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Re: so will ti-cares care???
« Reply #75 on: August 04, 2010, 11:28:03 pm »
Not to mention if they were really afraid that people may brick their calcs, then why did they wait 16 years to protect their calc from 3rd party dev? 13 years ago, they even added the Asm( command on the TI-86.
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Re: so will ti-cares care???
« Reply #76 on: August 05, 2010, 11:16:53 am »
Well, to answer that question:
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I understand you would like to know why we do not provide support for a wider array of development for the TI-Nspire. The TI-Nspire handheld has built in the ability to implement programs via TI-Basic. I can understand that this may be viewed as a limited program editor; it is limited to ensure the proper operation of the calculator.

On earlier Texas Instruments graphing calculators which you could compile and develop assembly programs there were third-party shell programs and third-party operating systems which have been known to cause the calculators to lock up or malfunction. Third-party shell programs include, but are not limited to: MirageOS, DoorsOS, UniversalOS, Ion, and have been known to cause issues with the operation and implementation of the calculator.

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Re: so will ti-cares care???
« Reply #77 on: August 05, 2010, 11:19:55 am »
So why don't they release an OS to lock up the Z80 calcs?  not to give any ideas.

And on a side note, What's UniversalOS?  btw, they put DoorsOS  is that referring to the 68k one, or a fail spelling DoorsCS?

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Re: so will ti-cares care???
« Reply #78 on: August 05, 2010, 11:21:45 am »
Now the next thing we know we will see a locked up OS for Z80 and 68k calcs.

Although they could not do too much damage as we already have the keys! :)


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Re: so will ti-cares care???
« Reply #79 on: August 05, 2010, 11:24:47 am »
We have keys for 68k as well?
I doubt anyone's going to fall for one on 68k though, since they haven't updated in so long, they already give the impression they don't care about 68k anymore.
But then again, everyone may download since they're so eager after so long.

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Re: so will ti-cares care???
« Reply #80 on: August 05, 2010, 11:26:30 am »
UniversalOS is an old 68k kernel like DoorsOS. Both are incompatible on the Titanium.

I find it interesting that they mentioned some pretty old kernels and shells. MirageOS is probably the most commonly used of them, but that's not actively developed anymore, is it? I wonder why?

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Re: so will ti-cares care???
« Reply #81 on: August 05, 2010, 02:02:02 pm »
Well, to answer that question:
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I understand you would like to know why we do not provide support for a wider array of development for the TI-Nspire. The TI-Nspire handheld has built in the ability to implement programs via TI-Basic. I can understand that this may be viewed as a limited program editor; it is limited to ensure the proper operation of the calculator.

On earlier Texas Instruments graphing calculators which you could compile and develop assembly programs there were third-party shell programs and third-party operating systems which have been known to cause the calculators to lock up or malfunction. Third-party shell programs include, but are not limited to: MirageOS, DoorsOS, UniversalOS, Ion, and have been known to cause issues with the operation and implementation of the calculator.

I have never had these shells affect the functioning of my calc. True, there's that program BrandonW made to destroy certificates, but there was a clear warning with that.

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Re: so will ti-cares care???
« Reply #82 on: August 05, 2010, 02:45:40 pm »
I had issues with Mirage, but that's back when I used Mirage 1.1...


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Re: so will ti-cares care???
« Reply #83 on: August 05, 2010, 05:28:33 pm »
Those shells can lock up the calc, but most contains or are around documentation to help you unlock your calc if a crash occurs. There's no way those shells can permanently damage the calc unless you run a program that writes to the wrong section of flash and deletes the certificate and OS. Such program, however, is hard to find in the TI community and they're hidden well for obvious reasons.

Maybe TI should just go the same way they did with 3rd party 83 OSes: installing 3rd party ASM/C software voids the warranty. Use at your own risk. This would warn people who are less experienced with calc stuff while still giving freedom for developers and those who want to use the calc for games.
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Re: so will ti-cares care???
« Reply #84 on: August 05, 2010, 06:29:37 pm »
I won't put the e-mail in yet, but basically, the person suggested to their superiors about releasing the source code of the os, and they should get back to me.

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Re: so will ti-cares care???
« Reply #85 on: August 05, 2010, 07:07:58 pm »
I kinda have doubts this company will release the source code of stuff they sell, though. I hope they eventually get open-minded again toward 3rd-party development, though.
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Re: so will ti-cares care???
« Reply #86 on: August 05, 2010, 08:28:26 pm »
I doubt we will get so lucky King graphmastur, the hero of the land, but we can still hope.  Truthfully i am just glad that we are on speaking terms with ti-cares.

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