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Re: nSpiKx - TI-nSpire emulator for Mac os x (Cocoa)
« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2012, 02:28:44 am »
My Christmas gift for TI-nspire mac users. A simple Usb Explorer (but already alive and kicking).  :)



Have a nice holiday,
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Re: nSpiKx - TI-nSpire emulator for Mac os x (Cocoa)
« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2012, 06:33:43 am »
I can't help but think that a much better Christmas gift, for the community, would be you releasing, at long last, the sources of your dead nspire_emu forks, which do bring some user-level features (we've always acknowledged that), but are harmful to the community at large.
Indeed, newer nspire_emu versions (with GDB support, Nspire CAS+ support, etc. - the diff since nspire_emu_060 has thousands of lines !) are effectively being withheld from the public until you do, so that you can't pull the closed-source fork trick twice, and thereby expand the duration of the suboptimal situation you've created for even longer.

I'm aware that this message sounds aggressive - but previous gentle repeated attempts to make you behave in a way that goes towards the community's best interests have failed so far, so we're trying other ways to convey our message.
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Re: nSpiKx - TI-nSpire emulator for Mac os x (Cocoa)
« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2012, 07:29:44 am »
Thanks, that quite awesome :)


(But yeah, the source code there is even more interesting now !)

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Re: nSpiKx - TI-nSpire emulator for Mac os x (Cocoa)
« Reply #18 on: December 21, 2012, 10:03:56 am »
Many thanks to all for the appreciation of my hard work! I even get negative points, whereas the commentators get a lot of positive points. So, it's quite an opportunity for the bad-mouthers! Good for them. Do you have a mirror at home? What about if I have a complete different opinion? I mean, they are simply wrong! Is that not allowed around here? I'm so sorry. Never mind, i still wish some of you a great Christmas season!

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Re: nSpiKx - TI-nSpire emulator for Mac os x (Cocoa)
« Reply #19 on: December 21, 2012, 10:10:13 am »
The problem is not your hard work; it's the counter-productive and harmful way you're doing it. It's a bad thing that you don't feel like acting (which would be pretty easy) to fix your wrong ways, for the benefit of the community.
Nobody in their right mind can do anything but strongly advise against using your dead, harmful forks - until you release the sources, that is.
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Re: nSpiKx - TI-nSpire emulator for Mac os x (Cocoa)
« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2012, 10:18:28 am »
That's your opinion, with which i disagree totally. The downloads' count of kArmTI and even of nSpiKx tell a different story. What about that?

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Re: nSpiKx - TI-nSpire emulator for Mac os x (Cocoa)
« Reply #21 on: December 21, 2012, 10:20:03 am »
With source code programs evolve rapidly...

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Re: nSpiKx - TI-nSpire emulator for Mac os x (Cocoa)
« Reply #22 on: December 21, 2012, 10:23:10 am »
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The downloads' count of kArmTI and even of nSpiKx tell a different story. What about that?
If people are silly enough to download your outdated versions, it's their loss. Anyhow, it does not make you right for your egregious abuse of open source software and for the resulting harm to a community.
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Re: nSpiKx - TI-nSpire emulator for Mac os x (Cocoa)
« Reply #23 on: December 21, 2012, 10:53:55 am »
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The downloads' count of kArmTI and even of nSpiKx tell a different story. What about that?
If people are silly enough to download your outdated versions, it's their loss. Anyhow, it does not make you right for your egregious abuse of open source software and for the resulting harm to a community.
The only story the download count tells is that there are a lot of people like me who don't manage to set up nspire_emu, and had to choose karmTI (which is not a real choice, but a default choice) and not, as Lionel said, that there are stupid people out there.

Now, what do we all want ? The best emulator. nspire_emu has features, karmTI has features, why do you have to impose a choice to people ? Why not just use the latest version of nspire_emu ? And if you don't want to use it, why not letting others do it ? I am sure that if your emu supported the last version (open source or not, but at least not outdated), the download count you seem to care a lot about would be a lot higher.

