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Re: Our Current Problem
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2010, 05:59:17 pm »
I agree that KermM can run his site how he wants, but I still reserve the right to make my opinion known about it.

If you have suggestions to improve Cemetech, you should post them in his website sub-forum.
I did.  The only reason it is posted here is in case it is censored or deleted.

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Re: Our Current Problem
« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2010, 05:59:24 pm »
Like I said, we have a hard enough time fighting TI without our little internal conflicts.

The only real fight with TI is on the Nspire. TI already knows that the community has broken the 83+ series and they've pretty much given up on it.
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Re: Our Current Problem
« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2010, 06:01:12 pm »
Can't we all just get along?
You cannot fully comprehend how much I wish it was so.
The only real fight with TI is on the Nspire. TI already knows that the community has broken the 83+ series and they've pretty much given up on it.
Be that as it may, if they have already lost, then why do they insist on holding onto vital documentation?

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Re: Our Current Problem
« Reply #18 on: November 09, 2010, 06:04:41 pm »
I've been a member of Omnimaga for over 5 years now. I have seen the things that SirCmpwn is talking about from time to time -- although not specific to Cemetech.

I think Omnimaga is a great place for "noobs' to learn and get to know the community. I would not consider myself a noob. In fact, I'm probably too old to be a member here... but I still am... and I enjoy it!
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Re: Our Current Problem
« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2010, 06:05:08 pm »
You did? Well that's good then. (And I just saw now as I post this: http://www.cemetech.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=122079#122079 )

And yeah I agree that people can say their opinion. Keep in mind that on Omnimaga, people need to say their opinion with respect, though, which is why I will be watching this topic from time to time. That applies to any situation, be it project comments, help, site talk and randomness.
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Re: Our Current Problem
« Reply #20 on: November 09, 2010, 06:07:20 pm »
im just saying im a member of both websites and i see nothing wrong with either of them.

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Re: Our Current Problem
« Reply #21 on: November 09, 2010, 06:08:18 pm »
I do agree that we need to make sure that we keep a civil tone when talking to other people. It'll only agitate the community more if we start lashing out.

On that note, I retract my last post.
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Re: Our Current Problem
« Reply #22 on: November 09, 2010, 06:08:49 pm »
The only real fight with TI is on the Nspire. TI already knows that the community has broken the 83+ series and they've pretty much given up on it.
Be that as it may, if they have already lost, then why do they insist on holding onto vital documentation?

Because they're in denial. But what documentation are they holding on to? We already know the drivers, the processor, the code for the OS, and pretty much everything else I can think of.
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Re: Our Current Problem
« Reply #23 on: November 09, 2010, 06:09:33 pm »
Arguably the most vital documentation to the whole 3rd party OS scene - the USB protocol.

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Re: Our Current Problem
« Reply #24 on: November 09, 2010, 06:14:56 pm »
I don't really visit Cemetech very often, but I from my experience it is a good site.  I completely believe Sir, and wonder why the posts were deleted.  However, I respect Kerm's authority (and DJ's) to run their sites how they want to.  We all belong to a very similar, if not identical sect in society.  It's not like we're competing or anything (at least not to my knowledge).  We should all just work together and get along, with no bashing from anybody.

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Re: Our Current Problem
« Reply #25 on: November 09, 2010, 06:15:01 pm »
Oh, that might be useful...

Doesn't the OS contain information on those protocols though? Brandonw posted the decompiled OS a while back.
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Re: Our Current Problem
« Reply #26 on: November 09, 2010, 06:16:07 pm »
Personally, I rated down the post, because I and others have brought up problems from other sites on here or vice-versa in the past, and it only caused more problems than it should. Such matter should be discussed with the admin concerned, or the admin should discuss them with you, like I do everytime there is an issue between an Omni member and myself/my site.

I disagree that the rant should have been deleted, I think it would be fine since it would clarify things, but it is Kerm's website: He has the right to decide what is allowed and what's not, and you can do nothing about it. The only thing you can do is if something wrong occurs on Omnimaga directly. It's like if someone complains that we're too strict on rude comments: Omnimaga is our site and we reserve the right to punish people who are unnecessarly rude to others. Cemetech is not Omnimaga and Omnimaga is not Cemetech. It's Kerm decision run run Cemetech how he does. I tried convincing every admin of other sites to disallow rude comments before and it gave me a bad reputation for a while, because they are not my site and admins there can run them how they want.

That said, I do not know what happens behind the scenes and I effectively saw words "omnidrama" or "omninoobs" before, but we can do nothing about it. If people notice bad things said against Omnimaga, it's up to them to decide if they mind it or not and if they want to stay or leave. If you have suggestions to improve Cemetech, you should post them in his website sub-forum. If they get censored, then at least you will have tried to post them at the right place.

I'm leaving this topic intact and open, but if it turns into an Cemetech bashing thread or an inter community dispute, I will lock it and take the usual action against those who participated. Let's learn from the community past mistakes that nearly caused its death, shall we?
I made a more lengthy response on Cemetech but I feel DJ has summed up exactly what I was thinking. The only issue I have seen people on Cemetech have with Omnimaga is the drama that seems to stem from it, whether that opinion is justified or not. IMO there are other things that usually cause the drama in the community and it is a shame the Omnimaga seems to often get caught in the thick of it even though they are not the cause. I for one feel that terms like Omnidrama and similar are not acceptable in any community calculators or otherwise and while I have not seen that term used if I do I feel the first mod/admin to encounter such words should take care of it as they see fit in accordance with their respective sites rules.

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Re: Our Current Problem
« Reply #27 on: November 09, 2010, 06:17:14 pm »
I am a member of both sites and I do not see a major issue, but then again I do not comb through every forum and topic. I do, however, see a division in "strong points" between the two. Generally, I find that if I am looking for anything related to Axe or gaming, Omnimaga is my better bet, but if I am looking for help with assembly routines and assembly concepts, my topics get "hit" more on cemetech (a shout out and a thank you to DeepThought, thepenguin77, and many other omnimaga users who have also helped me a great deal)

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Re: Our Current Problem
« Reply #28 on: November 09, 2010, 06:19:11 pm »
Also one thing to clarify:

When you arrive on a site: there's no such thing as the first ammendmnent. It's not protected by it. You can say what you want, but the admins are free to censor anything they want or punish people for whatever reason they want. The only thing you can do is if you are not satisfied with that, you need to start your own forum.
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Re: Our Current Problem
« Reply #29 on: November 09, 2010, 06:19:24 pm »
Qwerty: It's pretty convoluted, and we don't fully understand it.  This page sums up our knowledge quite nicely.

Jonimus and ACagliano, fair enough.

Also one thing to clarify:

When you arrive on a site: there's no such thing as the first ammendmnent. It's not protected by it. You can say what you want, but the admins are free to censor anything they want or punish people for whatever reason they want. The only thing you can do is if you are not satisfied with that, you need to start your own forum.
That is true, however, I was merely expressing my opinion on the matter.
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