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TILP: beta-testing...
« on: January 22, 2010, 01:30:22 pm »
I have uploaded at http://lpg.ticalc.org/prj_tilp/download/setup.exe a pre-version (for Windows, obviously :D) of TILP II 1.14, for beta-testing :)
(*nix users can try http://lpg.ticalc.org/prj_tilp/download/install_tilp.sh , start by looking inside the script)
Even if I'm trying to get myself the necessary infrastructure for being a decent (co-)maintainer (bought a 89T, a 83+SE and a SilverLink), it's necessary to perform wider and deeper testing than just what I did on my Vista x86 and Seven x64 VMs ;)
In particular, I can see driver trouble on Seven x64 (complains about unsigned drivers) but not under Vista x86. I can also see that unless the UAC is completely disabled (baaaaad !), Seven forbids TILP to write tilp.ini => need to improve this (by changing the location, probably).

Since TILP II 1.13, visible changes are TI-68k bugfixes (especially for PedroM), and important bugfixes for TI-Z80 (TI-Connect is now much happier with files and groups created by TILP). TILP keeps supporting, in a transparent way, the incorrect groups created by previous versions. I think I fixed a build/packaging problem that makes TILP II 1.13 not work for many users.

This test version was compiled with MSVC 2008 and GTK+ 2.12.9 (such was the result of a multi-forum poll one year ago: 9x/ME/NT4 support is no longer guaranteed).
Therefore, you have to install the VC++ 2008 Redistributable Package ( http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=9b2da534-3e03-4391-8a4d-074b9f2bc1bf ) if you don't have it yet. I hope to find a working MSVC 6, so as to remove that dependency.

A small limitation in this test version: no French locale. Not that most of those who read this board care, though.


Thanks in advance ;)
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Re: TILP: beta-testing...
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2010, 01:38:14 pm »
Sounds good :)  I'll try this out as soon as I can.
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Re: TILP: beta-testing...
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2010, 01:41:53 pm »
"much better interoperability with TI-Connect"

Does this mean both of them will work simultaneously?
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Re: TILP: beta-testing...
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2010, 02:26:26 pm »
"much better interoperability with TI-Connect"

Does this mean both of them will work simultaneously?
I believe he means files retrieved using TI-Connect can be sent using TiLP and vice-versa.
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Re: TILP: beta-testing...
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2010, 02:52:01 pm »
Nice to see a pre-made executable for Windows finally ^^

I wonder if it will also work with TI-Graph Link (or older TI-Connect versions) 8xg files? For example, starting in TI-Connect 1.5, they changed the compatible 8xg format and most of my old games, when sent as group to the calc, have the first file in them corrupted when ungrouping. The sad thing is that afterward, most emulator authors copied that, so these group files won't work properly in PindurTI, for example.

If you take The Reign Of Legends 3, the launching program, after ungrouped on calc after sending it with TI-Connect 1.5 or higher, will give an ERR:UNDEFINED when being ran. If you check the MEM menu, it will take about 10-12 bytes. Archiving it will give an error too and trying to delete it will crash the calc and RAM clear.

EDIT: note, for newer members over here, I am talking about the TI-Graph Link software, not the cable. It was basically TI-Connect's ancestor back in the late '90s until 2001, but also included a program editor.
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Re: TILP: beta-testing...
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2010, 04:14:06 pm »
EDIT: note, for newer members over here, I am talking about the TI-Graph Link software, not the cable. It was basically TI-Connect's ancestor back in the late '90s until 2001, but also included a program editor.
I'm new, but at my school we have three things for calcs: Ti Connect to transfer, Ti Flash Debugger to emulate, and Ti Graphlink for a program editor. (I'm not sure where I'm going with this, but I figured I'd show that it's still being used.)

How soes Tilp work with the Ti86?  I'm having problems with it and Ti Connect 1.5, so I'd like to find something that will work.

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Re: TILP: beta-testing...
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2010, 02:02:18 am »
TILP is supposed to support the TI-86 indeed... but, er, this model has become uncommon (and none of the maintainers has one to test, AFAIK), so while no changes to TI-86 support code have been performed in a while, we can't completely eliminate the possibility that it does not work properly, until someone tries :)
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Re: TILP: beta-testing...
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2010, 10:44:33 am »
any reason/need to test with x64 windows seven ?

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Re: TILP: beta-testing...
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2010, 12:02:23 pm »
Great effort you show by buying some calcs to test this. You are awesome.

New tilp version! That is amazing. I will (try to) reinstall on Linux and retest.

Does this version allows to keep both TI-Connect and Tilp installed? (I think since they use different drivers, it is not very viable)
And it would be great if tilp accepted all the versions of group file that DJ wrote about.
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Re: TILP: beta-testing...
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2010, 12:32:21 pm »
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any reason/need to test with x64 windows seven ?
Yes :)
It would be great if we had test reports for all XP and later versions, on both 32-bit and 64-bit versions (well, 64-bit XP is infrequent and XP has few 64-bit drivers anyway, so that one is not vital), since the drivers are different, and so are the driver signature requirements.

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Does this version allows to keep both TI-Connect and Tilp installed? (I think since they use different drivers, it is not very viable)
No, not better than the previous versions, because Windows doesn't like having two drivers for the same thing, AFAIK.

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And it would be great if tilp accepted all the versions of group file that DJ wrote about.
I agree on the principle, but I feel that this kind of new features is post-1.14 stuff ;)
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Re: TILP: beta-testing...
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2010, 01:08:55 pm »
alright il get some batteries for my spare calc and give it a try :)


so basially messs around with making and using groups and such ?

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Re: TILP: beta-testing...
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2010, 03:05:25 pm »
For the TI-Graph Link group glitching, it is not a hurry, personally, because ungrouping the group on the computer then sending each files individually fixed it. The only real issue someoen would encounter is if the group contained a lot of hacked pictures variable (11 through 255), which can't all be ungrouped on anything older than Vista
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Re: TILP: beta-testing...
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2010, 03:37:12 pm »
ok well i tested this on x64 windows 7 amd athelon

and i found that it just lock up when i try to select ready? or dirlist

i have 2 84+se and they both do it

there is also the problem stated in teh first post so i am also doing this under teh driver compatability option thing

im not sure if any of the other features work as i can not get vti to work and i don not own any other calculators to try this with

so yeah thats my 2 cence so far :P

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Re: TILP: beta-testing...
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2010, 05:17:14 am »
I think that Seven x64 (which is bound to become the most deployed version in several years...) is going to be a pain.
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Re: TILP: beta-testing...
« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2010, 09:57:39 am »
agreed so far i love it but compatability issues suck

eg dont install libusb32 as there drivers areent microsoft verified i had to do a system restore this morning to get my wifi card working again cause it apparently uses libusb0.sys   

so word of warning back up thoe drivers if you have win7x64 and have disabled system restore