Here was the opinion of someone who would like to chose karmTI and regrets not being able to have all the new features of nspire_emu.
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Re: nSpiKx - TI-nSpire emulator for Mac os x (Cocoa)
« Reply #24 on: December 21, 2012, 12:08:19 pm »
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The downloads' count of kArmTI and even of nSpiKx tell a different story. What about that?
If people are silly enough to download your outdated versions, it's their loss. Anyhow, it does not make you right for your egregious abuse of open source software and for the resulting harm to a community.
What license is nspire_emu under? If the license says he can keep his forks closed source if he wants, then stop pressuring him. If it says that it has to be open source, then go ahead, but please take the pressure off the forums. You have made your point.

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Re: nSpiKx - TI-nSpire emulator for Mac os x (Cocoa)
« Reply #25 on: December 21, 2012, 12:38:56 pm »
I agree with Eeems. Even though I agree with Lionel, Lionel has made his point clear at least 7 or 8 times already (many times in a polite way). If SpiroH wants to do what he wants, then it's useless to continue this argument. I myself have given up by now. Instead, you better ignore him and his projects. Plus continuing too much will make Omni look like it supports harrassment. On the other hand, maybe Omni needs to regulate which kind of closed source project is allowed on the forums, but that would be hard to enforce.

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Re: nSpiKx - TI-nSpire emulator for Mac os x (Cocoa)
« Reply #26 on: December 21, 2012, 04:00:33 pm »
I've never expressed myself clearly about this problem.


If we sum up things, we have a developper who does benefit from the work of others (open-source).
But no developper can benefit from his own work, as he turned open-source into closed-source, which is a total heresy to me.

I've been in the TI community for years (less than DJ_O or Lionel Debroux though), I could see many things, many projects start and die.

Why is VirtualTI dead today for example, although it was a reference years ago? Because it was closed-source, and because the authors stopped updating it.

Why was nDoom updated to a color version although Mrakoplatz left? Because he shared his work on the source code.


This behaviour here has nothing to do in the TI community, but might be welcome in other communities.
When you benefit from the work of others which is freely available, sharing your modifications/improvements is just showing respect towards the authors.



This was my own opinion - I won't bother you again with that.
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Re: nSpiKx - TI-nSpire emulator for Mac os x (Cocoa)
« Reply #27 on: December 21, 2012, 05:20:20 pm »
I agree with last posters.

In my humble opinion, basing your closed-source work on someone's open-source work is not respectful.
Why would you act this way ? If you are afraid that someone could steal your work, there are licenses to prevent that.
And indeed, this would make your project last longer, even if you stop updating it.

I can't see negative effects, so I don't understand.
But off course, this is your choice...

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Re: nSpiKx - TI-nSpire emulator for Mac os x (Cocoa)
« Reply #28 on: December 21, 2012, 05:26:35 pm »
Everyone is entitled to have an opinion, I have no problems with that, whatsoever.

I've been in programming world for more 30 years now, so i've seen a lot too...
I'm not benefiting from other people's code at all simply because i use an alias, SpiroH is not real name. On the other hand, other people (not developers directly, i agree!) are benefiting from my own developing work.

My idea has always been from the very beginning to provide an easier access to the emulator the less tech savvy young students. If that has been misunderstood, i'm sorry. Furthermore, I did not know this forum was 'reserved' for open-source software.

Right now, I'm really considering whether or not i should simply go away, because my 'bad behaviour' is not considered acceptable in this forum. It's very easy to notice and curious that the 'bad reviews' always come from the same group of people, though. Yeah, i'm getting far too much disappointment and annoyance and i have also other important stuff to take care of. I'm stopping here because this discussion will certainly lead nowhere, yet again.

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Re: nSpiKx - TI-nSpire emulator for Mac os x (Cocoa)
« Reply #29 on: December 21, 2012, 05:35:27 pm »
This forum is not reserved for open source software. It does not state that anywhere in our mission statement, our rules or any release made by the admins, myself included. I would ask you not to leave due to a few being very vocal about you not being open source. Since people have not gotten the message that this is something that should not be pushed in a public place, the next person to downtalk someone for their choice on if they release their source code gets a 1 day temp ban.
The issue that you took open source software and made a closed source fork of it is there, but that is your choice. The only time it becomes someone elses issue is if it is against the license for what you forked your project from. I don't even know what license the original is under so I can't say for sure. So if someone could let me know what license the original is under we can end this discussion once and for all on if you should or should not release your source.