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Ultimatum
« on: March 13, 2011, 08:50:52 pm »
We are considering the possibility of temporary closing the #omnimaga IRC channel due to abuse (mostly trolling from newer members) in the past 3 weeks. For the next few days, we will be keeping an eye on IRC logs and continue our temporary increased moderation (2nd strike = ban until 2 AM, with no warning for new users) to attempt at solving problems, but if no improvement occurs, the channel will be set to +m and OmnomIRC will be disabled completely.

In addition to that, shortly before what would be the start of our 2011 contest, I will be making my final decision regarding if I continue to pay for Omnimaga hosting and contest prizes or not. This final decision will be based on if there are any improvements regarding the recent abuse. I was disgusted by this and I do not see why I should be treated the way I was by certain new users after everything I've done for the TI community, especailly on the coding side and by trying to provide a site like Omnimaga.

We ask people to cooperate, especially newer users (our rules are located here) so we can continue keeping Omnimaga free of hostility.
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Re: Ultimatum
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2011, 08:55:27 pm »
I personally agree with this 100%.  #Omnimaga needs to be a place free of hostility, and if it can't be, then unfortunately there will be consequences.  If you want there to be a #omnimaga in the future, please remember that everyone has feelings, and remember not to troll.  Thank you.

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Re: Ultimatum
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2011, 08:59:47 pm »
Also unlike what someone said a few weeks ago, #omnimaga is tied with Omnimaga. Sure, it has some different users, but it doesn't mean the rules are any different there.

Anyway I edited my first post with the most recent example of treatment I received. (see link)

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Re: Ultimatum
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2011, 09:26:45 pm »
I just read the link and from the little piece that I saw of the conflict, and I agree that momrocker was being a little rude and narrow minded, and probably has no idea what you personally have accomplished without functions etc in the past. I don't think Ashbad was trying to be though, from how I read it, it seems to me like he honestly was just trying to help.
momrocker does seem like one of those people who don't fit in here that well because of no inner filter and not thinking about how others feel.
I probably missed some more of what happened too so please excuse me if I did.
I wish that there was a better way to make sure people who join the forums read the rules :/
I'm starting to wonder if we should do some restructuring on IRC. Maybe making two channels. One set to +m and only members who have been here for a long time can idle in, and another open to new members and after a while we can allow them access to the other channel. This way the new members can still get help, but they wont disrupt the flow of things in the other channel and cause as many problems. Of course I'm not sure if this idea would really work that well :/

It's always hard dealing with a large influx of new members and it's easy to get discouraged when not many of them follow our standards that well. We have to be patient though, although I know it's sure hard for me sometimes. I've lost my temper once or twice on IRC, but luckily I'm ok at figuring out when I need to stop and just take a break for a little bit, although I usually wait a little too long before realizing :P

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Re: Ultimatum
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2011, 09:35:03 pm »
I like the two channel idea.  My question is, how do you join a channel that has +m?  Would there be a bot to auto-voice people like me who have been here a while?

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Re: Ultimatum
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2011, 09:43:11 pm »
I don't think we should split the channels but maybe a temporary closing or making the current chan only available for chat to admins/mods for a while, with no OmnomIRC.

As for the link what pisses me off the most is that it's not even the reason why I banned him. He claims I banned him because he was trying to help me. This is outright libel.

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Re: Ultimatum
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2011, 09:56:10 pm »
What I could suggest for now is to set +m, so people have to wait before being voiced, much like #defocus on Freenode.

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Re: Ultimatum
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2011, 10:05:16 pm »
graph, anyone can join a channel that's +m. You just can't speak unless you're +v (voiced), +o (op'd), or both. ;) You might be confusing it with +i (invite-only) or +k (channel key set).
+m is fine with me. The order for offenders would then be warn, -v (devoice), and kick/ban. A second channel only if necessary, IMO (though it just might be, and Eeems's idea sounds all right).
As for momrocker's link, DJ's ban seemed a bit early, and the warnings to momrocker seemed nonexistent. Maybe we could have tried to explain things a bit more? (Though I think we're still on a no-warn policy :/) Before anyone takes my post in the wrong light, I'm not necessarily supporting momrocker. Not sure who to support, really, (presumably DJ and everyone), because I haven't been here for a while :(
So, TL;DR, Graph, look up; Eeems's idea sounds nice; I'm not sure about what to do with momrocker; and I need to be here more often.
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Re: Ultimatum
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2011, 10:07:53 pm »
Well, something we could do is only voice established users, but then that would be a pain to manage with all the dynamic IPs...

And yeah we're on the no warn policy atm. Anyway from momrocker's emails I think we no longer need to bother trying to explain him the ban reason. He proved in his response to be a person that simply doesn't belong on Omnimaga. Just putting it on his site, especially the libelous part about the ban reason and name calling, already started to show it.

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Re: Ultimatum
« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2011, 10:07:57 pm »
right, but I'm saying if someone didn't want to constantly voice, there should be a bot who handles voicing known users.

EDIT: Way to ninja.
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Re: Ultimatum
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2011, 10:09:40 pm »
Yeah but we already tried that, to no avail. People don,t bother to ident and stuff.

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Re: Ultimatum
« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2011, 10:10:03 pm »
Ah, right. Well, there's normally an op around, at least.
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Re: Ultimatum
« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2011, 10:14:36 pm »
I agree with calcdude on that normally, momrocker shouldn't have been banned that early, but since we're stricter now...  But after reading his emails and his site and whatnot, he's just showing more of his true colors...  He's seems to disagree with anything thats not his way.  :(
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Re: Ultimatum
« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2011, 10:15:45 pm »
Yeah but we already tried that, to no avail. People don,t bother to ident and stuff.
I would ident if I know my netbot45 password...

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Re: Ultimatum
« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2011, 10:16:50 pm »
Indeed. What a shame... :( Hopefully he can keep himself together when he posts on here, if he ever does...
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