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Re: New TI-Nspire CX hardware revision K
« Reply #30 on: September 04, 2013, 05:58:49 pm »
But... but... according to this graph: :P



OS 3.2 should be 4 times larger than 2.1 and 4.4 should be 4 times larger than 3.2 O.O
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Re: New TI-Nspire CX hardware revision K
« Reply #31 on: September 04, 2013, 05:59:34 pm »
Well, in a situation like this, there are two things that people can do:
1. Hack or
2. Boycott

TI and Apple should become partner companies; they both make stupid decisions regarding their products.
And even though Apple has no reason for what they do, TI doesn't have a good enough reason. "Our calculators must be test safe..blah blah blah." "Teachers don't like calculator games blah blah blah (F*ck all teachers like this)." "We don't  want you to run CAS on a non-CAS nspire blah blah blah." Even though this may be true (I am one of the people who is running CAS on a non-CAS nspire, on my grayscale nspire), why would you spend a bunch of money on two different calc models when you could just advance the ones you already have?

BTW, I am running OS 3.3.0.538 on my nspire CAS, with boot2 3.2.4.5. Could I downgrade my boot2 through RS232 and then use nlaunch CX?
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Re: New TI-Nspire CX hardware revision K
« Reply #32 on: September 04, 2013, 06:03:30 pm »
If it's the correct HW revision, you definitely can.

And even 4*size of 2.1 = 35.32 would still fit into the memory.
With OS 4.4 it's time for swap, but still, no problem. 4*35.32 = 141.28 MB, a bit too large, but with compression and decompression on-the-fly still feasible.

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Re: New TI-Nspire CX hardware revision K
« Reply #33 on: September 04, 2013, 06:12:02 pm »
If TI makes games (or at least used to), why do they go through so much trouble to prevent them? (ex. TI Invaders for the TI-99)
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Re: New TI-Nspire CX hardware revision K
« Reply #34 on: September 04, 2013, 06:13:31 pm »
The TI-99 was a home computer, so that's a totally different business.

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Re: New TI-Nspire CX hardware revision K
« Reply #35 on: September 04, 2013, 06:17:58 pm »
What language is the TI-Nspire student software written in? I'm trying to decompile it, but without success.
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Re: New TI-Nspire CX hardware revision K
« Reply #36 on: September 04, 2013, 06:18:30 pm »
Java, mostly.

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Re: New TI-Nspire CX hardware revision K
« Reply #37 on: September 04, 2013, 06:19:31 pm »
BTW, I am running OS 3.3.0.538 on my nspire CAS, with boot2 3.2.4.5. Could I downgrade my boot2 through RS232 and then use nlaunch CX?

What's your hardware revision?

If it's not J, K or something newer, you should be able to downgrade the Boot2 to 3.1 through RS232, and then install Nlaunch.

Boot2 3.2.4.5 is something new for us by the way.
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Re: New TI-Nspire CX hardware revision K
« Reply #38 on: September 04, 2013, 06:20:13 pm »
Well, if TI ever went too far and Omnimaga admins wanted to take action (like I considered doing in 2011), they could always sacrifice some site space just above OmnomIRC by putting an ad-line banner there that would say in big letter (with a lock around the Nspire and various alternatives) "TI-Nspire updates harms your freedom. Do not buy new, do not update! Click this banner to learn why and how to support the future of the TI community". Along with that, any future programming contest could maybe just feature non-Nspire products (unless Ndlessable) as prizes.

The banner would link to a topic that lists alternatives and solutions, such as buying their Nspire on Ebay (used, making sure it's an older production model with OS 3.1 or lower), getting a Z80 or 68K model instead or even a Casio model. The banner should also contain a Facebook share, Reddit, Google+ and retweet buttons with a message encouraging people to spread the word.

This wouldn't be an anti-TI boycott, but rather a boycott against TI-Nspire updates, although it would put an heavy emphasis on the TI-84 Plus C Silver Edition, TI-89 Titanium (which has a CAS), HP Prime (same) and Casio PRIZM, as well as cheaper models such as the TI-83 Plus and FX-9860GII.
If TI makes games (or at least used to), why do they go through so much trouble to prevent them? (ex. TI Invaders for the TI-99)
They don't try to prevent games, but rather cheating tools such as PTTKiller, but by doing so, they pretty much harms the entire development community. Also they might not realize it, but some students learned programming with a calculator, since they had limited computer access when they were young or it was too complicated. By locking the Nspire down, TI severely limits those kids' chances to learn programming to its full potential. BASIC on that calc is extremely limited when it comes to interfaces and interactivity and Lua isn't as accessible if you have no computer to grab an on-calc Lua editor from.
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Re: New TI-Nspire CX hardware revision K
« Reply #39 on: September 04, 2013, 06:22:01 pm »
Most people (I, at least) got an nspire because they had to buy one. So boycott wouldn't work.

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Re: New TI-Nspire CX hardware revision K
« Reply #40 on: September 04, 2013, 06:22:52 pm »
Heheheh... i just found some jar files in the student software directory. I'm going to open them to see what I can find...
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Re: New TI-Nspire CX hardware revision K
« Reply #41 on: September 04, 2013, 06:23:47 pm »
Much stuff.
Nothing interesting, mostly boring interfaces to dlls. What do you expect?

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Re: New TI-Nspire CX hardware revision K
« Reply #42 on: September 04, 2013, 06:26:47 pm »
Could the jar files be modded (Kinda like minecraft.jar)?
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Re: New TI-Nspire CX hardware revision K
« Reply #43 on: September 04, 2013, 06:27:40 pm »
Most people (I, at least) got an nspire because they had to buy one. So boycott wouldn't work.
They could simply argue with their school (or get their parents to) that the Nspire is just too expensive and that the TI-84 Plus can do the job as well for the most part (as it did before the Nspire came out). And if the school lends TI-Nspires as an alternative, then there's still a brand new Nspire that the student will not be buying, since he'll be using an used model instead. Also apparently some people saw plenty of 82/83/83+ users in their schools. Also, if TI decided to get every school to switch to the Nspire, then why did they just release a new color TI-84 Plus C Silver Edition and why are they still selling older models?
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Re: New TI-Nspire CX hardware revision K
« Reply #44 on: September 04, 2013, 06:30:16 pm »
Of course you can mod the .jars quite easily but what would you want to do?

Our school only supports nspire (CX) CAS calcs. But it's your choice how to get them.