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Re: TI bans community calculator emulation
« Reply #105 on: February 26, 2013, 06:31:33 pm »
What concerns me, though, is the inability for new users (not getting the ROMs before change) to use emulators.
Oh, wait, we can still use old roms? yay

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Re: TI bans community calculator emulation
« Reply #106 on: February 27, 2013, 01:06:20 am »
New users will just ignore this new, unenforceable rule of not using the OS upgrade in a third-party emulator.
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Re: TI bans community calculator emulation
« Reply #107 on: February 27, 2013, 01:09:33 am »
One thing I am thinking about is that since education is their main focus, the fact that many teachers here use WabbitEmu (often from student influences) instead of the official emulator might hurt TI's sales. Maybe if TI offered deals to schools to buy calcs/softwares in bulk for cheaper, they might decide to not renew those agreements or deals if the school starts using third-party emulators with pirated ROMs.
It isn't pirated if the school dumps it from their own calculator, and it isn't against the license terms if they acquired it before the change went into effect.
Oh I was refering to people who just download the .rom files on some websites like that one bay of pirate that many people know about or group.revsoft.org (although that's no longer available).

Seriously, though, I wonder what's the percentage of users who actually read licenses before agreeing to them when they install or download something?

Also, even if ROMs and ROM dumpers were no longer available anywhere, you can still download Flash Debugger and rename the .clc files.
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Re: TI bans community calculator emulation
« Reply #108 on: February 27, 2013, 02:21:36 pm »
What is the point of the "license" on the TI-OS download pages? You don't need permission to use it. Copyright law (at least in the US) already allows end-users to install and use software without permission from the copyright owner. The "license" doesn't actually give you anything or allow you to do anything that you didn't already have the right to do in return. You can already legally download a copy from TI's site and install and use it in your emulator as you wish, or download it and install it on your real calculator.

There's simply no need to agree to the terms and conditions of the "license" to download and use a TI-OS file (and downloading a file from the download page does not indicate agreement, despite what TI might claim).

Edit to add: if you dump the ROM from your calculator, you are also not subject to any "license". You did not have to agree to any license when you purchased the calculator, and some license on TI's site does not apply to your use of your own calculator.

Edit to add again:
@Keoni there's a EULA in the packaging which you agree to by using the calculator.
The TI-OS EULA (like virtually every other EULA) is a contract, and you are bound to the terms and conditions of that contract only if you indicate assent, and simply using the calculator does not indicate your assent to a contract that is packaged alongside the calculator.

When you bought the calculator, you own the copy of software on it*, and you have full rights to use the software without accepting any contract. Under copyright law, TI has the exclusive right to copy and distribute the software but not to use the software. Use of software (or book, CD, DVD, etc) is not even covered by copyright law (after all, it's not a useright law), except when copying is required to make use of a copyrighted work, as it is with software (but as I mentioned, this right is explicitly granted by copyright law to the owner of a copy of software).

*A lot of trolls in the software industry would claim that you only "licensed" the software and didn't buy it, but they are mistaken from a legal standpoint.
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