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Re: TI opens TI-84 Plus C Silver Edition page
« Reply #30 on: December 20, 2012, 12:09:04 am »
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TI-68k series in popularity.

Actually I beg to differ. Back in 2003-04, it was even more popular than z80 calcs among programmers. Most POTY surveys had more 68K entries than z80, by far. It only died down because a community member did everything to make the veteran coders leave and then it never recovered since the Nspire CAS started getting more popular (basically, almost no more new coder would join and all the veterans left at once). Most people speculate that the 68K line is reaching its end of life soon, like the TI-86 did way back then. That said, 68K calcs were never as popular as Z80 in the English community, since mostly european school systems were open to CAS calcs.

Casio calcs, other than the PRIZM, are not very popular in the English community, though. In the French community it's the PRIZM that
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Re: TI opens TI-84 Plus C Silver Edition page
« Reply #31 on: December 20, 2012, 05:00:38 pm »
Well, if it's not in popularity, then I think it's safe to say that the 68k series is crippled in the speed and difficulty of its programming language. The cost is fairly high as well.
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Re: TI opens TI-84 Plus C Silver Edition page
« Reply #32 on: December 20, 2012, 05:04:04 pm »
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It only died down because a community member did everything to make the veteran coders leave
WOW, who would do that O.o
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Re: TI opens TI-84 Plus C Silver Edition page
« Reply #33 on: December 20, 2012, 05:13:23 pm »
Quote from: Sorunome on December 20, 2012, 05:04:04 pm
WOW, who would do that O.o

Someone who... is just cruel?
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Re: TI opens TI-84 Plus C Silver Edition page
« Reply #34 on: December 20, 2012, 08:56:58 pm »
Quote from: Sorunome on December 19, 2012, 08:24:33 pm
how is the ti 84+ series crippeld? (without CSE)
Quote from: blue_bear_94 on December 19, 2012, 08:31:41 pm
It has less RAM than a Commodore 64.
The original TI-83+SE and TI-84+/SE had 128 K. It's crippled because in 2008ish TI revised the ASIC such that the new TI-84+/SEs have only 48 K.
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Re: TI opens TI-84 Plus C Silver Edition page
« Reply #35 on: December 20, 2012, 08:58:27 pm »
TI doesn't plan on adding support for more RAM (AFAIK), so why include it?

The TI-86 can have 102 KB of RAM, but they reserved a page for Assembly. The MEM screen also didn't support 6-digit numbers.
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Re: TI opens TI-84 Plus C Silver Edition page
« Reply #36 on: December 20, 2012, 08:58:50 pm »
However, you can still access only 24K for your programming/math purposes. So the only use for the extra 80k is the programs that happen to need a LOT of RAM.
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Re: TI opens TI-84 Plus C Silver Edition page
« Reply #37 on: December 20, 2012, 09:00:34 pm »
that's because TI is crazy and the os also needs some ram
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Re: TI opens TI-84 Plus C Silver Edition page
« Reply #38 on: December 20, 2012, 09:02:02 pm »
Quote from: Sorunome on December 20, 2012, 09:00:34 pm
that's because TI is crazy and the os also needs some ram

Why not put more RAM in the first place, then?
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Re: TI opens TI-84 Plus C Silver Edition page
« Reply #39 on: December 20, 2012, 09:02:07 pm »
Quote from: blue_bear_94 on December 20, 2012, 08:58:50 pm
However, you can still access only 24K for your programming/math purposes.
For BASIC programmers, sure. Assembly programmers can use the extra RAM to great effect, e.g. tiboyse, Omnicalc RAM recovery. It wouldn't be impossible to get Axe to support the RAM, either. In fact, you can probably read from those extra pages by hacking the files feature: just overwrite the page number with 82h. Writing might take some more effort, though.
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Re: TI opens TI-84 Plus C Silver Edition page
« Reply #40 on: December 20, 2012, 09:04:25 pm »
but the problem is that newer models (like mine) don't have that anymore D:
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Re: TI opens TI-84 Plus C Silver Edition page
« Reply #41 on: December 20, 2012, 09:04:48 pm »
With enough hacking, would it be possible to patch the 84+ calcs to use the extra 16 KB? Or does the OS use it?
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Re: TI opens TI-84 Plus C Silver Edition page
« Reply #42 on: December 20, 2012, 09:10:05 pm »
I think the OS uses 8k, but I don't think using the other 8k for Basic would be possible. Trying to do so would require modifying a lot of memory locations, and then assembly programs written for the unpatched calc would not work with the patch.
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Re: TI opens TI-84 Plus C Silver Edition page
« Reply #43 on: December 20, 2012, 09:10:59 pm »
Quote from: CVSoft on December 20, 2012, 09:04:48 pm
With enough hacking, would it be possible to patch the 84+ calcs to use the extra 16 KB? Or does the OS use it?
i thought xeda made somewhere hacks like that.....
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Re: TI opens TI-84 Plus C Silver Edition page
« Reply #44 on: December 20, 2012, 09:11:53 pm »
That was for using extra graphscreens. We're talking about using the extra RAM for things we use the 24k given to us for.
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