened on the TI-Nspire Google Group, too.

graphmastur nope, this was photoshopped.

Lionel Debroux · « **Reply #76 on:** April 28, 2011, 01:01:17 am »

Yup, blaming the community for OS 3.0 + boot2 3.0 bricking calculators occurred on both the tinspire Google group and on TI's official French-speaking Nspire forum. The incompetents who blurted out such stupidities got rebutted by various people, including the problem reporters when they posted that they were not using Ndless (some of them didn't know what it was, anyway).

critor · « **Reply #77 on:** April 28, 2011, 05:55:05 am »

At last, TI has removed the dangerous 3.0 OS from its server. (we had to fight for a full week for that... they didn't want to believe: we were lying, we were responsible for this by using Ndless/TNOC...)
http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=1068

For the non-CX Nspire, the downloadable OSes are back to 2.1.

Deep Toaster · « **Reply #78 on:** April 28, 2011, 09:48:51 am »

Quote from: critor on April 28, 2011, 05:55:05 am

At last, TI has removed the dangerous 3.0 OS from its server.

Well, finally

Quote from: critor on April 28, 2011, 05:55:05 am

(we had to fight for a full week for that... they didn't want to believe: we were lying, we were responsible for this by using Ndless/TNOC...)

Wtf... TNOC was the only way to make it work.

Dingus · « **Reply #79 on:** April 28, 2011, 03:26:39 pm »

Quote from: critor on April 28, 2011, 05:55:05 am

At last, TI has removed the dangerous 3.0 OS from its server. (we had to fight for a full week for that... they didn't want to believe: we were lying, we were responsible for this by using Ndless/TNOC...)
http://ti.bank.free.fr/index.php?mod=news&ac=commentaires&id=1068

For the non-CX Nspire, the downloadable OSes are back to 2.1.

Yeh, I noticed that to. Bricked calc's are very costly to ti and to their reputation. You would think that TI would want to thank this community for the help.

DJ Omnimaga · « **Reply #80 on:** April 28, 2011, 04:49:12 pm »

Good move from their part. Now hoping that the next OS will be stable and not contain extra protections...

Dingus · « **Reply #81 on:** April 28, 2011, 05:50:39 pm »

Quote from: DJ_O on April 28, 2011, 04:49:12 pm

Good move from their part. Now hoping that the next OS will be stable and not contain extra protections...

Next Os? What am I missing here? When Ti changed the nspire os download from 3.0 to 2.1 I thought that was their solution to the bricking problem and they wouldn't do anything more about it. No?

Deep Toaster · « **Reply #82 on:** April 28, 2011, 07:31:10 pm »

It's a huge degrade from 3.0 to 2.1 (a lot of new features), so I doubt they'd leave it like this. And there's some talk of a new OS update in May, anyway.

Dingus · « **Reply #83 on:** April 29, 2011, 03:24:40 am »

Quote from: Deep Thought on April 28, 2011, 07:31:10 pm

It's a huge degrade from 3.0 to 2.1 (a lot of new features), so I doubt they'd leave it like this. And there's some talk of a new OS update in May, anyway.

I was thinking they would use the problem as an excuse to force people that want the new features into buying a new (cx) calc. Then they can ignore the problem and it is a win-win for them.

DJ Omnimaga · « **Reply #84 on:** April 29, 2011, 03:31:51 am »

Quote from: Dingus on April 28, 2011, 05:50:39 pm

Quote from: DJ_O on April 28, 2011, 04:49:12 pm
Good move from their part. Now hoping that the next OS will be stable and not contain extra protections...

Next Os? What am I missing here? When Ti changed the nspire os download from 3.0 to 2.1 I thought that was their solution to the bricking problem and they wouldn't do anything more about it. No?

No, they announced on their fb page (the french one) that a fix would come out in May. I bet it will be OS 3.0.2 or something. The OS was most likely removed so people won't damage their calc with it.

Dingus · « **Reply #85 on:** April 29, 2011, 09:51:32 am »

Quote from: DJ_O on April 29, 2011, 03:31:51 am

Quote from: Dingus on April 28, 2011, 05:50:39 pm
Quote from: DJ_O on April 28, 2011, 04:49:12 pm
Good move from their part. Now hoping that the next OS will be stable and not contain extra protections...

I hope you are right.

Next Os? What am I missing here? When Ti changed the nspire os download from 3.0 to 2.1 I thought that was their solution to the bricking problem and they wouldn't do anything more about it. No?
No, they announced on their fb page (the french one) that a fix would come out in May. I bet it will be OS 3.0.2 or something. The OS was most likely removed so people won't damage their calc with it.

jnesselr · « **Reply #86 on:** April 30, 2011, 12:17:29 pm »

I'm assuming you meant to type something after quoting Dingus? I mean outside the quote, that is.

I see you typed "I hope you are right".

And I hope that this is because they realized they needed to fix bugs. Although, how escalated was it? I mean it wasn't slashdotted or anything. If it was because they saw it needed to be fixed, where did they see it? Maybe they watch ticalc.org?

critor · « **Reply #87 on:** May 02, 2011, 06:09:20 pm »

For information, there's been a semi-official attack against TNOC by some T3 teacher on the official french TI forum.

The T3 teacher was referring to TNOC as a modified TI OS (which means he didn't check the source: the OS, which means the TI-Nspire.img file inside the pkzip archive, is unaltered during the process), and was stating that using TNOC would void your warranty, although the generated TNC/TNO file is 100% made of unaltered TI code.
http://www.univers-ti-nspire.fr/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=528&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=30#p2926

Isn't it the duty of a teacher to take care of his students first?...
Because, it seems that for this T3 teacher, it's better for students to not use TNOC and install the full 3.0.1 OS, with the risk of bricking your calculator... I hardly understand the logic behind this...

He's the same teacher who stated we were responsible for bricked TI-Nspire by using modified OSes...

ruler501 · « **Reply #88 on:** May 02, 2011, 06:10:51 pm »

teacher might be brainwashed by TI...
some people will just believe what they want to be true

Silver Shadow · « **Reply #89 on:** May 02, 2011, 06:32:37 pm »

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